| THETwins |
Even after we donated 6 league points to the train spotters this season, they could still only manage 11th... and for a team relegated from the prem the season before!!
...just laughable isn't it?! |
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| Razza |
| certainly is, i'm still laughing :) |
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| forsells no1 fan |
| I'll be laughing more when their parachute payments run out and they become stuck in this 'orrible league'!!! |
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| Son of Ron |
quote:
Originally posted by forsells no1 fan
I'll be laughing more when their parachute payments run out and they become stuck in this 'orrible league'!!!
Having spunked a large chunk of them on wages for a centre back with the pace and turning circle of an oil tanker.
Mind you, they've also got the £16.5m they got from doing the deal of the century selling Bent to the Spuds.
Personally I think they'll still struggle next year and Pardew will be gone by November. |
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| cpfc4evandeva |
| Pardew and Dowie have been quite the double act, haven't they. |
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| THETwins |
| I have a couple of anoraks at work and at the beginning of the season they were so sure they'd go straight back up. Oh well - i s'pose thats another easy £20 x 2 for finishing higher. Next season without us donating so many points I can see them finishing bottom half with any luck! ...the names pardew, agent pardew! |
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| New LP |
| Just another team, who cares? |
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| AJ's right boot |
quote:
Originally posted by New LP
Just another team, who cares?
Bingo. |
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| Addick1 |
| we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, yawn |
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| ebyeeckeagle |
Hmm, for a team we profess to not care about, we certainly start a fair number of threads about them!
Any of the clowns - how is your pre-season shaping up? Players in/out, rumours etc. And how is the mood amongst fans? I guess Super Al has till Xmas? |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by THETwins
Even after we donated 6 league points to the train spotters this season, they could still only manage 11th... and for a team relegated from the prem the season before!!
...just laughable isn't it?!
No flies on you are there?
Link |
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| Addick1 |
quote:
Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Any of the clowns - how is your pre-season shaping up?
Awful, we haven't won a game yet..... |
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| nellis |
| What an odd thread. |
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| nellis |
Even after we donated 6 league points to the tractor drivers this season, they could still only manage 8th... and for a team relegated from the prem a few seasons before!!
...just laughable isn't it?!
Even after we donated 5 league points to the canaries this season, they could still only manage 17th... and for a team relegated from the prem a few seasons before!!
...just laughable isn't it?!
Even after we donated 5 league points to the foxes this season, they still got relegated... and for a team relegated from the prem a few seasons before!!
...just laughable isn't it?!
Let's face it, we were crap, they were crap, most of the teams were crap.
Most of us don't care, some of us do, they definitely care, and wish we all cared.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, yawn
Clearly some (I suspect younger) fans think we are rivals but I honestly don't. |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
Awful, we haven't won a game yet.....
You haven't lost one either:) |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by nellis
What an odd thread.
Indeed.....Has this bloke been on holiday for the past 3/4 weeks? |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Hmm, for a team we profess to not care about, we certainly start a fair number of threads about them!
Any of the clowns - how is your pre-season shaping up? Players in/out, rumours etc. And how is the mood amongst fans? I guess Super Al has till Xmas?
That's the bbs though isn't it, a vocal minority will always be heard loadest.
Most Palace fans didn't want the sash as our home shirt next season, don't think Taylor was doing a good job and dislike Ron Noades. However read the bbs and you would maybe think otherwise, thanks to the opinions of a small but vocal minority. It's the same with the Charlton/rivals thing. |
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| Random* |
| In the second half of the season it never looked like the team could be bothered with playing in the CCC aside from the odd game. I guess a lot of players were just passing time until they could bargain for a Premiership move. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by New LP
That's the bbs though isn't it, a vocal minority will always be heard loadest.
Most Palace fans didn't want the sash as our home shirt next season, don't think Taylor was doing a good job and dislike Ron Noades. However read the bbs and you would maybe think otherwise, thanks to the opinions of a small but vocal minority. It's the same with the Charlton/rivals thing.
Without getting into another juvenile "we hate you less" row.....I'd like to point out that according to The Evening Standard's "Who do you dislike the most" poll Brighton come out top with 34%, Charlton 18% and Chelsea 16%. So whilst the more vocal are indeed a minority, its not quite a small as you would wish everyone to believe. |
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| gallery sex god |
and we are your number one rivals, brighton are our no 1
says it all |
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| Jolly Norwegian |
quote:
Originally posted by nellis
Even after we donated 5 league points to the canaries (...)
Even after we donated 5 league points to the foxes (...)
Just curious, but how do one donate 5 points? Surely must've been 4 points ;) |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by gallery sex god
and we are your number one rivals, brighton are our no 1
says it all
Indeed it does. Your main rivals are a small relatively insignificant team whom you feel you can feel comfortable lording it over due to being historically bigger and more successful.......With hindsight we're really not so different after all |
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| sydnsteve |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Indeed it does. Your main rivals are a small relatively insignificant team whom you feel you can feel comfortable lording it over due to being historically bigger and more successful.......
But we've just said you AREN'T our rivals Charlton Dan. Sometimes I just don't think you listen. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by sydnsteve
But we've just said you AREN'T our rivals Charlton Dan. Sometimes I just don't think you listen.
"Without getting into another juvenile "we hate you less" row" And nor do you Steve.
Im really not too bothered whether you "hate" us or see us as your rivals or not, Im simply pointing out that certain people assuming they talk for every Nigel are wrong |
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| CharltonDan |
| Part of the JD Sports Group FYI |
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| CP Satellite |
They've surpassed themselves. Well done Haddocks! |
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| Sussex Eagle |
| AH, so that's where Charlton's 'heartland' is. Bluewater. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
AH, so that's where Charlton's 'heartland' is. Bluewater.
Que? |
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| FORZA SELHURST |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Part of the JD Sports Group FYI
It's one of their in-house brands isn't it? I hadn't really heard of it before. What sort of market does it target? |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by FORZA SELHURST
It's one of their in-house brands isn't it? I hadn't really heard of it before. What sort of market does it target?
According to our OS its "JD Sports' youth fashion brands".....Hmmmmm:rolleyes: |
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| cpfc4evandeva |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Part of the JD Sports Group FYI
Was that comment supposed to make us jealous? |
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| FORZA SELHURST |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
According to our OS its "JD Sports' youth fashion brands".....Hmmmmm:rolleyes:
Are they going to sell your shirts with a hoodie option?:D |
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| AJ's right boot |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Without getting into another juvenile "we hate you less" row.....I'd like to point out that according to The Evening Standard's "Who do you dislike the most" poll Brighton come out top with 34%, Charlton 18% and Chelsea 16%. So whilst the more vocal are indeed a minority, its not quite a small as you would wish everyone to believe.
I guarantee you 100% that Millwall are infront of you, ive no idea why they aren't on the list. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by cpfc4evandeva
Was that comment supposed to make us jealous?
No. It was "FYI"?!
Jeez. Why do some people get so so defensive.... |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by FORZA SELHURST
Are they going to sell your shirts with a hoodie option?:D
LOL! Youve got an idea there fella. It would make a mint!:) |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ's right boot
I guarantee you 100% that Millwall are infront of you, ive no idea why they aren't on the list.
So youre right and the list is wrong.........:clown: |
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| nathe |
They only interviewed a few supporters. If you asked the majority it would come out as Brighton, Millscum and either Charlton or Chelscum.
And anyone 18 % compared to 60% of you hating us. You are desperate for a rival and we don't really care about you. Now run along there's a good chap. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by nathe
They only interviewed a few supporters. If you asked the majority it would come out as Brighton, Millscum and either Charlton or Chelscum.
And anyone 18 % compared to 60% of you hating us. You are desperate for a rival and we don't really care about you. Now run along there's a good chap.
Oh so just because it was handful of supporters then the figures must be hugely out. So you're saying that 18% of 20000 Palace fans would show a different result to 18% of 2000 then......Yet another numpty who thinks that just because their "apparent" beliefs differ QED the facts must be wrong. People used to think the World was flat and that the moon was made of cheese you know....
"we don't really care about you" Yet hear you are on the away forum commenting on a thread created by a fellow Nigel entitled "Charlton":p LMFAO...Good one nathe! If you keep saying it for long enough, even you might believe it one day |
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| AJ's right boot |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
So youre right and the list is wrong.........:clown:
Yes. No way that Millwall arent in our top 3. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ's right boot
Yes. No way that Millwall arent in our top 3.
Ever heard the story of the The Emperor's New Clothes? If not you should read it young man.
Anyhoo. Good weekend one and all!!:p |
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| AJ's right boot |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Ever heard the story of the The Emperor's New Clothes? If not you should read it young man.
Anyhoo. Good weekend one and all!!:p
of course and i fail to see your point. Make a poll and if Millwall arent in the top 3 i will eat my own arm. |
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| EdMan |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Without getting into another juvenile "we hate you less" row.....I'd like to point out that according to The Evening Standard's "Who do you dislike the most" poll Brighton come out top with 34%, Charlton 18% and Chelsea 16%. So whilst the more vocal are indeed a minority, its not quite a small as you would wish everyone to believe.
the evening standard is a rubbish paper. they probably made their poll 'results' up. almost certainly in fact, given that millwall didn't even appear... |
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| Nth Kent Eagle |
| A question for Charlton Dan, Addick1 or whoever. Last week I drove along Woolwich Rd and as you go past the turning for Charlton Station I noticed a pub all boarded up. Is that the Anti-gallican? If so is it closed permanently or just being refurbished? |
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| Brumie Allan |
quote:
Originally posted by CP Satellite
They've surpassed themselves. Well done Haddocks!
Does that say Caravan Club on the sponsors? |
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| David Amsalem |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, yawn
We're not.
We do dislike you though I would say. |
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| Addick1 |
quote:
Originally posted by Nth Kent Eagle
A question for Charlton Dan, Addick1 or whoever. Last week I drove along Woolwich Rd and as you go past the turning for Charlton Station I noticed a pub all boarded up. Is that the Anti-gallican? If so is it closed permanently or just being refurbished?
No, its the Horse and Groom. |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ's right boot
Yes. No way that Millwall arent in our top 3.
Millwall are number 2. |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Indeed it does. Your main rivals are a small relatively insignificant team whom you feel you can feel comfortable lording it over due to being historically bigger and more successful.......
No.
It started at a time when the two teams were at the same level, played a lot of vital games against each other, and chased each other up the football league.
There were cup games as well, and a fight for the old second division title. It goes back to the mid 1970's, and was intense enough to last to this day.
That rivalry exists whatever the current state of either clubs fortunes.
Thats why it is a rivalry.
Millwall pre-dates even that.
We've got a long history of rivalry with Brighton and Millwall.
You're a minor tiff. It could happen with any London club.
Maybe some of the younger Palace fans see you as rivals, but I dont and I never will. Sorry. |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals, we're their rivals
Yawn. |
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| anti-addick |
quote:
Originally posted by THETwins
I have a couple of anoraks at work and at the beginning of the season they were so sure they'd go straight back up. Oh well - i s'pose thats another easy £20 x 2 for finishing higher. Next season without us donating so many points I can see them finishing bottom half with any luck! ...the names pardew, agent pardew!
lol, I bet they were rubbing it in every bloody monday morning too - right up to the point when they realised that we were on a run and they had collapsed :D
I'm looking forward to the plummet in their attendance, which has probably already happened - you know how the clowns are for lying about that. |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by celery stick
No.
It started at a time when the two teams were at the same level, played a lot of vital games against each other, and chased each other up the football league.
There were cup games as well, and a fight for the old second division title. It goes back to the mid 1970's, and was intense enough to last to this day.
That rivalry exists whatever the current state of either clubs fortunes.
Thats why it is a rivalry.
Millwall pre-dates even that.
We've got a long history of rivalry with Brighton and Millwall.
You're a minor tiff. It could happen with any London club.
Maybe some of the younger Palace fans see you as rivals, but I dont and I never will. Sorry.
Perfectly summed up. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by anti-addick
lol, I bet they were rubbing it in every bloody monday morning too - right up to the point when they realised that we were on a run and they had collapsed :D
I'm looking forward to the plummet in their attendance, which has probably already happened - you know how the clowns are for lying about that.
Sorry I thought it was Palace that announced a gate of 13k for a league game last season when it was actually nearer to 8/9k according to some on here.
I'm not too sure how the ST sales are going this year, but would assume they wont be too far off the 17.5k we had last season... |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by celery stick
No.
It started at a time when the two teams were at the same level, played a lot of vital games against each other, and chased each other up the football league.
There were cup games as well, and a fight for the old second division title. It goes back to the mid 1970's, and was intense enough to last to this day.
That rivalry exists whatever the current state of either clubs fortunes.
Thats why it is a rivalry.
Millwall pre-dates even that.
We've got a long history of rivalry with Brighton and Millwall.
You're a minor tiff. It could happen with any London club.
Maybe some of the younger Palace fans see you as rivals, but I dont and I never will. Sorry.
No need to be sorry. It really doesn't bother me one way or the other TBF. After all I hate Anne Robinson with a passion, but not too sure, or bothered, if its reciprocated. However thanks for explaining that, in your eyes, the lack of rivalry is down to the fact that we've tended to play a higher level than you. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by EdMan
the evening standard is a rubbish paper. they probably made their poll 'results' up. almost certainly in fact , given that millwall didn't even appear...
Correct me if Im wrong but was this poll actually undertaken by FFC and not the Standard itself? According to this PDF link Link season (06/07) it was Brighton 31%, CAFC 21%, Chelsea 17% with still no sign of Millsmall.....Strange that it should be so consistent considering so many of you "hate" Millwall more than us. |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
No need to be sorry. It really doesn't bother me one way or the other TBF. After all I hate Anne Robinson with a passion, but not too sure, or bothered, if its reciprocated. However thanks for explaining that, in your eyes, the lack of rivalry is down to the fact that we've tended to play a higher level than you.
I'm sure if Anne Robinson ever got to hear that CharltonDan hates her with a passion she'd get on with her life just fine.
Because I dont hate Charlton and never will, because I dont see you as rivals and never will, it really doesn't matter whether you've 'tended' to play at a higher level or not.
Besides during some of the most intense seasons of rivarly between Brighton and Palace, Charlton were in a lower division than both.
But since I began supporting Palace in 1970, I'd hazard a guess that we've played at a higher level than you for quite a bit of that time.
It doesn't matter though.
Your league record could be the same as Arsenals, or the same as Barnets. Its all the same to me. |
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| Radders |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, we're not their rivals, yawn
Knob. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by AJ's right boot
of course and i fail to see your point. Make a poll and if Millwall arent in the top 3 i will eat my own arm.
The morale of the story is that just because someone tells you something is a "locked on" fact, and because you want to believe what you've been told to be true, it doesn't always mean that it is in fact the truth. (I mentioned earlier that we once thought the World was flat due to our own ignorance and lack of evidence to contrary). It also points out that anyone that doesn't believe you, but would rather rely on the facts in front of them, isn't stupid or ill-informed one, but rather the "Emperor" for being so belligerent in believing what he wanted to believe, for fear of looking daft in front of his peers.
You know full well that if someone with the name "CharltonDan", or indeed anyone else on here, started a poll such as that, then there would be a huge number of people whose vote would be placed else where because of this requirement for apparent apathy which Palace fans think really grates when faced with CAFC fans. I'd rather trust something a little more independent, such as 2 years of polls by an unbiased body.
Good try AJ...:p Must try a bit harder though |
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| Radders |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
No need to be sorry. It really doesn't bother me one way or the other TBF. After all I hate Anne Robinson with a passion, but not too sure, or bothered, if its reciprocated. However thanks for explaining that, in your eyes, the lack of rivalry is down to the fact that we've tended to play a higher level than you.
Once again a deluded little twerp posts utter drivel.
The 'rivalry' comes from 1 place. Charlton hate us because we gave them somewhere to play to stop them going down the pan. For the life of me I still don't understand how this warrants the hatred they have for us. It's nonsensical. Then again, so is supporting such a feeble little club.
I have heard some supporters say 'It's because Ron Noades charged us so much in rent at Selhurst Park' as if giving them somewhere to play was not enough, we were expected to do it for free as well!!! Very strange.
Face it mate, Charltons hatred of us is the only thing that stirs up any rivalry and for reasons that have no real basis at all. |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Sorry I thought it was Palace that announced a gate of 13k for a league game last season when it was actually nearer to 8/9k according to some on here.
I'm not too sure how the ST sales are going this year, but would assume they wont be too far off the 17.5k we had last season...
That was a low point for us but I can remember when Charlton were getting gates below of 10,000 fairly recently. Neither club is really that big and it makes me laugh that you think you are so much bigger than us and it seems this division as a whole. I do wonder how long you've actually been going? Palace have generally been bigger than you over the years (hence the inferiority complex so many of you seem to have) and I would actually say that Brighton are traditionally bigger than you as well. Your 'support' which you love to go on about on here is quite false, based on cheap prices, bussed in daytrippers and promises of Premier League football and you better go up this season if you want to sustain that. Football is about peaks and troughs, especially when it comes to the fortunes of modest clubs like ours.
The main point of this thread though is that rivalry is based on history and tradition. You mock our rivalry with Brighton and Millwall because they currently play in a division below. But this shows the superficial way in which you seem to view football, these are rivalries that go back generations. We aren't just going to drop that for some contrived superficial rivalry with yourselves because right now you've had some success. Ultimately I think it hurts you that you are roundly ignored by your south London neighbours and considered irrelevant. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by celery stick
I'm sure if Anne Robinson ever got to hear that CharltonDan hates her with a passion she'd get on with her life just fine.
Which is why I said "After all I hate Anne Robinson with a passion, but not too sure, or bothered, if its reciprocated." |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Which is why I said "After all I hate Anne Robinson with a passion, but not too sure, or bothered, if its reciprocated."
Yes, I was agreeing with you. |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by Radders
I have heard some supporters say 'It's because Ron Noades charged us so much in rent at Selhurst Park' as if giving them somewhere to play was not enough, we were expected to do it for free as well!!! Very strange.
And even if Ron Noades did rip them off, they should blame him, not Palace and its fans now, none of whom ever wanted or benefited from Charlton (or Wimbledon) groundsharing with us. The irony is that Noades tried to screw Palace not that long ago as well.
I've made this point to Charlton fans a number of times and never received a satisfactory answer. In truth it's because they don't have one. The groundshare thing is just a half baked reason to pursue this one sided 'rivalry' with Palace. |
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| CharltonDan |
quote:
Originally posted by Radders
Once again a deluded little twerp posts utter drivel.
The 'rivalry' comes from 1 place. Charlton hate us because we gave them somewhere to play to stop them going down the pan. For the life of me I still don't understand how this warrants the hatred they have for us. It's nonsensical. Then again, so is supporting such a feeble little club.
I have heard some supporters say 'It's because Ron Noades charged us so much in rent at Selhurst Park' as if giving them somewhere to play was not enough, we were expected to do it for free as well!!! Very strange.
Face it mate, Charltons hatred of us is the only thing that stirs up any rivalry and for reasons that have no real basis at all.
Twerp?! LMFAO...That's it mate. When faced with someone who can construct a sentence without the need to revert to name calling, you fall back on the default setting of juvenile name calling.
Your unfounded arrogance over the ground share, and desire to portrait it as you doing us a favour, rather than being aware of what actually happened, the way the club and fans we treated, unlike at Upton Park whom we don't have the same level of contempt for, could go some way to explaining why most CAFC fans don't like CPFC.
"Little club"? - LOL....Your ignorance and hypocrisy really knows no limits does it? |
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| celery stick |
We go through this same old rigmarole every time a new Chartlon fan appears on here.
Its so boring.
You fancy Anne Robinson really don't you Dan?
Hate and love and all that! |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Your unfounded arrogance over the ground share, and desire to portrait it as you doing us a favour, rather than being aware of what actually happened, the way the club and fans we treated, unlike at Upton Park whom we don't have the same level of contempt for, could go some way to explaining why most CAFC fans don't like CPFC.
You think we enjoyed groundsharing with you?
I was delighted when you left Selhurst and was equally delighted when you went back to the Valley.
Your anger should be directed toward the people who got you in the mess in the first place, and yes, Noades for his greed. He's not the most popular person among Palace fans you know.
But you did manage to keep your club going, having somewhere to play helped with that, thats a good thing. |
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| old git |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
unlike at Upton Park whom we don't have the same level of contempt for,
Nothing to do with the fact they would kick six barrels out of you then .But then you have form on this rather like your sucking up to Millwall. :hi: |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by CharltonDan
Your unfounded arrogance over the ground share, and desire to portrait it as you doing us a favour, rather than being aware of what actually happened, the way the club and fans we treated, unlike at Upton Park whom we don't have the same level of contempt for, could go some way to explaining why most CAFC fans don't like CPFC.
As stated previously blame Ron Noades and perhaps also your managment at that time. The groundshare did us no favours.
And as for ' unfounded arrogance' please read some of your previous posts. |
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| Addick1 |
quote:
Originally posted by New LP
I've made this point to Charlton fans a number of times and never received a satisfactory answer.
In depth explainations have been posted by both myself and Addickted on here five or six times over the years. I really can't be arsed to go through it again, but then again you have already made your mind up it would be an unsatisfactory answer.... |
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| New LP |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
In depth explainations have been posted by both myself and Addickted on here five or six times over the years. I really can't be arsed to go through it again, but then again you have already made your mind up it would be an unsatisfactory answer....
Well both of you are generally sensible posters so if I missed that then I apologise. |
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| celery stick |
quote:
Originally posted by Addick1
In depth explainations have been posted by both myself and Addickted on here five or six times over the years. I really can't be arsed to go through it again, but then again you have already made your mind up it would be an unsatisfactory answer....
Back at ya.
Nice to see you posting again by the way. |
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| CharltonDan |
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Originally posted by New LP
That was a low point for us but I can remember when Charlton were getting gates below of 10,000 fairly recently. Neither club is really that big and it makes me laugh that you think you are so much bigger than us and it seems this division as a whole. I do wonder how long you've actually been going? Palace have generally been bigger than you over the years (hence the inferiority complex so many of you seem to have) and I would actually say that Brighton are traditionally bigger than you as well. Your 'support' which you love to go on about on here is quite false, based on cheap prices, bussed in daytrippers and promises of Premier League football and you better go up this season if you want to sustain that. Football is about peaks and troughs, especially when it comes to the fortunes of modest clubs like ours.
The main point of this thread though is that rivalry is based on history and tradition. You mock our rivalry with Brighton and Millwall because they currently play in a division below. But this shows the superficial way in which you seem to view football, these are rivalries that go back generations. We aren't just going to drop that for some contrived superficial rivalry with yourselves because right now you've had some success. Ultimately I think it hurts you that you are roundly ignored by your south London neighbours and considered irrelevant.
Fairly recently? It really depends how flexible you wish your noncommittal use of "recently" to be? 5/10/15yrs?
Palace bigger than CAFC? "I do wonder how long you've actually been going?" So how far back would you like to go? Or should we just use a window that suits your argument?
LP - I'm disappointed with you. I had you down as one of the more educated and well informed posters on here and not one to fall into the ludicrous trap of assuming that we have to bus fans in, despite there having been plenty of evidence provided that the vast majority of these bused in fans, are long-term fans taking up the opportunity to use a cheap coach scheme laid on by their club.
You're I assume happy with the high ticketing price policy of SJ that leads to low ST uptake and ticket sales at Selhurst, ( that is unless you go on a good run, such as toward the end of last season and then we could see a 10k jump in gates at Selhurst) just because it means that those that get scammed and have to pay through the nose instantly become "loyal long-term supporters" and would rather this than CPFC offering loyalty based incentives and promotions that any other commercially viable operation would do? I also assume that you think the prawn sandwich brigade that have polluted clubs such as Chelsea and have priced out their traditionally loyal working class fan base are the "real supporters" and not just the fair weather fans?
To address your last point I think my Anne Robinson analogy explains my feelings on whether or not you feel the same way as me perfectly." No one hates us, I don't care". However the evidence provided by 2 separate census of fans would point to CAFC not being quite so insignificant as you would like us to be, which is the whole point of what Im saying.
I don't care whether you personally feel that way, however facts are facts, and if you'd rather ignore those facts than address them and put them down to fanciful hot air from CAFC, or indeed as one person on here and hilariously suggested, lies made up but The Evening Standard, then that's up to you. Ignorance is bliss after all. |
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| CharltonDan |
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Originally posted by old git
Nothing to do with the fact they would kick six barrels out of you then
Correct:D |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Fairly recently? It really depends how flexible you wish your noncommittal use of "recently" to be? 5/10/15yrs?
Palace bigger than CAFC? "I do wonder how long you've actually been going?" So how far back would you like to go? Or should we just use a window that suits your argument?
A bit like 'tended to'.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
LP - I'm disappointed with you. I had you down as one of the more educated and well informed posters on here and not one to fall into the ludicrous trap of assuming that we have to bus fans in, despite there having been plenty of evidence provided that the vast majority of these bused in fans, are long-term fans taking up the opportunity to use a cheap coach scheme laid on by their club.
You're I assume happy with the high ticketing price policy of SJ that leads to low ST uptake and ticket sales at Selhurst, ( that is unless you go on a good run, such as toward the end of last season and then we could see a 10k jump in gates at Selhurst) just because it means that those that get scammed and have to pay through the nose instantly become "loyal long-term supporters" and would rather this than CPFC offering loyalty based incentives and promotions that any other commercially viable operation would do? I also assume that you think the prawn sandwich brigade that have polluted clubs such as Chelsea and have priced out their traditionally loyal working class fan base are the "real supporters" and not just the fair weather fans?
Arguments about attendances bore me to tears.
Manchester United have millions of 'fans', and they're all wankers.
A club like Carlisle may have had about 100 fans who've supported them all over the country even in the Conference, each one of those fans is worth a million glory hunters.
I agree with you, in a way...
I've been in 'crowds' of 4k at Selhurst and I've been in crowds of 40k and 50k.
God, Palace, and I are an absolute majority, and I don't believe in God.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
To address your last point I think my Anne Robinson analogy explains my feelings on whether or not you feel the same way as me perfectly." No one hates us, I don't care". However the evidence provided by 2 separate census of fans would point to CAFC not being quite so insignificant as you would like us to be.
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To address the point you made earlier CS (sorry missed it) its not the fact that you "took us in" but the arrogance we faced at all levels from club shop, catering staff at HT, to groundstaff and your board that rubbed CAFC staff and fans up the wrong way and this tongue in cheek attitude of "we did you a favour" just compounds that feeling.
Ok I come clean I do.....;) |
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| Radders |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Twerp?! LMFAO...That's it mate. When faced with someone who can construct a sentence without the need to revert to name calling, you fall back on the default setting of juvenile name calling.
Your unfounded arrogance over the ground share, and desire to portrait it as you doing us a favour, rather than being aware of what actually happened, the way the club and fans we treated, unlike at Upton Park whom we don't have the same level of contempt for, could go some way to explaining why most CAFC fans don't like CPFC.
"Little club"? - LOL....Your ignorance and hypocrisy really knows no limits does it?
Your view from up there on your high horse seems very blinkered to the extent of what you accuse me of.
Twerp! I am aiming this at you because again, the arrogance you accuse me of is so clearly oozing out of your keyboard that I can only assume this is what you are.
YOUR naevity (excuse my spelling if thats not right) over the groundshare situations at both grounds shows your ignorance as to the situations. I didn't paint it as us 'doing you a favour' but simply as us providing somewhere for you to continue to fulfill your league fixtures at that time. Seeing as Charlton took Palace up on whatever offer they put on the table with regards to rent then I can only assume it was either the only or the best offer Charlton had. 'Doing you a favour' perhaps not but the option CPFC provided was certainly needed by CAFC.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Fairly recently? It really depends how flexible you wish your noncommittal use of "recently" to be? 5/10/15yrs?
Palace bigger than CAFC? "I do wonder how long you've actually been going?" So how far back would you like to go? Or should we just use a window that suits your argument?
LP - I'm disappointed with you. I had you down as one of the more educated and well informed posters on here and not one to fall into the ludicrous trap of assuming that we have to bus fans in, despite there having been plenty of evidence provided that the vast majority of these bused in fans, are long-term fans taking up the opportunity to use a cheap coach scheme laid on by their club.
You're I assume happy with the high ticketing price policy of SJ that leads to low ST uptake and ticket sales at Selhurst, ( that is unless you go on a good run, such as toward the end of last season and then we could see a 10k jump in gates at Selhurst) just because it means that those that get scammed and have to pay through the nose instantly become "loyal long-term supporters" and would rather this than CPFC offering loyalty based incentives and promotions that any other commercially viable operation would do? I also assume that you think the prawn sandwich brigade that have polluted clubs such as Chelsea and have priced out their traditionally loyal working class fan base are the "real supporters" and not just the fair weather fans?
To address your last point I think my Anne Robinson analogy explains my feelings on whether or not you feel the same way as me perfectly." No one hates us, I don't care". However the evidence provided by 2 separate census of fans would point to CAFC not being quite so insignificant as you would like us to be.
But if the bussed in fans are long term supporters where were they in about 1994 when your average gate was half what it is now? Charlton is a success story, you've gone from groundsharing at Selhurst to 20,000 plus crowds at the Valley in a few decades. There's nothing wrong with the efforts that your club has made to bring in new support and I agree that in this respect Simon Jordan could of learnt a few lessons from you. However on this and other threads you've made a point of saying how much bigger than us you think you are, yet at the same time you seem to understand why our gates our lower (SJ's prices etc). You say you are 'dissapointed' in my post, but hand on heart you have made some pretty provocative comments on here, yet at other times you talk sense. My point is that in broader scheme of things we are as big as you and if you go back to the 70's, 80's and 90's were bigger. It's peaks and troughs as I've said before. I don't understand your point about Chelsea, I think we're all agreed on the cancer to the game that is big 4 and particularly Chelsea.
As for the poll, it was one poll in the ES. Charlton aren't popular with Palace right now, we've had similar tiffs with Birmingham, Man Utd, Arsenal, QPR over the years. However I can assure you that most Palace fans do not regard yours as a serious rival. However the provocation from your club from boardroom level down to the supporters is bound to produce a response. |
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| CharltonDan |
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Originally posted by Radders
Your view from up there on your high horse seems very blinkered to the extent of what you accuse me of.
Twerp! I am aiming this at you because again, the arrogance you accuse me of is so clearly oozing out of your keyboard that I can only assume this is what you are.
YOUR naevity (excuse my spelling if thats not right) over the groundshare situations at both grounds shows your ignorance as to the situations. I didn't paint it as us 'doing you a favour' but simply as us providing somewhere for you to continue to fulfill your league fixtures at that time. Seeing as Charlton took Palace up on whatever offer they put on the table with regards to rent then I can only assume it was either the only or the best offer Charlton had. 'Doing you a favour' perhaps not but the option CPFC provided was certainly needed by CAFC.
You do like talking up your own words dont you?
"Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups"
Ive just explained above why we feel the way we do surrouding the groundshare and it has nothing to do with what you "assume" to be the reasons. |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
To address the point you made earlier CS (sorry missed it) its not the fact that you "took us in" but the arrogance we faced at all levels from club shop, catering staff at HT, to groundstaff and your board that rubbed CAFC staff and fans up the wrong way and this tongue in cheek attitude of "we did you a favour" just compounds that feeling.
To me this looks like a much nursed bitterness grown out of all proportion over time. Its psychologically much easier for you to blame all things Palace than be angry with the set of circumstances and mistakes at your own club that led to the situation.
You say Palace fans, but at the time, although I didnt want another club at Selhurst I did feel having you there was better than letting your club go out of existence, many of my mates felt the same way.
Us fans were not responsible for the deal made with/by Noades.
I felt the same way about Wimbledon when they shared, I didnt want them there, but better that than have them disappear.
Its a shame they turned into a franchise outfit, its good that you didnt.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Ok I come clean I do.....;)
Thought so. |
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Originally posted by New LP
But if the bussed in fans are long term supporters where were they in about 1994 when your average gate was half what it is now? Charlton is a success story, you've gone from groundsharing at Selhurst to 20,000 plus crowds at the Valley in a few decades. There's nothing wrong with the efforts that your club has made to bring in new support and I agree that in this respect Simon Jordan could of learnt a few lessons from you. However on this and other threads you've made a point of saying how much bigger than us you think you are, yet at the same time you seem to understand why our gates our lower (SJ's prices etc). You say you are 'dissapointed' in my post, but hand on heart you have made some pretty provocative comments on here, yet at other times you talk sense. My point is that in broader scheme of things we are as big as you and if you go back to the 70's, 80's and 90's were bigger. It's peaks and troughs as I've said before. I don't understand your point about Chelsea, I think we're all agreed on the cancer to the game that is big 4 and particularly Chelsea.
As for the poll, it was one poll in the ES. Charlton aren't popular with Palace right now, we've had similar tiffs with Birmingham, Man Utd, Arsenal, QPR over the years. However I can assure you that most Palace fans do not regard yours as a serious rival. However the provocation from your club from boardroom level down to the supporters is bound to produce a response.
I would suggest that the reason it was offered then wasnt because there was the need due to there being less fans coming to games full stop and perhaps us not having the financial position to be able to do so in any case.
There is no doubt that winning promotion to the PL in 98, the league championship in 2000 and our subsequent success boosted the interest across the South, however many of these "new" fans had some sort of link to CAFC previously and therefore its not quite the same situation as many would like to suggest. |
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Originally posted by celery stick
To me this looks like a much nursed bitterness grown out of all proportion over time. Its psychologically much easier for you to blame all things Palace than be angry with the set of circumstances and mistakes at your own club that led to the situation.
Don't get me wrong CS we all know who was at fault for us being in the position in the first place and yes I assume that you were not alone in feeling that it was better to have a club groundshare than go out of business, which I applaud you for, however there is no getting away from the fact from what I've said is the reason behind the feelings we harbour, if you like, over what happened during our spell at Selhurst. Lots of Palace fans wrongly assume it was just because we had to groundshare, and are baffled by this because they felt they were doing us a favour, however as I said earlier what is felt toward CPFC is not mirrored in what is felt toward WHUFC, and that should give you some clue....
Unless that is you idiotically assume its just because we get run by WHUFC:S: |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Don't get me wrong CS we all know who was at fault for us being in the position in the first place and yes I assume that you were not alone in feeling that it was better to have a club groundshare than go out of business, which I applaud you for
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
..however there is no getting away from the fact from what I've said is the reason behind the feelings we harbour, if you like, over what happened during our spell at Selhurst.
At least you're beginning to sound a bit more balanced.
This is good.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Lots of Palace fans wrongly assume it was just because we had to groundshare, and are baffled by this because they felt they were doing us a favour, however as I said earlier what is felt toward CPFC is not mirrored in what is felt toward WHUFC, and that should give you some clue....
Why didnt you go straight to West Ham then?
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| TBH I dont know the ins and outs of it but yes it did have a great deal to do with it (although we still needed to raise money and the sale of Rob Lee to Newcastle settled it). I think I remember someone saying it also had a lot to do with RN, him suggesting he was going to raise the rent and the club finally feeling that enough was enough with regard to the 2nd class status that we were being faced with by all levels of CPFC staff. |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
TBH I dont know the ins and outs of it but yes it did have a great deal to do with it (although we still needed to raise money and the sale of Rob Lee to Newcastle settled it). I think I remember someone saying it also had a lot to do with RN, him suggesting he was going to raise the rent and the club finally feeling that enough was enough with regard to the 2nd class status that we were being faced with by all levels of CPFC staff.
Do you think Palace fans dislike RN for a reason?
Do you think further think that during a ground share at another club you are likely to be treated as well as the club who owns the ground?
Further, do you think Palace staff are necessarily nice to Palace fans? |
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Originally posted by smileysmith
Do you think Palace fans dislike RN for a reason?
Do you think further think that during a ground share at another club you are likely to be treated as well as the club who owns the ground?
Further, do you think Palace staff are necessarily nice to Palace fans?
One of the main complaints I've heard is that we 'made them use a portakabin for their offices', our own club offices are still in portakabins now!:D |
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Originally posted by New LP
One of the main complaints I've heard is that we 'made them use a portakabin for their offices', our own club offices are still in portakabins now!:D
I can't help but think they are all slightly deluded. I mean, I admire Charlton for the way they run their own club. Maybe they assume all clubs are run as well?
Much as I love Palace, I hardly think we are the best run club in the world, nor have we been for quite some time ... |
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Originally posted by New LP
One of the main complaints I've heard is that we 'made them use a portakabin for their offices', our own club offices are still in portakabins now!:D
I think it was kafka that came out with that particular gem on these boards. |
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| CharltonDan |
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Originally posted by smileysmith
Do you think Palace fans dislike RN for a reason?
Do you think further think that during a ground share at another club you are likely to be treated as well as the club who owns the ground?
Further, do you think Palace staff are necessarily nice to Palace fans?
Cos he's a business man first and a Palace "fan" 2nd?
No but with hindsight it would have been nice to be treated with some modicum of civility....Perhaps in the same way the Dons were
I assume from what you've said then no. |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Cos he's a business man first and a Palace "fan" 2nd?
No but with hindsight it would have been nice to be treated with some modicum of civility....Perhaps in the same way the Dons were
I assume from what you've said then no.
Ron Noades always considered himself a fan. However, his recent attempt to sell Selhurst to a property developer (which turned out to be a front for Jordan) shows that he is a lot more of a business man than fan, if you get my drift. He would sell his own grandmother for a decent price. |
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| New LP |
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Originally posted by smileysmith
I can't help but think they are all slightly deluded. I mean, I admire Charlton for the way they run their own club. Maybe they assume all clubs are run as well?
Much as I love Palace, I hardly think we are the best run club in the world, nor have we been for quite some time ...
Bad service, rude staff, cruddy facilities, rude officious stewards...it's not just Charlton or Wimbledon who've had to endure these over the years. |
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Originally posted by New LP
Bad service, rude staff, cruddy facilities, rude officious stewards...it's not just Charlton or Wimbledon who've had to endure these over the years.
Are they really that bad even to Palace fans? Without this sounding like a backhanded dig, I've always found CAFC staff to be courteous, polite and customer focused.
Mind you its that age old issue of knowing that your customer base are unlikely to up sticks and start supporting someone else, as you would do if you suffered a similar level of customer service a Tesco for instance, and therefore being rather blasé about the need to treat your customer base correctly. |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
I've always found CAFC staff to be courteous, polite and customer focused.
You had to keep the customers happy or they would have gone to Craven Cottage for their Premier League experience.;) |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Cos he's a business man first and a Palace "fan" 2nd?
No but with hindsight it would have been nice to be treated with some modicum of civility....Perhaps in the same way the Dons were
I assume from what you've said then no.
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Are they really that bad even to Palace fans? Without this sounding like a backhanded dig, I've always found CAFC staff to be courteous, polite and customer focused.
LOL - I think we may finally be getting somewhere here ...
Apart from the Dons comment. I am quite sure they were treated as craply as Palace still are, and yourselves were. |
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| CharltonDan |
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Originally posted by Lambeth Palace
You had to keep the customers happy or they would have gone to Craven Cottage for their Premier League experience.;)
Or stayed at the Priestfield;) |
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Originally posted by smileysmith
LOL - I think we may finally be getting somewhere here ...
Apart from the Dons comment. I am quite sure they were treated as craply as Palace still are, and yourselves were.
Perhaps its just a Palace phenomena then as I know from speaking to people who are / were part of the CAFC set up that when we went to West Ham it was a breath of fresh air to be spoken to and dealt with without getting the feeling that we were like an unwanted over-staying house guest. |
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Since your time at Selhurst, you've been at Upton Park, and some time ago, much to everyones delight, you went home.
Physically you've moved on, now its time to do the same psychologically. |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
Cos he's a business man first and a Palace "fan" 2nd?
No but with hindsight it would have been nice to be treated with some modicum of civility....Perhaps in the same way the Dons were
I assume from what you've said then no.
Ron Noades was a Derby County fan - and if there was any reason that Wimbledon were treated any better than Charlton at SP - you only have to look as far as the fact that Noades was WFC Chairman from 1976-1980 and actually tried to merge Palace and Wimbledon on TWO occasions, which Palace and Wimbledon fans were vehemently against.
I used to watch loads of Charlton games at SP between 1985-90, but never bothered with Wimbledon matches, but the sour grapes were evident from both sets of fans long before the ground-share, so I think your talk of poor treatment by CPFC staff is a bit of a red haddock, sorry, herring.
I never had a problem with Charlton for over a decade watching Palace before the ground-share, sure, there were a few run-ins with some fans, but we got that with clubs like Oxford and Wrexham - and look where they are now!
When the ground-share was announced with Charlton, I personally went up to Noades and told him what a bad idea it was, from the point of view of Palace and Charlton 'losing their identity' - if anything I was proved wrong - but what I can remember from that time was that Noades bought the Freehold to SP, but he did'nt go out of his way to publicise the fact that Palace were also paying a lease to play at Selhurst, just as Charlton and then Wimbledon were. I like to think that I would cheerfully have ripped his head off his shoulders if I knew that at the time! |
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| Radders |
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Originally posted by CharltonDan
"Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups"
Ive just explained above why we feel the way we do surrouding the groundshare and it has nothing to do with what you "assume" to be the reasons.
Oooooh, how profound.:rolleyes:
That assumption was made as there was no other explaination forthcoming or evident.
For me, you havent really explained anything. You have skirted around various reasons without any of them giving a conscise explaination for you and your fellow fans hatred of Palace.
I echo the sentiments of one or two of my fellow posters over 2 main points.
1. Physically you've moved on, now its time to do the same psychologically.
2. Get over the idea that by having your games at Selhurst you were entitled to some sort of red carpet vip treatment. It was a business arrangement for Ron & co and somewhere to play games for you lot. All this whining about poor this and that is comical. |
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Originally posted by Radders
Oooooh, how profound.:rolleyes:
That assumption was made as there was no other explaination forthcoming or evident.
For me, you havent really explained anything. You have skirted around various reasons without any of them giving a conscise explaination for you and your fellow fans hatred of Palace.
I echo the sentiments of one or two of my fellow posters over 2 main points.
1. Physically you've moved on, now its time to do the same psychologically.
2. Get over the idea that by having your games at Selhurst you were entitled to some sort of red carpet vip treatment. It was a business arrangement for Ron & co and somewhere to play games for you lot. All this whining about poor this and that is comical.
Sorry so I'm supposed to go to lengths explaining why I'm not a twerp? Please......We're all adults here, discussing a topic in an adult fashion, and in you steam with your juvenile name calling. This sort of behaviour doesn't really lend itself to be taken seriously and being given the time of day now does it? If you don't want to be treated with the contempt your comment deserves then I suggest acting in a more grown up fashion as most other people on here have managed to do.
Whether you wish to believe the reasons I (and previous CAFC posters) have given for the feeling we harbour is up to you and quite frankly I'm not too bothered if you don't. |
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