| dagenham_dick |
Apologies if this has come up before.
Reading Paul Canovile’s autobiography at the mo. he mentions the dogs abuse he got (from his own fans) on his Debut against Palace in 1982. And it got me wondering who was Palaces first Black Player? I can only think back as far Vince Hilaire. |
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| Harry Bassett |
Tony Collins.
It was the most disgraceful display of rascism i have ever witnessed. |
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| chav_hater |
quote:
Originally posted by Harry Bassett
Tony Collins.
It was the most disgraceful display of rascism i have ever witnessed.
What year would that have been? |
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| dagenham_dick |
| 12 April 1982 |
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| Panther |
Tony Collins was just before my time. I think the first black player I remember at Palace was probably Mark Lindsay, which would have been in the Malcolm Allison era.
I remember going to watch Charlton play Cardiff in the 50s and Cardiff had a black player called Steve Mokone or similar. Don't remember him being abused; at that time it was more a source of curiosity/novelty. |
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| calne eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by dagenham_dick
Apologies if this has come up before.
Reading Paul Canovile’s autobiography at the mo. he mentions the dogs abuse he got (from his own fans) on his Debut against Palace in 1982.
It was appalling. I was in the Arthur that day. Paul Canoville came on as a sub, and the Chelscum were chanting 'We don't want no nigger' :( |
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| sydnsteve |
quote:
Originally posted by calne eagle
It was appalling. I was in the Arthur that day. Paul Canoville came on as a sub, and the Chelscum were chanting 'We don't want no nigger' :(
They always have nhad a fair number of scum supporters. I don't suppose they go now, with their present squad being as it is.
Mind you, not all their present team seem to be colour blind. |
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| Strictly Palace |
| This has stuck with me all my life. Having started watching Palace and being enthralled by Vince Hilaire, I was gobsmacked by the abuse Canoville got that day. For me Chelsea have and always will be scum. |
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| chatham_eagle |
Stuart Butler - Thanks Paul (For Paul Cannoville)
When the Windrush docked at Tilbury,
In that post-war world of austerity,
And furtive glances from behind net curtains,
Men in 50 shilling suits from Burtons,
You knew about the smoke and fog,
But not "No Blacks, Irish or dogs",
And like noble trees in a rushing wind,
You faced that choice - to stand, or bend.
Your children too had to trudge uphill,
Like the 20 year old Paul Cannoville;
Selhurst Park, nervous, standing on the line,
Waiting to run on for the very first time,
When all around came the boos and chants,
From all 4 sides came the racist rants,
But not from supporters of Crystal Palace,
It was Chelsea fans screaming their malice,
So what could you do, Paul? Stand or bend?
For a Palace fan in the Palace end
Said "This is still the most vile thing I have seen
At a football match. I will never forget it."
The Sieg Heil salutes, arms outstretched,
The monkey chants and banana skin threats,
But you stood firm Paul, you would not fall,
Poised and ready to move to the ball,
One hand open, one hand clenched,
Eyes scanning the game and the football pitch,
Changing the future and finding the past,
By catching the wind of the racialists' blast,
And catching it there right in your fine hands,
And blowing it high, right over the stands,
And changing the future and finding the past,
Ensuring injustice cannot ever-last,
And catching it there right in your fine hands,
And blowing it high, right over the stands,
And changing the future and finding the past,
Ensuring injustice cannot ever-last -
For tomorrow no longer belongs to them,
It now belongs to us all. Thank you, Paul. |
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| Levski |
quote:
Originally posted by Harry Bassett
Tony Collins.
It was the most disgraceful display of rascism i have ever witnessed.
This was well before me time, and I'm a bit confused about this thread. Can you fill us in? Was Tony Collins abused by Palace fans when he played for us? |
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| calne eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by chatham_eagle
Stuart Butler - Thanks Paul (For Paul Cannoville)
When the Windrush docked at Tilbury,
In that post-war world of austerity,
And furtive glances from behind net curtains,
Men in 50 shilling suits from Burtons,
You knew about the smoke and fog,
But not "No Blacks, Irish or dogs",
And like noble trees in a rushing wind,
You faced that choice - to stand, or bend.
Your children too had to trudge uphill,
Like the 20 year old Paul Cannoville;
Selhurst Park, nervous, standing on the line,
Waiting to run on for the very first time,
When all around came the boos and chants,
From all 4 sides came the racist rants,
But not from supporters of Crystal Palace,
It was Chelsea fans screaming their malice,
So what could you do, Paul? Stand or bend?
For a Palace fan in the Palace end
Said "This is still the most vile thing I have seen
At a football match. I will never forget it."
The Sieg Heil salutes, arms outstretched,
The monkey chants and banana skin threats,
But you stood firm Paul, you would not fall,
Poised and ready to move to the ball,
One hand open, one hand clenched,
Eyes scanning the game and the football pitch,
Changing the future and finding the past,
By catching the wind of the racialists' blast,
And catching it there right in your fine hands,
And blowing it high, right over the stands,
And changing the future and finding the past,
Ensuring injustice cannot ever-last,
And catching it there right in your fine hands,
And blowing it high, right over the stands,
And changing the future and finding the past,
Ensuring injustice cannot ever-last -
For tomorrow no longer belongs to them,
It now belongs to us all. Thank you, Paul.
That's magnificent.
Is that one of big bad John's, or your's?
Either way, top notch :p |
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| chatham_eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by calne eagle
That's magnificent.
Is that one of big bad John's, or your's?
Either way, top notch :p
Hehe I wish, no it's one of Paul Butler's from www.footballpoets.org, No idea who he supports.
:p |
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| ElwissAtMemphis |
Mark Lindsay pre-dates Vince Hilaire but was obviously a long time after Tony Collins. Canoville's appearance at Selhurst has almost become an iconic moment in footballing history; it's refered to in The Football Factory (the just about tolerable book, not the execrable film of the same title).
It wasn't that unusual an event at the time. I watched the Big Match Revisited yesterday which featured a top-of-the-table Division 2 clash between Fulham and Leicester at Craven Cottage almost exactly 25 years ago. There was a big away following for Leicester and you could clearly hear the booing and monkey chants for the only black player on the pitch; Fulham's Paul Parker, who ironically would go on to be one of the best players of England's 1990 World Cup Semi-Final campaign. It was clear as anything so obviously there was no attempt to edit it out and not so much as a mention from the commentator. |
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| Palacemad2002 |
quote:
Originally posted by Strictly Palace
This has stuck with me all my life. Having started watching Palace and being enthralled by Vince Hilaire, I was gobsmacked by the abuse Canoville got that day. For me Chelsea have and always will be scum.
Im probably biased in my next comments as ive always hated Chelsea but it's mainly because i have always seen sections of there loyal aswell as glory hunting support as facist loving scummers.
Chelsea fans boast strong connections with the political Rangers element as well as connections with Northern ireland.
Dont get me wrong, i know Chelsea fans who are really decent people and Im not saying all other clubs are good as gold but ive always come Chelsea fans that are either chavs, friday night wannabee wide boys or racists more than supporters of any other club. |
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| A Wooden Fish On Wheels |
quote:
Originally posted by chatham_eagle
The Sieg Heil salutes, arms outstretched,
The monkey chants and banana skin threats
But you stood firm Paul, you would not fall
Banana skin threats? Eh? |
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| A Wooden Fish On Wheels |
quote:
Originally posted by Palacemad2002
glory hunting support as facist loving scummers.
Chelsea fans boast strong connections with the political Rangers element as well as connections with Northern ireland.
Yep. Combat 18 etc. etc. What I hate is the way people who think they are 'hard' choose Chelsea because is goes along with the image. |
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| eaglejez |
quote:
Originally posted by Harry Bassett
Tony Collins.
It was the most disgraceful display of rascism i have ever witnessed.
yep - worst day ever for me at footie. Three quarters of the ground (including the Holmesdale) seemed to be Chelsea and there was a mass seig heil when he came on. Disgusting.
I remember my mate saying lets not say much until Chelsea score and we'll see how many are Chelsea fans around us. Walker scores and the whole of the Holmesdale celebrated !. Also remember a few Palace fans in the Arfur doing the old '"P", "A", "L".....before they got attacked from all sides. Pretty horrific but actually looked like synchronised dancing from a distance !
:) |
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| A Wooden Fish On Wheels |
| PS: <Ahem> This thread should really be in Memory Lane not General Palace Discussion. |
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| TC EAGLE |
| Ricky Heppolette was the earliest black player I can remember, think we got him from Orient. |
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| El Aguila |
quote:
Originally posted by eaglejez
yep - worst day ever for me at footie. Three quarters of the ground (including the Holmesdale) seemed to be Chelsea and there was a mass seig heil when he came on. Disgusting.
I remember my mate saying lets not say much until Chelsea score and we'll see how many are Chelsea fans around us. Walker scores and the whole of the Holmesdale celebrated !. Also remember a few Palace fans in the Arfur doing the old '"P", "A", "L".....before they got attacked from all sides. Pretty horrific but actually looked like synchronised dancing from a distance !
:)
I was in the Whitehorse Lane end and that was the safest place to be, I think. |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by TC EAGLE
Ricky Heppolette was the earliest black player I can remember, think we got him from Orient.
Ricky was one of the first English League players from the Asian continent. Born in Calcutta.
Check out this months 4-4-2 for a pic of Malcolm Beason, from 'Hy On Palace', who never quite made it but came through the same Youth Team as Jimbo and Fish et al.
There was also a black player in a mid-late 60's team squad...anyone got a name?
Mark 'Jaws' Lindsay equally never quite made the cut and is now in Miami, Florida.
Everton for a long time didn't have a black player and Barnes was once festooned with bananas by Toffees (still comparatively recent history). |
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| Buglebob |
| Slightly off topic, I was fortunate to be at Wembley when Viv Anderson made his debut for England as the first black player to play for the national team. The press had their collective pencils poised ready to report on the racist abuse they expected him to receive. ****ed them right up when he was cheered to the rafters. |
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| waddoneagle |
| Chelsea 100% •••••, Had to say that:p |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by Buglebob
Slightly off topic, I was fortunate to be at Wembley when Viv Anderson made his debut for England as the first black player to play for the national team. The press had their collective pencil's poised ready to report on the racist abuse they expected him to receive. ****ed them right up when he was cheered to the rafters.
Was there too. Vs Czechoslovakia. Won 1-0 and really my only memory of the game was seeing big Viv at close quarters (was on the wooden benches right at the front alongside the pitch) who played an excellent game that night.
Still the all time classic England kit too - for me. :D |
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| SA Eagle |
That was a horrible day. Chelsea everywhere picking off Palace fans at will. The bus back to Addington was full of the bastards.
One thing I do remember though, is that the person I was with broke their wrist after one bout of fighting & we had to go to a first aid hut at the back of the Holmesdale, having to walk from the Arthur up the staircase between compounds 2 & 3.
Weirdly the Chelsea at the bottom of Compound 3 were chanting "get him off etc etc" but there was a largish group of Chelsea towards the back chanting "keep him on.." I was later told by others that there were skirmishes between groups of Chelsea fans over differences about whether "a coon" should be playing for them |
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| stamford triumph |
quote:
Originally posted by Buglebob
Slightly off topic, I was fortunate to be at Wembley when Viv Anderson made his debut for England as the first black player to play for the national team. The press had their collective pencil's poised ready to report on the racist abuse they expected him to receive. ****ed them right up when he was cheered to the rafters.
Yeah but that certainly wasn't the case when Ian Wright made his debut for England some years later. I moved to at least three different parts of Wembley to get away from the racist abuse but just couldn't.
Back on topic, the Canoville incident has always come back to me too whenever we have played Chelsea - it really made me question whether I really wanted to go to football - the early eighties were pretty horrible as a Palace or any other supporter. |
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| SexualChocolate |
quote:
Originally posted by BBD
Everton for a long time didn't have a black player and Barnes was once festooned with bananas by Toffees (still comparatively recent history).
I think Earl Barrett was their first black player in about 92? Either him or Daniel Amokachi.
I remember the bananas, they used to sell inflatable bananas outside the grounds. My first Palace game was vs Southampton at The Dell (in 89 i think?). I had no idea what the banana's signified at the time, and asked my Dad to buy me one before the game. Bless him, he just politely told me that it wouldn't be a good idea, but said nothing more so it didn't ruin my day. It was only when i got into my teenage years when someone chucked a banana at me that it clicked why. |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by SexualChocolate
I remember the bananas, they used to sell inflatable bananas outside the grounds. My first Palace game was vs Southampton at The Dell (in 89 i think?). I had no idea what the banana's signified at the time, and asked my Dad to buy me one before the game. Bless him, he just politely told me that it wouldn't be a good idea, but said nothing more so it didn't ruin my day. It was only when i got into my teenage years when someone chucked a banana at me that it clicked why.
The fyffes banana 'craze' started at Man City when some studious citizen transmogrified Imre Varadi's name into Imre Banana for reasons I won't go into here, for younger eyes 'listening'.
We took it on wholeheartedly. From the bleak days of the early 80's it was loosely tied to efforts through the fanzine culture / Leeds fans' against racism and later Kick Racism out of Football / the I.D. card legislature protests that the present 'modern' game evolved from.
I think at one point we must have held the record for number of black players (regularly) in the side. The Noades 'Black Britain' stitch up was basically the beginning of the end for Ron. We never did recover from losing Ian Wright and, rightly or wrongly, this programme paved the way for the wider public perception that Arsenal were a model Club for race relations and we were poor, despite our record of bringing black youngsters consistently through the ranks and theirs for having an all white cartoon crowd for the North Bank mural whilst the stand was under construction. (Surely ATOT...any links, anyone?) |
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| James |
I remember Clyde Best playing for West Ham at Selhurst in the early 1970's and coming in for sustained abuse from all sides.
... and there are people who think that things today are worse than they have ever been. Amazing. |
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| CP Satellite |
Here's a Palace squad photo from circa 1965 - note sure of all the players - the player in the middle of the back row is not Tony Collins - perhaps one of our older fans can identify him?
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| AJ |
| I don't wish to burst anyone's morality bubbles, but, Palace are not immune to racist remarks towards their own players. I recall on many occasions, unacceptable remarks made towards players as recent as Ian Wright and Andy Gray. |
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| Timbo |
| Tut tut...According to some people on another thread you are not allowed to notice the colour of a player's skin................. |
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| chatham_eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ
...Ian Wright and Andy Gray.
They were black...? Well bugger me sideways. |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ
I don't wish to burst anyone's morality bubbles, but, Palace are not immune to racist remarks towards their own players. I recall on many occasions, unacceptable remarks made towards players as recent as Ian Wright and Andy Gray.
moufy & fatty :D :o :)
As for CP S's excellent pic...that's the dude I was referring to. Still not sure of his name, but in the 2nd Row are
Jess Willard (Trainer), Chris Hassell (Secretary), Bert Head (Manager), ??? any ideas anyone, Arthur Wait (Chairman), Victor Ercolani (Director), Arthur Rowe (Director of Football?! - what was his post by '65) and George Petchey (Coach).
and BTW, Vince Hilaire LOVES the:
Brown boy on the wing, tune! :lux: |
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| StevePlus |
Before he joined us, Mark Lazarus appeared for QPR against us, and was met by chants of "Yid, Yid, Yid", which was a bit depressing. He was rather unpopular with opposing supporters at the best of times, as he could get a bit violent.
I think that the unknown guy in the picture above is a director called Shrager. |
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| Vultur |
| I was at the Palace – Chelsea game in 1982 when Canoville made his debut for Chelsea. I was sitting in the Main Stand with a friend of mine and his elderly father (both Chelsea fans) and a few of my Palace mates (you could do things like that in those days). When Canoville came on as a sub, some Neanderthal Chelsea fan a few seats to our left leapt up and shouted out “F*cking ‘ell, Chelsea! Keep it white!” I never forgot that – it was shocking to me and (I like to think) most of the Palace fans there (and my Chelsea-supporting mate and his dad, to be fair). Remember, we’d had Vince Hilaire in our team since the late ‘70s and he was playing that day, I recall. I don’t suppose we’re perfect as a set of fans but the high regard in which VH was generally held meant that we were pretty colour blind as football fans went. I used to stand on the Holmesdale in those days (not when Chelsea were in town, though!) and I don’t remember us racially abusing players. The real irony was that, whilst Canoville was a professional athlete and, indeed, a decent player, the mouthy Chelsea fan was a tub of lard who looked like he lived on lager and chips, with bad skin, lank hair and pictures up his arms. A really fine specimen of white supremacist English manhood! I wonder what he makes of Drogba? |
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| SexualChocolate |
quote:
Originally posted by Vultur
I wonder what he makes of Drogba?
They're really inventive with Drogba, they call him 'Drogwog' according to a Chelski fan i know.
Scum •••••. |
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| Sussex Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by James
... and there are people who think that things today are worse than they have ever been.
Really? Who? |
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| East-End Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by Vultur
I was at the Palace – Chelsea game in 1982 when Canoville made his debut for Chelsea. I was sitting in the Main Stand with a friend of mine and his elderly father (both Chelsea fans) and a few of my Palace mates (you could do things like that in those days). When Canoville came on as a sub, some Neanderthal Chelsea fan a few seats to our left leapt up and shouted out “F*cking ‘ell, Chelsea! Keep it white!” I never forgot that – it was shocking to me and (I like to think) most of the Palace fans there (and my Chelsea-supporting mate and his dad, to be fair). Remember, we’d had Vince Hilaire in our team since the late ‘70s and he was playing that day, I recall. I don’t suppose we’re perfect as a set of fans but the high regard in which VH was generally held meant that we were pretty colour blind as football fans went. I used to stand on the Holmesdale in those days (not when Chelsea were in town, though!) and I don’t remember us racially abusing players. The real irony was that, whilst Canoville was a professional athlete and, indeed, a decent player, the mouthy Chelsea fan was a tub of lard who looked like he lived on lager and chips, with bad skin, lank hair and pictures up his arms. A really fine specimen of white supremacist English manhood! I wonder what he makes of Drogba?
Very interesting, thanks. I find it hard to belive that this was in 1982, shocking stuff really.
As you say I bet this fine specimen cheers on Chelsea players now...
THe world would be a better place without his sort. |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by Vultur
I was at the Palace – Chelsea game in 1982 when Canoville made his debut for Chelsea. I was sitting in the Main Stand with a friend of mine and his elderly father (both Chelsea fans) and a few of my Palace mates (you could do things like that in those days). When Canoville came on as a sub, some Neanderthal Chelsea fan a few seats to our left leapt up and shouted out “F*cking ‘ell, Chelsea! Keep it white!” I never forgot that – it was shocking to me and (I like to think) most of the Palace fans there (and my Chelsea-supporting mate and his dad, to be fair). Remember, we’d had Vince Hilaire in our team since the late ‘70s and he was playing that day, I recall. I don’t suppose we’re perfect as a set of fans but the high regard in which VH was generally held meant that we were pretty colour blind as football fans went. I used to stand on the Holmesdale in those days (not when Chelsea were in town, though!) and I don’t remember us racially abusing players. The real irony was that, whilst Canoville was a professional athlete and, indeed, a decent player, the mouthy Chelsea fan was a tub of lard who looked like he lived on lager and chips, with bad skin, lank hair and pictures up his arms. A really fine specimen of white supremacist English manhood! I wonder what he makes of Drogba?
Someone please copy and send to Master Victor Moses Esq. c/o Selhurst Park, London SE25 5EN. |
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| delboy01 |
quote:
Originally posted by BBD
Someone please copy and send to Master Victor Moses Esq. c/o Selhurst Park, London SE25 5EN.
And sinclair and bostock. |
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| ElwissAtMemphis |
quote:
Originally posted by Buglebob
Slightly off topic, I was fortunate to be at Wembley when Viv Anderson made his debut for England as the first black player to play for the national team. The press had their collective pencil's poised ready to report on the racist abuse they expected him to receive. ****ed them right up when he was cheered to the rafters.
I remember Viv Anderson being lauded as the "first black player to play for England" at the time, however he was beaten to it by Paul Reaney of Leeds United by over 10 years.
Reaney was mixed race, but just because he happened to look a lot more white than black, he was strangely forgotten for that accolade but he was just as "black" as Rio Ferdinand or Ashley Cole (and just as white as them too) both of whom get categorized as black nowadays so it's strange that Reaney has been largely ignored. |
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| jookbeard |
| Got a black mate who supports the Chav scum but never spoke about Cannonville, did the other black CFC players receive abuse as well? Keith Dublin, Keith Jones etc? |
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| big bad John |
quote:
Originally posted by CP Satellite
Here's a Palace squad photo from circa 1965 - note sure of all the players - the player in the middle of the back row is not Tony Collins - perhaps one of our older fans can identify him?
Andy McBride, a Kenyan who I believe only played once or twice for the first team. |
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| big bad John |
quote:
Originally posted by chatham_eagle
Hehe I wish, no it's one of Paul Butler's from www.footballpoets.org, No idea who he supports.
:p
Stuart Butler is a Swindon man who now lives in Stroud. He's related to Don Rogers through marriage. |
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| ian king |
quote:
Originally posted by CP Satellite
Here's a Palace squad photo from circa 1965 - note sure of all the players - the player in the middle of the back row is not Tony Collins - perhaps one of our older fans can identify him?
It's Chick Maynard who was born in British Guyana and joined
Palace from Hounslow in March 1966.
He played 30 times for the Reserves in 1966/7 but was then released
by the club. |
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| cranesparkeagle |
| Assuming we all had one, how strong was our racist element in those days. The big thing now is that we have now had so many heroes among our black players that we would be completely hypocritical if we gave ANY black player racist abuse |
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| big bad John |
quote:
Originally posted by ian king
It's Chick Maynard who was born in British Guyana and joined
Palace from Hounslow in March 1966.
He played 30 times for the Reserves in 1966/7 but was then released
by the club.
I stand corrected then Ian. I just assumed it was Andy McBride who I never saw play but knew was born in Kenya. Just looked it up and McBride didn't sign for us until 71. |
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| eastern eagle |
I always remeber Tony Collins as quite light skinned, maybe carribean-asian.
My only memeory of him playing was away to Ashford in the cup around 1958. I think he scored direct from a corner in the last minute for a 1-0 win. I also remember it was the first round and was one of the hottest days of the year.
Ah! sweet memories of innocence and maximum wages!! |
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| Levski |
Times change, yet times stay the same. I clearly heard some Hull fans chanting 'You're not English any more' to the Palace fans today. Unless I got the wrong end of the stick I presume this is a reference to the black players in the side.
I also noted several Scottish Hull fans around the place, banging on about teh whole Rangers-Celtic shite, and a 'no surrender to the IRA' chant went up at one point. I'd hoped I'd seen the end of this bigotry and racism.
Clearly its nowhere near as bad as it used to be, but you don't have to look far to see bits of this rubbish around. |
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| Sam Spade |
| Always had a real admiration for Louis Saha who got terrible racist grief from some of our finest in the front row of the main stand at a Fulham game a few years ago. He was warming up as sub and receiving some intimidating verbal when he managed to locate exactly where it was coming from. He promptly went directly to his detractors,put his foot on the advertising hoarding and undid and then ever so slowly retied his boots whilst all the time glaring eye ball to eye ball with his tormentors. They soon shut it. Top man. |
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| SexualChocolate |
quote:
Originally posted by Levski
....I clearly heard some Hull fans chanting 'You're not English any more' to the Palace fans today.....
Ahem. Okocha, Pedersen, anyone? |
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| telodaja |
| The picture quality is pretty poor, but I think Tony Collins is third from left in the middle row. |
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| Nelson Muntz |
quote:
Originally posted by BBD
??? any ideas anyone,
Robbie from the Box Office? |
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| eastern eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by telodaja
The picture quality is pretty poor, but I think Tony Collins is third from left in the middle row.
Wow. Didn't know we had so many coloured players back then!! |
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| telodaja |
quote:
Originally posted by eastern eagle
Wow. Didn't know we had so many coloured players back then!!
Did say the quality was poor !:o |
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| telodaja |
I think this is a fairly comprehensive list
App Gls
Adebola Dele 48 7
Akinbiyi Ade 28 3
Andrews Wayne 40 1
Annon Mark 2 0
Antwi Will 7 0
Armstrong Chris 136 57
Ashton Nathan 1 0
Bailey Dennis 5 1
Barnes Andy 1 0
Benjamin Trevor 6 1
Bent Marcus 31 5
Berry Tyrone 3 0
Bostock John 5 0
Bowry Bobby 60 1
Boyce Emmerson 77 2
Bright Mark 281 111
Burton Sagi 28 1
Cole Ashley 14 1
Collins Tony 63 16
Collymore Stan 25 2
Cort Leon 50 8
Cox Ian 18 1
Cyrus Andy 1 0
Danns Neil 4 0
Dyer Alex 27 5
Dyer Bruce 159 40
Fashanu John 2 0
Finnigan Tony 118 10
Fleming Curtis 49 0
Fray Aaron 2 0
Fuller Ricardo 8 0
Galloway Steve 6 1
Gordon Dean 242 23
Grabban Lewis 13 1
Gray Andy 242 51
Gray Julian 143 13
Hall Fitz 81 3
Hall Ryan 2 0
Harris Jason 4 0
Harris Richard 13 0
Hedman Rudi 26 0
Heeroo Gavin 1 0
Heppolette Ricky 18 0
Hilaire Vince 293 36
Hughton Henry 140 1
Ifill Paul 26 4
Ismael Valerian 16 0
Kabba Steve 11 1
Kudjodji Ben 1 0
Leigertwood Mikele 67 1
Lindsay Mark 36 1
Matthew Damian 28 1
McAnuff Jobi 84 14
McKenzie Leon 97 8
Morrison Clinton 313 112
Mortimer Paul 27 2
Moses Victor 13 2
Mullins Hayden 257 20
Ndah George 100 11
O'Connor Martyn 4 0
Phelan Terry 14 0
Powell Chris 5 0
Powell Darren 72 4
Preece Andy 31 5
Reid Kyel 2 0
Robinson Ashley 6 0
Routledge Wayne 123 11
Salako John 273 34
Scannell Sean 23 2
Sealy Tony 27 5
Shaw Richard 266 3
Sinclair Scott 5 1
Soares Tom 154 10
Songo'o Franck 9 0
Spence Lewwis 3 0
Thompson Garry 22 4
Whyte Chris 17 0
Whyte David 38 6
Williams Paul 53 10
Wright Ian 278 117
Young Eric 204 17 |
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| ian king |
quote:
Originally posted by telodaja
The picture quality is pretty poor, but I think Tony Collins is third from left in the middle row.
The pic comes from the 1959-60 handbook and third from left in middle row is Brian Collins (no relation!). Tony Collins had left CP by then and I am looking to see if I can find a pic of him.
Tony signed from Watford in November 1957 and left at the end of the 1958-59 season. In June 1959 he joined Rochdale and was also their manager from 1960-68. He was back at Selhurst Park a couple of years ago so is still in contact. |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by telodaja
Barnes Andy 1 0
How bizarre. I could have sworn he was white when he played half the match for us at QPR |
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| telodaja |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
How bizarre. I could have sworn he was white when he played half the match for us at QPR
Didn't go to the game, but I am sure I saw a photo in a programme that was supposed to be of him. Mind you I could just be going senile. I am sure someone will prove one of us correct. :) |
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| calne eagle |
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Originally posted by telodaja
I think this is a fairly comprehensive list
Heppolette Ricky 18 0
I think it only fair to point out that Ricky (who was indeed Anglo-Indian) scored at Lincoln. Unfortunately the game was abandoned in the second half due to a frozen pitch. And we were winning. And I was there. And we lost the replayed game 3-2 :( |
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| ian king |
quote:
Originally posted by telodaja
Didn't go to the game, but I am sure I saw a photo in a programme that was supposed to be of him. Mind you I could just be going senile. I am sure someone will prove one of us correct. :)
Andy Barnes was definitely 'white'. Have found a team photo for 1958-59 with Tony Collins. He is in the back row, second from left. |
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| BBD |
quote:
Originally posted by ian king
Have found a team photo for 1958-59 with Tony Collins. He is in the back row, second from left.
...with Miss Montague - the first female Football Club Secretary sitting next to George Smith.
Was Tony the first British post war black player? Though I doubt it, there can't have been many that preceded him. Sure some research must exist somewhere on this.
Excellent work teledoja. That makes 80 black players at palace. Again it must compare very favourably with almost any other Club. Let's make a virtue of this. We live in a multi cultural community. This surely is a selling point that the Club doesn't make nearly enough of. |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by BBD
...with Miss Montague - the first female Football Club Secretary sitting next to George Smith.
Was Tony the first British post war black player? Though I doubt it, there can't have been many that preceded him. Sure some research must exist somewhere on this.
Excellent work teledoja. That makes 80 black players at palace. Again it must compare very favourably with almost any other Club. Let's make a virtue of this. We live in a multi cultural community. This surely is a selling point that the Club doesn't make nearly enough of.
I remember in the late 80s there was a bit in the programme trying to encourage people to bring their black friends to Palace. A well intentioned piece, let down by it's use of the word "coloured" instead of black. |
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| Tom's Old Man |
| The first black Palace player I saw was Vince Hilaire, a class act who really should have achieved more. Played a big part in keeping us up for a couple of seasons in the early 80s, but even he was abused when he came back with Portsmouth. The Canoville match was truly atrocious, I couldn't believe it. Chelsea weren't the only club along those lines though, certainly Sunderland & Everton had racist elements. But they had a very vocal following, and took Selhurst over every time they came in that era, and the noise towards Canoville was heard all around the ground. |
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| ElwissAtMemphis |
Here's Paul Canoville talking about his early experiences on Football Focus. It only mentions his debut at Palace very briefly but it's got some interesting footage from that era ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/ne...106&bbcws=1 |
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| IanH |
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Originally posted by telodaja
Didn't go to the game, but I am sure I saw a photo in a programme that was supposed to be of him. Mind you I could just be going senile. I am sure someone will prove one of us correct. :)
Andy Barnes is indeed white. I knew him through a friend - he's a really nice guy, he just had really bad luck with injuries. |
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| telodaja |
| I stand corrected on Andy Barnes, the memory must be going even quicker than I thought ! |
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| big bad John |
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Originally posted by James
I remember Clyde Best playing for West Ham at Selhurst in the early 1970's and coming in for sustained abuse from all sides.
If you remember the old Alf Garnet series ' till death us do part' one of the episodes is Alf ( a Hammer fan) in the crowd at Upton park slinging all kinds of racial abuse at Clyde Best.
Remember in 71 a young black kid called Ade Coker making his debut for West Ham at Selhurst and scoring twice in a 3-0 win for the Hammers. He was going to be the next Pele but ended up playing most of career in the States. |
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| Tom's Old Man |
| I also remember Jim Cannon's Testimonial playing against a Vince Hilaire 'All Black' eleven. |
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| Sam Spade |
quote:
Originally posted by Tom's Old Man
I also remember Jim Cannon's Testimonial playing against a Vince Hilaire 'All Black' eleven.
Surely the All Blacks would have played with fifteen?:o
Coat........gone. |
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| ammiller |
quote:
Originally posted by Sam Spade
Surely the All Blacks would have played with fifteen?:o
Coat........gone.
Sam,
Do you beleve in calling a spade a spade? |
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| Sam Spade |
quote:
Originally posted by ammiller
Sam,
Do you beleve in calling a spade a spade?
Yes, but only because Bogart would not have tolerated a character called Freddy Fork. |
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| Nelson Muntz |
| There's a recent (ish) picture of Tony Collins in Hy Money's book. Page 378. |
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| Walter Wort |
I, too, was at that dreadful game, although for some reason I could have sworn it was '83. Never mind.
I was in the old stand, with loads of Chelsea fans around me. One bloke in particular I remember, an old geezer who looked like Tommy Docherty. His behaviour was nothing out of the ordinary, until Canoville came on, and he was up and standing on his seat with the rest of the filth, screeching "White team in London, the only white team in London".
I can't begin to imagine how Canoville must have felt. Having once had some respect for the Chelsea of Hudson and Hutchinson, I have loathed them ever since. |
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| Alf Noakes |
| Tony Collins it was. I think he came from Rochdale. He was a tricky and skilful left winger. I remember him scoring at the Whitehorse lane end direct from a corner. How old does that make me! |
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| Billy999999999 |
quote:
Originally posted by BBD
Ricky was one of the first English League players from the Asian continent. Born in Calcutta.
Check out this months 4-4-2 for a pic of Malcolm Beason, from 'Hy On Palace', who never quite made it but came through the same Youth Team as Jimbo and Fish et al.
There was also a black player in a mid-late 60's team squad...anyone got a name?
Mark 'Jaws' Lindsay equally never quite made the cut and is now in Miami, Florida.
Everton for a long time didn't have a black player and Barnes was once festooned with bananas by Toffees (still comparatively recent history).
Malcolm played 1 league game for Orient.Everton's only black player until modern times was a bloke called Cliff Marshall. |
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| Billy999999999 |
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Originally posted by big bad John
Andy McBride, a Kenyan who I believe only played once or twice for the first team.
Andy McBride though born in Kenya was really from the Croydon area.he played 1 first team game at Blackpool under Allison.
the bloke in the middle at the front is Ronnie Harland............... |
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| butch03 |
| i remember steve galloway and henry hughton |
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| Freddy Kurz |
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Originally posted by Levski
This was well before me time, and I'm a bit confused about this thread. Can you fill us in? Was Tony Collins abused by Palace fans when he played for us?
Never to my knowledge. |
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| Vultur |
quote:
Originally posted by Billy999999999
Andy McBride though born in Kenya was really from the Croydon area.he played 1 first team game at Blackpool under Allison.
the bloke in the middle at the front is Ronnie Harland...............
Many moons ago I was in the same class as Andy McBride at Archbishop Tenison's in Croydon. He was definitely white. |
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