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Palace reject Watson bid
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eagleforlife
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19...3628886,00.html
Abjekt
I was expecting it to be Boro or someone of similar stature. But no...
Dunny6
QPR? Why would he want to leave us to go there? If he does leave surely he can get a prem club.
Billyd
QPR....get real

as if in a million years that would be accepted
BW_Palace
1.25m?!
adonkis
didnt dowie learn at coventry that filling his team full of palace players isnt a wise move??
The Gerry Queen
Predictable move from Mr Predictable Dowie

No because Ben is central to our plans for next season

No because we wouldn't want to sell him and advantage a potential promotion rival

No because I doubt whether SJ would do business with Dowie ever again

No because he's not for sale - end of
thefox
quote:
Originally posted by Dunny6
QPR? Why would he want to leave us to go there? If he does leave surely he can get a prem club.


before i saw the aritcle i was going to say big wages , but based on a pathetic £1.25m offer i doubt they would be high .
SpikeyMatt
QPR will be fighting relegation next season. Mark my words.

Why on earth would Watson go there? £1.25m is laughable. Treble it.
UEAgle
Derisory
sw16girl
Stupidly small offer but you have to say that Dowie has picked a good player as a target this time. If Ben is going anyway I can't imagine it will be to QPR and certainly not for that amount of cash.
PJJY
Ben's one of the best midfielders in the division. That's a laughable offer.

Jason Koumas went to Wigan for £5million last summer from the Championship, we should be looking (if we have to sell him) for around that.
Shipp Ahoy!
From a club like QPR £4mill plus.
Beckenham Boy
Isn't Ben's contract up end of next year? What if he is indicating he will not sign another contract?

Purely rhetoric of course.

If he was not going to sign then would £1.25m sound a little more attractive? Or would it be worth hanging onto him for another year in the hope we get promoted then he would want to sign?
bern5161
this will not be their last bid
Beanie
A word on the offer - which I'm not surprised was rejected. Watson is going into his last season, the offers will not be huge if they come in. If we were offered £2m I'd say it was as much as we could expect in the circumstances. Not saying it would be accepted.
eagles #1
http://crystalpalace.rivals.net/For...;#AnchorComment
eagles forever
Wages will deicde alot this season. The championship is gaining a large amount of very rich clubs, we are in danger of falling behind. And money does buy success in the championship. Four biggest spenders year before last Sunderland, West Brom, Derby and one other who i have forgotten, finished in the top four. We need to get promoted sooner rather than later, or get investment, or players like Ben will go
Stavros 69
Go away Dowie and bounce back somewhere else.
sydney eagle
Go feck yourself Dowie
GDP
Go away Dowie you horrible turd!
Leap of faith
quote:
Originally posted by Beckenham Boy
Isn't Ben's contract up end of next year? What if he is indicating he will not sign another contract?

Or would it be worth hanging onto him for another year in the hope we get promoted then he would want to sign?



Worst case scenario, 1.25m would be cheap to keep Watson, even if only for one more season.

This offer is a non starter.
will hung
how quickly we forget let's insult the last man (ever?) to take us into the premiership
redandblue
I am not sure that £1.25M is not a fair price for somone who cant get past the near post when taking a corner
bern5161
quote:
Originally posted by will hung
how quickly we forget let's insult the last man (ever?) to take us into the premiership


then stroke us out of compensation by lying to the chairman so that he could manage clowntown hmmm :rolleyes:
PJJY
quote:
Originally posted by will hung
how quickly we forget let's insult the last man (ever?) to take us into the premiership


...and then blatantly lie to the club and join our 'rivals' Charlton.
UEAgle
quote:
Originally posted by redandblue
I am not sure that £1.25M is not a fair price for somone who cant get past the near post when taking a corner



:S:
Gooders
quote:
Originally posted by eagles forever
We need to get promoted sooner rather than later, or get investment, or players like Ben will go


Of course he will, and who could blame him. He'd go with my good wishes because he deserves to test himself at a higher level.

I think he's reasonably intelligent though, so he won't go to QPR.
GodstoneEagle
Warnock was more than willing to let him go in january, could still be...
smileysmith
quote:
Originally posted by UEAgle
:S:
Indeed.

Watson is worth £2m at least even in his final year.

Surely we are offering him a new contract with a hefty signing fee as well??
kolinkins
I laughed when I saw the bid was from QPR.
Jordan's Jacket
If he went to QPR I would be very angry
GDP
quote:
Originally posted by will hung
how quickly we forget let's insult the last man (ever?) to take us into the premiership


Have you been hiding for a few years or something. Does a certain court case ring any bells?
Latvian
quote:
Originally posted by Jordan's Jacket
If he went to QPR I would be very angry


David of Kent
C'mon Iain.

Ben's not like you.

He won't want to go to a club that far north.
Eagles 17
Why do people think it is that inconceivable he will go?? He knows Dowie, QPR have potentially a load of money behind them and - just supposing - Ben listened to what they have to say and was told that there will be huge investment in the squad....he could be tempted
GreatGonzo
Palace will agree a fee of £1.5m if Ben does not sign a new contract IMO.
DANCOO
quote:
Originally posted by eagles #1
http://crystalpalace.rivals.net/For...;#AnchorComment


Sorry mate he's crap. I wouldnt touch him with a bargepole

That's right, he's useless...nothing more to see here, move along please...

:clown: :clown:
stevek
quote:
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
Palace will agree a fee of £1.5m if Ben does not sign a new contract IMO.
You may be right, but it would be a mistake. We should follow Reading's example with Sidwell.
Ralph
Bite his hand off....then send it back to him with the middle finger firmly extended. Twat Muncher.
GreatGonzo
quote:
Originally posted by stevek
You may be right, but it would be a mistake. We should follow Reading's example with Sidwell.


They took nothing for Sidwell who's presence in the side was a big part of them staying up. I think him going was a huge factor in theor relegation this year and of course they had no money with which to buy a replacement.

The loss of £1.5m to keep him for 1 season is effectively paying an extra £30,000 a week on his salary, no way can i see SJ doing that.
David
quote:
Originally posted by PJJY
Ben's one of the best midfielders in the division. That's a laughable offer.

Jason Koumas went to Wigan for £5million last summer from the Championship, we should be looking (if we have to sell him) for around that.



Different player to Koumas though.
PJJY
quote:
Originally posted by David
Different player to Koumas though.


True but I meant in terms of stature in the championship.

Both highly rated as one of the best midfielders in the CCC, both quite young and both linked with a host of clubs.

Though I didn't realise BW was in his last year of his contract here so I'd doubt we'd get near £5million
David
QPR will be seen as a decent club to join next season as they have money and players will feel they are going to be one of the favourites for promotion.

Whether people think QPR could attract Watson is a matter for huge debate. I don't think Watson is influential enough to start week-in, week-out in the Premiership, i.e, I don't think he is as good as a George Boateng, who has been left out in a struggling Boro side. He would play every week for QPR.

If we gt a bid of £2m we should accept, he is in the last year of his contract and that money could be used to get a couple of decent players.
eagleforlife
quote:
Originally posted by PJJY
True but I meant in terms of stature in the championship.

Both highly rated as one of the best midfielders in the CCC, both quite young and both linked with a host of clubs.

Though I didn't realise BW was in his last year of his contract here so I'd doubt we'd get near £5million



Jason Koumas was 28 when he left West Brom.
David
quote:
Originally posted by PJJY
True but I meant in terms of stature in the championship.

Both highly rated as one of the best midfielders in the CCC, both quite young and both linked with a host of clubs.

Though I didn't realise BW was in his last year of his contract here so I'd doubt we'd get near £5million




Koumas is at Wigan and is loved by their fans.

It's a shame we have let him get to the last year of his contract. Palace really need to change their policy on when to offer new contracts.
Gooders
I'm still struggling to understand who the idiot is that thought that the right person to lead moneybags QPR into the Premier League was Dowie.
Crunchie
quote:
Originally posted by David
QPR will be seen as a decent club to join next season as they have money and players will feel they are going to be one of the favourites for promotion.

Whether people think QPR could attract Watson is a matter for huge debate. I don't think Watson is influential enough to start week-in, week-out in the Premiership, i.e, I don't think he is as good as a George Boateng, who has been left out in a struggling Boro side. He would play every week for QPR.

If we gt a bid of £2m we should accept, he is in the last year of his contract and that money could be used to get a couple of decent players.



But what if Ben decides to extend his contract an extra year?

Ben under Warnock has developed so much quicker than under any other manager.

We all knew he had potential and can pass a ball, but now dictates play, and most important off all tackles and goes in where it hurts.

He seems to become a much more complete player in the last 6 months.

Therefore i think his value would rise more than 2m IF he does sign a years extention.
917L
quote:
Originally posted by stevek
You may be right, but it would be a mistake. We should follow Reading's example with Sidwell.


Aand then in 12 months time everyone will be slagging the club off because he will be leaving for free
Gooders
quote:
Originally posted by David
Koumas is at Wigan and is loved by their fans.

It's a shame we have let him get to the last year of his contract. Palace really need to change their policy on when to offer new contracts.



It's a fact of life. If you've got reasonably talented ambitious players who are clearly going to step up at some stage then you have to hedge your bets because only if you get promotion can you afford the increase in wages they will be after.

Similarly, you have to try to write it into players contracts that upon relegation there will be a consequent drop in wages - and my guess it's quite hard to get players to sign deals on that basis when you're one of the favourites for relegation.

I think it's actually prudent management, and no change in policy is required.

If it means we lose the better players from time to time then we'll just have to suck it up. People like Ben and Tom don't owe us anything and if they get the chance to progress elsewhere, good luck to them.

I repeat, however, that re-joining Dowie is not a good career move however much money he has to spend, because he is a busted flush.
David
quote:
Originally posted by Crunchie
But what if Ben decides to extend his contract an extra year?

Ben under Warnock has developed so much quicker than under any other manager.

We all knew he had potential and can pass a ball, but now dictates play, and most important off all tackles and goes in where it hurts.

He seems to become a much more complete player in the last 6 months.

Therefore i think his value would rise more than 2m IF he does sign a years extention.



Definitely, I'd say £3.5 is fair when you consider how much people like Earnshaw go for.

I hope he does extend, but offers such as this are bound to unsettle the player.
glenn.f
Would like to think Ben would not even consider another Championship side, Premiership club yes. Hopefully this will pass quickly, but the longer he goes without signing a new (but not yet offered) contract the more likely we will be saying goodbye to the lad.
David
quote:
Originally posted by Gooders
It's a fact of life. If you've got reasonably talented ambitious players who are clearly going to step up at some stage then you have to hedge your bets because only if you get promotion can you afford the increase in wages they will be after.

Similarly, you have to try to write it into players contracts that upon relegation there will be a consequent drop in wages - and my guess it's quite hard to get players to sign deals on that basis when you're one of the favourites for relegation.

I think it's actually prudent management, and no change in policy is required.

If it means we lose the better players from time to time then we'll just have to suck it up. People like Ben and Tom don't owe us anything and if they get the chance to progress elsewhere, good luck to them.

I repeat, however, that re-joining Dowie is not a good career move however much money he has to spend, because he is a busted flush.



But why didn't we offer him a new contract last season?
Beanie
quote:
Originally posted by David
It's a shame we have let him get to the last year of his contract. Palace really need to change their policy on when to offer new contracts.

No ambitious player is going to tie himself to a Championship club much earlier than the last year of his current deal, reduces his options. NW ahs said he will be starting work on all those that finish in 2009 during the summer. The implication was that they sign new deals or he will look to sell so they don't walk away for nothing.
David
quote:
Originally posted by glenn.f
Would like to think Ben would not even consider another Championship side, Premiership club yes. Hopefully this will pass quickly, but the longer he goes without signing a new (but not yet offered) contract the more likely we will be saying goodbye to the lad.


You can't expect Watson to do us any favours especially after the way he was treated by certain fans when he was booed before he took a penalty. All we can hope is he has forgotten that incident and is now enjoying playing for the club.
stevek
quote:
Originally posted by 917L
Aand then in 12 months time everyone will be slagging the club off because he will be leaving for free

Did people slag Reading when Sidwell left? And in that case, Sidwell had made very clear he would go - I don't think Watson's done that.
PJJY
quote:
Originally posted by David
Koumas is at Wigan and is loved by their fans.

It's a shame we have let him get to the last year of his contract. Palace really need to change their policy on when to offer new contracts.



Sorry

At the time of the transfer to Wigan. He was highly rated ect ect

Like Watson is now
David
quote:
Originally posted by Beanie
No ambitious player is going to tie himself to a Championship club much earlier than the last year of his current deal, reduces his options. NW ahs said he will be starting work on all those that finish in 2009 during the summer. The implication was that they sign new deals or he will look to sell so they don't walk away for nothing.


It's a risky game for a player to play though. One bad tackle and it's all over. Surely being offered financial security 2 years before your deal runs out is a tempting offer for any player.
David
quote:
Originally posted by PJJY
Sorry

At the time if the transfer to Wigan. He was highly rated ect ect

Like Watson is now



Oh I see, yes he was.
stevek
quote:
Originally posted by David
It's a risky game for a player to play though. One bad tackle and it's all over. Surely being offered financial security 2 years before your deal runs out is a tempting offer for any player.
Agreed - that's the balancing act for any player at any level. Security or the chance of more freedom and a better contract because you're on a free.
PJJY
I think if we are going to sell him before his contract is up we'd do well to get over £2million for him.

But I hope really do hope we manage to tie him down to a new long term deal as I think he will be instrumental to our success in the next few years.
stevek
quote:
Originally posted by PJJY
I think if we are going to sell him before his contract is up we'd do well to get over £2million for him.

But I hope really do hope we manage to tie him down to a new long term deal as I think he will be instrumental to our success in the next few years.

Agreed and agreed.
Jamio
Are we not entitled to compensation if he does leave on a free? What sort of figure would we be looking at? If Borrowdale was 750k surely Watson would be something similar.
David
http://www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=26180
Gooders
quote:
Originally posted by David
But why didn't we offer him a new contract last season?


Because we were going nowhere, wouldn't have been able to speculate on a substantial increase in wages, and therefore he wouldn't have signed it?

That would be my guess anyway.
Dobbo
quote:
Originally posted by Beckenham Boy
Or would it be worth hanging onto him for another year in the hope we get promoted then he would want to sign?


Sounds like David Hopkin all over again to me :(
Yogya
Yes, contract expires before he is 24, so we will get compensation. So no question of him leaving on free next year
stevek
quote:
Originally posted by David
http://www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=26180
Apart from the 'palarse' bit, I like this post:

You have to think palarse might be harbouring some ambitions of their own for next season and would want to hang on to him until they no-longer have any play-off/promotion hopes with which to tempt him into re-signing (and given last season's late run that might be some way into next season)?

Also they might (given the Dowie history) rather sell him into slavery than let him join us.
sw16girl
We would not get a lot as it is linked partly to the return that Palace have had on their investment in him. Therefore the fact he was very nearly 24 and had played a lot for the club would reduce it.

If we could get about £2/£3m now it would be a good sum but I am hoping we sign him up for the future
nathe
People he might sign a new contract. Warnock has made him a better player and Warnock managed to keep highly rated players like Jagielka and Tonge when he was at Sheff Utd.
El Aguila
I would rather have Ben Watson on a new four year contract than five million quid.
Jamio
In that case, hopefully we get loads for Bostock! I think 750k- the amount we allegedly received for Borrowdale would be roughly the amount we would receive for Watson should he leave on a free, maybe slightly less seeing as he would be a year or two older. I think 2 million should be the minimum we should accept if we do sell, Watson is vital to our push for promotion.
eagleforlife
quote:
Originally posted by Jamio
Are we not entitled to compensation if he does leave on a free? What sort of figure would we be looking at? If Borrowdale was 750k surely Watson would be something similar.


Borrowdale was 400k.
Jamio
poo
FORZA SELHURST
quote:
Originally posted by sw16girl
We would not get a lot as it is linked partly to the return that Palace have had on their investment in him. Therefore the fact he was very nearly 24 and had played a lot for the club would reduce it.

If we could get about £2/£3m now it would be a good sum but I am hoping we sign him up for the future



We wouldn't get anything. He turns 24 in July so he'd just join the new club after that, no tribunal needed.

I do hope he signs a contract extension even if it's with a release clause or whatever.
maestro
I think he's worth 2.3-3million, come on a long way last season imo
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
Palace will agree a fee of £1.5m if Ben does not sign a new contract IMO.


Why? That would be madness. He is the key to £50m and promotion. There is no-one to replace him now. Bostock is gone. i think we will offer him a mega contract. he deserves to be the highest paid player at the club imho.

And even if he doesn't sign for us he's under 24 remember.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
They took nothing for Sidwell who's presence in the side was a big part of them staying up. I think him going was a huge factor in theor relegation this year and of course they had no money with which to buy a replacement.

The loss of £1.5m to keep him for 1 season is effectively paying an extra £30,000 a week on his salary, no way can i see SJ doing that.



By letting him go they could have gone down earlier. I'm sure they had the money to buy a replacement. They just couldn't attract a player of similar ability to the club imho.

Anyway Watson is under 24. We would not get nothing either.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by David
Different player to Koumas though.


Better. More inspirational and influential. More talented. We should be looking at £6m+ if he signs a new contract with us.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by 917L
Aand then in 12 months time everyone will be slagging the club off because he will be leaving for free


NOT for free. How many times?????

Also what makes u think he wouldn't stay if we were promoted and i am expecting automatic promotion.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by Beanie
No ambitious player is going to tie himself to a Championship club much earlier than the last year of his current deal, reduces his options. NW ahs said he will be starting work on all those that finish in 2009 during the summer. The implication was that they sign new deals or he will look to sell so they don't walk away for nothing.


This only applies to players over 24. But I still think we should look to tie Watson (and Soares) to big contracts. The vultures are going to circle and at least if they prize away our assets we will get a decent return that way.

Also Watson is the priority after Clinton.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by El Aguila
I would rather have Ben Watson on a new four year contract than five million quid.


Me too.
budgie
quote:
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
They took nothing for Sidwell who's presence in the side was a big part of them staying up. I think him going was a huge factor in theor relegation this year and of course they had no money with which to buy a replacement.

The loss of £1.5m to keep him for 1 season is effectively paying an extra £30,000 a week on his salary, no way can i see SJ doing that.



There failure to replace him was important, however it wasn't the lack of money, as that was made available, it was simply due to SC not finding a suitable player.
FORZA SELHURST
quote:
Originally posted by glaziers fan
NOT for free. How many times?????


Yes for free. He will be 24 in July 2009. Still plenty of transfer window left after that.

How many times?;)
pedro
They've got more chance of signing Russell Watson. Dowie has only just finished his five finger shuffle after arriving at a new club and finding out Fitz Hall was already there, next stop Julian Gray.
bendyjoe
quote:
Originally posted by adonkis
didnt dowie learn at coventry that filling his team full of palace players isnt a wise move??


didn't he learn that at Palace too?
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by FORZA SELHURST
Yes for free. He will be 24 in July 2009. Still plenty of transfer window left after that.

How many times?;)



It's when his contract ends (before he's 24) that's important. Not that it's 4 weeks later that he is 24.

HTH
Sussex Eagle
quote:
Originally posted by El Aguila
I would rather have Ben Watson on a new four year contract than five million quid.

You personally? I know gingers are rare in Spain, but I don't think you'd see a return on that investment just based on the curiousity.
emmatheeagle
On the bbc 606 site the QPR fans are saying that Watson wouldn't get in there team. They are all debating what sort of player he is, asking is he a holding midfielder or a left sided player. They all think he is a ••••••• left winger, they don't have a clue!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A36676948
nomad
quote:
Originally posted by SpikeyMatt
QPR will be fighting relegation next season. Mark my words.

Why on earth would Watson go there? £1.25m is laughable. Treble it.



So you don't think the untold millions will enable Dowie to put together even an average Championship side? Added to which, they could probably treble Ben's wages. Hudson, Bostock, Watson. will the last decent Palace player please turn the light off when you leave. It seems that we are unable to compete with wages which is a worrying thought.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by emmatheeagle
On the bbc 606 site the QPR fans are saying that Watson wouldn't get in there team. They are all debating what sort of player he is, asking is he a holding midfielder or a left sided player. They all think he is a ••••••• left winger, they don't have a clue!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A36676948




:D plastic fans
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by nomad
So you don't think the untold millions will enable Dowie to put together even an average Championship side? Added to which, they could probably treble Ben's wages. Hudson, Bostock, Watson. will the last decent Palace player please turn the light off when you leave. It seems that we are unable to compete with wages which is a worrying thought.


He's under contract for ••••s sake. He's going nowhere!
The Gerry Queen
quote:
Originally posted by nomad
So you don't think the untold millions will enable Dowie to put together even an average Championship side? Added to which, they could probably treble Ben's wages. Hudson, Bostock, Watson. will the last decent Palace player please turn the light off when you leave. It seems that we are unable to compete with wages which is a worrying thought.


Well he did pretty well squandering Charlton's resources spending millions before he was sacked after 12 games. Charlton then went on to be relegated and become, with some help from Pardew, an average Championship side so I guess you are right !

All the Palace boys will know than any promises he makes will be ultimately undeliverable as when Christmas comes and the Pooperhoopers are too close to the Championship trap door for comfort, they will have to negotiate with another manager who will have different priorities in the January window and may not feel well disposed to a Dowie old boys club. Ask Chris Coleman, he knows ;)
Billy Rhino
quote:
Originally posted by glaziers fan
It's when his contract ends (before he's 24) that's important. Not that it's 4 weeks later that he is 24.

HTH


Sorry mate but you're completely wrong there. Do you not remember what Julian Gray did to us? because he was under 24 he just stayed with us (and went on loan to Cardiff) until he hit 24 then left for free.

Ben's not stupid and will remember that and someone else recently ponted out that he is good mates with Hudson, so will know exactly how much of a bigger contract he got.

Unfortunately, unless NW can wave a magic wand and get him to extend his contract then we should get used to the fact that he will be leaving at some stage within the next year. Remember that whoever booed him!:grrr:
pedro
quote:
Originally posted by nomad
So you don't think the untold millions will enable Dowie to put together even an average Championship side?

Did you see what he did with Charlton's millions ?
kolinkins
quote:
Originally posted by pedro
Did you see what he did with Charlton's millions ?


He wasnt the one spending it. He probably wont be the one spending it at QPR either. For the best probably
Stavros 69
quote:
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Better. More inspirational and influential. More talented. We should be looking at £6m+ if he signs a new contract with us.


Watson is no Jason Koumas.

Kou is 10 times the player watson is.
Ashleyno1son
Middlesbrough and Bolton Wanderers have inquired about Ben Watson. Crystal Palace have turned down a £1.25million bid from Queens Park Rangers for the midfield player, 22, who has a year left on his contract. Nottingham Forest and Derby County have expressed an interest. :veryangry :veryangry
Cleon
Well, I suspect we will end up selling Watson if he doesn't agree to a new contract (tribunal would give us very little as we'll be judged to already have had a significant return on our investment in his playing time at the club). Am sure we'd want something closer to £2M at this stage though.

So a new contract should be a priority - we can only hope Watson & the club are already in negotiation.
glaziers fan
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Rhino
Sorry mate but you're completely wrong there. Do you not remember what Julian Gray did to us? because he was under 24 he just stayed with us (and went on loan to Cardiff) until he hit 24 then left for free.

Ben's not stupid and will remember that and someone else recently ponted out that he is good mates with Hudson, so will know exactly how much of a bigger contract he got.

Unfortunately, unless NW can wave a magic wand and get him to extend his contract then we should get used to the fact that he will be leaving at some stage within the next year. Remember that whoever booed him!:grrr:



Basically if the player is under 24 when contract ends you have a year before he is not your player if you can't agree compensation. Julian Gray's contract expired in May 2003. He was 24 in Sept 2003. Yet he didn't leave until May 2004!

HTH

So in effect, if Watson refuses to sign a contract with us, there are still a possible TWO years before he can sign for another club:)
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