| ebyeeckeagle |
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| PalaceFan in Alabama |
quote:
Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Easy street.
Maybe, but they still have to find someone who can get the ball in the back of the net on a regular basis. |
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| Farawayeagle |
quote:
Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
No wonder they moved to the Asian group. Easy street.
Yeah sure. Playing in 40 degree heat in the Middle East or in the humidity of Japan -- a piece of cake. Uzbekistan are a solid well organised (rough) team) too. So they will present a challenge. 24 hour trips for the European based players for the home games.
Nothing is easy in football these days. That's why England struggled to qualify for Euro. And I'm not saying that in an anti England way. Just a statement of fact.
It is an easier group than the other. But there are plenty of potential banana skins. |
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| chelmsfordeagle |
| I'd say the groups are pretty equal. I watched uzbekistan destroy Singapore and it was a HOT night. As said, they are a solid, very strong athlete team. They play some good football going forward though defence wise they are a bit static and really on their physical side to get ouot of trouble. I think they will be tough for both Australia and Japan to beat, though I'd expect them to come out on top in the end. For the other group I'd go for South Korea and Iran. Uzbekistan to beat New zealand in the play off. |
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| PeterH |
Itīs a guaranteed World Cup place everytime. What a sham.
If Australia donīt make it through or have to go into a play off, the Aussie posters need to keep themselves pretty quiet on here.
World force in 10 years, youīre having a laugh. |
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| oz_da II |
| How is it a sham, usual suspect #2? |
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| Oisin |
Asia is far tougher than CONCAF. Five teams for half the world's population isn't overkill.
The Gulf states punch well above their small size to have four out of ten sides left. I'm looking forward to seeing South Korea. |
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| Asagaya_Eagle |
| C'mon Japan!!!! |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
How is it a sham, usual suspect #2?
Itīs a guaranteed entry to the World Cup every 4 years. Even China with a Billion plus potential footballers couldnīt muster a team good enough to challenge. This is your group:
Australia
Bahrain
Japan
Qatar
Uzbekistan
If by chance you donīt finish in the top two, you still get another chance against the third place team in the other group. Then you get to play New Zealand or Samoa in the play off.
Not as tricky as playing the 5th placed South America team. I would say it is not as tricky as playing the 10th and last placed South American team.
Not a sham perhaps, but somewhat easier than it used to be. |
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| oz_da II |
| We're ranked #1 in Asia. :hi: |
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| PeterH |
FIFA Rankings (for what they are worth - 4th June 2008)
Australia - 35th
Bahrain - 72nd
Japan - 38th
Qatar - 83rd
Uzbekistan - 58th
Not one of these teams are in the Worldīs top 32 which is the number of places in the World Cup Finals. Yet, two or perhaps three will be given a berth.
Now letīs not have any silly celebrations when you qualify from this group of minnows. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
We're ranked #1 in Asia. :hi:
Youīre not in Asia. :confused: |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
Not one of these teams are in the Worldīs top 32 which is the number of places in the World Cup Finals. Yet, two or perhaps three will be given a berth.
One wonders why they bother with qualifiers why not just pick the top 32 teams from the ever reliable and accurate FIFA ranking system. |
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| chelmsfordeagle |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
FIFA Rankings (for what they are worth - 4th June 2008)
Australia - 35th
Bahrain - 72nd
Japan - 38th
Qatar - 83rd
Uzbekistan - 58th
Not one of these teams are in the Worldīs top 32 which is the number of places in the World Cup Finals. Yet, two or perhaps three will be given a berth.
Now letīs not have any silly celebrations when you qualify from this group of minnows.
in terms of quality gap I'd say its a bigger difference between Agentina and brazil and Mexico and USA to the rest of the countries in their zones.
And for me one of the great things about the world cup is seeing countries from all over the world. It would be a far more sterile tournament if over 20 teams were from europe (currently N. Ireland are ranked 32 in the world and 21st in europe)
this also raises another point mention by someone else about the rankings. Are N. Ireland really better than Australia and Japan, personally I doubt it. The ranking system although improved a few years ago still IMo doesnt give a great indication of overall rankings. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
One wonders why they bother with qualifiers why not just pick the top 32 teams from the ever reliable and accurate FIFA ranking system.
More reliable than a having a team from the end of the World having to squeeze into a continent they donīt belong in because the other continent had the risk of being a bit too tricky. :p
Come on you Socceroos. :lux: |
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| oz_da II |
Groundbreaking news here.
We're Asian, get used to it. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by chelmsfordeagle
in terms of quality gap I'd say its a bigger difference between Agentina and brazil and Mexico and USA to the rest of the countries in their zones.
And for me one of the great things about the world cup is seeing countries from all over the world. It would be a far more sterile tournament if over 20 teams were from europe (currently N. Ireland are ranked 32 in the world and 21st in europe)
this also raises another point mention by someone else about the rankings. Are N. Ireland really better than Australia and Japan, personally I doubt it. The ranking system although improved a few years ago still IMo doesnt give a great indication of overall rankings.
Agree with your points, I am only Aussie baiting. They get cheesed off very easily.
As for your first point, Brazil are none too clever at the moment, and Argentina are not firing on all cylinders. Paraguay are leading the qualifying. I think Brazil lost to both Venezuala and Paraguay. Of course I donīt doubt that Brazil will qualify (5 places I guess), but they may well not be in the top two of the South American this year. Paraguay have 13 points to Brazilīs 8, even if Brazil beat them araguay have to drop other points and they are playing very well at the moment. Uruguay and Chile are looking strong as well. Perhaps no Ecuador in South Africa.
Paraguay
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay
Then one from Colombia, Chile, Venezuala, Ecuador.
Peru and Bolivia look very poor. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
Groundbreaking news here.
We're Asian, get used to it.
Your positive immigration policies of recent years suggest that is what you want to be. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
Groundbreaking news here.
We're Asian, get used to it.
I heard that FIFA considered putting you in a group with Antartica, the Moon, The Falklands, and a Japanese Whaling ship. However, your FA thought that the Falkland Islanders might give you a tough game, so you turned down that idea. |
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| oz_da II |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
Itīs a guaranteed World Cup place everytime. What a sham.
If Australia donīt make it through or have to go into a play off, the Aussie posters need to keep themselves pretty quiet on here.
World force in 10 years, youīre having a laugh.
LOL, have a look at plucky England's 'Group of Death'.
Here's the betting to win the Group:
ENGLAND 1.85
CROATIA 2.20
UKRAINE 11.00
BELARUS 81.00
KAZAKHSTAN 751.00
ANDORRA 5001.00
Two spots up for grabs. Take out Belarus who are ranked 57 in the rankings, 1 place above Uzbekistan who according to you partly make up our "sham group". Then take out the mighty Boratland and the peerless Andorra and plucky England's task to qualify basically comes done to beating Ukraine home and away.
Best of luck plucky England in your group of death.
We do hope you don't manage to screw it up like you did in the Euro qualifiers. :p :D |
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| The Omen |
I see Australia's qualifying group as a disadvantage. They only get to play quality opposition once every 4 years. Will be hard for them to progress to compete against the South American and European teams.
It's better than their previous qualifying group though. I think they have found their level considering the struggle to get past the first qualifying stage.
Can't see them easily qualifying for South Africa to be honest - but I'm sure they will. |
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| bunghole |
| Well crafted Carl. ;) :D |
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| ozeagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
We do hope you don't manage to screw it up like you did in the Euro qualifiers. :p :D
are you kidding me?
no way. i hope they make it and get drawn in our group!!!
facile win for the Socceroos.
:hi: |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
Not as tricky as playing the 5th placed South America team. I would say it is not as tricky as playing the 10th and last placed South American team.
Not a sham perhaps, but somewhat easier than it used to be.
We qualified at the expense of the 5th placed Sth American side at the last WC.
Either you've forgotten that, or you find it difficult to keep up. :D |
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| chelmsfordeagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Two spots up for grabs. :p :D
No there isn't. europe has 13 places and there is 9 groups. I expect its winners go through and the 8 best placed runners up go into a 2 legged play off. |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by chelmsfordeagle
No there isn't. europe has 13 places and there is 9 groups. I expect its winners go through and the 8 best placed runners up go into a 2 legged play off.
Still not a difficult contract, especially for a country with England's pedigree. :) |
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| chelmsfordeagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Still not a difficult contract, especially for a country with England's pedigree. :)
two QF from the last world cup plus Croatia makes it fairly tough :-) but I'd expect England to win the group. For me the only group as tough is the france, romania, serbia group.
I'm not really an ozzie basher though. I think its good for them and asian football that they are in the asian section. and i think 5 teams is a fair representation for the world cup considering the quality and quantity of teams. It means those that qualify dont get whipped too often and also gives slighter lesser or developing nations like the uzbeks and qatar a chance of getting through. |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by chelmsfordeagle
two QF from the last world cup plus Croatia makes it fairly tough :-) but I'd expect England to win the group. For me the only group as tough is the france, romania, serbia group.
I'm not really an ozzie basher though. I think its good for them and asian football that they are in the asian section. and i think 5 teams is a fair representation for the world cup considering the quality and quantity of teams. It means those that qualify dont get whipped too often and also gives slighter lesser or developing nations like the uzbeks and qatar a chance of getting through.
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| philaire |
And please let's not quote FIFA rankings in any of this. The system is biased towards teams that get to play higher-ranked teams in fair-dinkum competitions on a regular basis. When Aus was back in Oceania, the S American play-off was the only non-friendly that allowed us to grab useful ranking points. And even in Asia, unless we played Japan regularly in meaningful competitions, we get nowhere. Not that Pim helped at all by engineering the Aussie 4th XI's loss against China in the recent WC dead rubber.
Middling European nations are regularly rewarded for sneaking a draw or an honourable loss against highly ranked teams in their group. |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by philaire
Middling European nations are regularly rewarded for sneaking a draw or an honourable loss against highly ranked teams in their group.
Or a win like Norn Ireland :o :lux: |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by philaire
Middling European nations are regularly rewarded for sneaking a draw or an honourable loss against highly ranked teams in their group.
Macedonia. :o :lux: |
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| TonysMumsabitch |
| The powerhouse that is Azerbaijan. |
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| saxoneagle |
| I hope Australia qualify but let's not kid ourselves - Australia is NOT in Asia in exactly the same way that Israel is not in Europe. |
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| oz_da II |
More Asian than Oceanic.
World Cup qualifying is regional not continental, if it was continental we'd be playing against ourselves... |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
LOL, have a look at plucky England's 'Group of Death'.
Here's the betting to win the Group:
ENGLAND 1.85
CROATIA 2.20
UKRAINE 11.00
BELARUS 81.00
KAZAKHSTAN 751.00
But Croatia are ranked somewhat higher than 32nd. In fact they may be ranked higher than England. I suspect Ukraine as a third team are ranked higher than the third placed ranking in your group. I suggest that any team not among the Worldīs best 32 teams shouldnīt be going to the World Cup, a tournament of 32 teams playing to see who the best in the World are.
Perhaps qualifying by eliminating a team currently in the 32 would be a fairer system. But perhaps you are not consistently good enough to do that. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by philaire
And please let's not quote FIFA rankings in any of this. The system is biased towards teams that get to play higher-ranked teams in fair-dinkum competitions on a regular basis. When Aus was back in Oceania, the S American play-off was the only non-friendly that allowed us to grab useful ranking points. And even in Asia, unless we played Japan regularly in meaningful competitions, we get nowhere. Not that Pim helped at all by engineering the Aussie 4th XI's loss against China in the recent WC dead rubber.
Not much point if your team donīt even bother turning up against Iraq. You wouldnīt want to play meaningful games against teams that might humiliate you. Oops you did that against Iraq. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
We qualified at the expense of the 5th placed Sth American side at the last WC.
Either you've forgotten that, or you find it difficult to keep up. :D
Of course I remember. You proved it was possible, even for a poor team from Australia. So why lose the bottle to do it that way again.
To be honest you should bribe Blatter to host it, then there will be no hiccups. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
We qualified at the expense of the 5th placed Sth American side at the last WC.
Either you've forgotten that, or you find it difficult to keep up. :D
Of course I remember. You proved it was possible, even for a poor team from Australia. So why lose the bottle to do it that way again, did you realise it was a fluke. Or too soft in the middle for another away leg in South America.
To be honest you should bribe Blatter to host it, then there will be no hiccups. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
You really donīt want to be drawn against a team from wherever that is.
That tumbleweed has got quite a left foot.
I suppose if your players are always lugging around a ball and chain you are at a bit of a disadvantage. |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
Of course I remember. You proved it was possible, even for a poor team from Australia. So why lose the bottle to do it that way again, did you realise it was a fluke. Or too soft in the middle for another away leg in South America.
To be honest you should bribe Blatter to host it, then there will be no hiccups.
You know why we're in the Asian Federation. It's been discussed on numerous threads.
You've fished in this area for too long. :S: |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
You really donīt want to be drawn against a team from wherever that is.
That tumbleweed has got quite a left foot.
I suppose if your players are always lugging around a ball and chain you are at a bit of a disadvantage.
If your replies were remotely clever or humourous I'd be able to have a laugh with you.
If you're going to keep posting in Australian football threads lift your game and please try better... |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
I suggest that any team not among the Worldīs best 32 teams shouldnīt be going to the World Cup, a tournament of 32 teams playing to see who the best in the World are.
Perhaps qualifying by eliminating a team currently in the 32 would be a fairer system. But perhaps you are not consistently good enough to do that.
Who took the sandwiches from PeterH's picnic? |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
You know why we're in the Asian Federation. It's been discussed on numerous threads.
You've fished in this area for too long. :S:
As the old BBS adage goes, one will always keep fishing when there are fishes willing to take the bait. Iīve reeled in a few beauties here. |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
If your replies were remotely clever or humourous I'd be able to have a laugh with you.
If you're going to keep posting in Australian football threads lift your game and please try better...
Says the man who thinks itīs original on the BBS to post a tumbleweed photo.
Iīm enjoying myself, and thatīs all that matters.
If Australians took their nationality any more seriously they would be Irish. |
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| oz_da II |
Where did I say it was original?
Your attempt at humour got the response it deserved. |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by PeterH
As the old BBS adage goes, one will always keep fishing when there are fishes willing to take the bait. Iīve reeled in a few beauties here.
I'd tip my hat to you if your fishing skills were amusing and/or original...
The bait hasn't been taken, you've just been told to move on that is all. |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by Peter the ex-Pom
As the old BBS adage goes, one will always keep fishing when there are fishes willing to take the bait. Iīve reeled in a few beauties here.
Jolly good for you. :p
See here's the thing. If you were English, you might be taken seriously. Thing is you're not, you're an ex-Pom. You walked out on the country of your birth to go and live elsewhere. We live in the country of our birth, you live far away from yours on the other side of the planet.
We take the REAL English fellas on here and what they have to say seriously, you know, the ones who actually LIVE in England. We also take seriously the REAL English fellas who may be living overseas for a while in order to enjoy a different culture, make some coin, gain some life experience etc. You don't fall into either of those categories. You're a turncoat.
It's clear that posting/making a fool of yourself on this thread or other Australian related threads, "Aussie baiting" as you put it, is one way by which you try to retain some sort of tangible link to your English origins. You must regret abandoning England, feel guilty for doing so.
Bet hey, please keep gibbering away on this thread if it makes you feel better, it's piss funny. Have to admit that I had a hearty laugh when you made reference to Australia being at the end of the world, or words to that effect. Comedic gold coming from a gibbering, bitter and twisted ex-Pom, living in Santiago Chile, the boondocks of South America.
ROFL. :D :lux:
Anyway, good luck to your team in their World Cup qualifiers Peter Notapom. :p
Go "Team Chile"!!! :p :lux: |
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| Adlerhorst |
quote:
Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
No wonder they moved to the Asian group. Easy street.
Now that's not fair - they moved to Asia as it was more competitive on a regular basis. :) And only having one competitive every four years was too hard. :( |
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| bunghole |
| Wow Adler, no more invisible mode? :confused: |
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| Adlerhorst |
| Forgot to turn it off |
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| bunghole |
| So what's your opinion on an appropriate WC qualifying path for us? |
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| Maidstoned Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Jolly good for you. :p
See here's the thing. If you were English, you might be taken seriously. Thing is you're not, you're an ex-Pom. You walked out on the country of your birth to go and live elsewhere. We live in the country of our birth, you live far away from yours on the other side of the planet.
We take the REAL English fellas on here and what they have to say seriously, you know, the ones who actually LIVE in England. We also take seriously the REAL English fellas who may be living overseas for a while in order to enjoy a different culture, make some coin, gain some life experience etc. You don't fall into either of those categories. You're a turncoat.
It's clear that posting/making a fool of yourself on this thread or other Australian related threads, "Aussie baiting" as you put it, is one way by which you try to retain some sort of tangible link to your English origins. You must regret abandoning England, feel guilty for doing so.
Bloody convict. |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by Maidstoned Eagle
Bloody convict.
:D :hi:
I should've added that we take the blokes living in Espanashire seriously too. :p |
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| Maidstoned Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
:D :hi:
I should've added that we take the blokes living in Espanashire seriously too. :p
Thats because you know we'd beat you up if you didn't.:D |
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| bunghole |
| Indeed. :eek: :D |
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| Adlerhorst |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
So what's your opinion on an appropriate WC qualifying path for us?
There was nothing wrong with it before.
However given your nation's desire for more competitive games, Europe makes more sense than Asia. You'd get more competitive matches. Your players would not have to travel so far. More of the Australian public would get to see the matches. You could take over Loftus Road as your new home from home national stadium when QPR move out. Culturally it is closer |
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| Maidstoned Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
You could take over Loftus Road as your new home from home national stadium when QPR move out. Culturally it is closer
Eh? Sheperds Bush is a shithole, full of crooks and scam artists who spend their days falling out of pubs and vomiting on the pavement..... maybe you're right. |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
There was nothing wrong with it before.
Yes there was
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Culturally it is closer
No it isn't |
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| Adlerhorst |
quote:
Originally posted by oz_da II
No it isn't
If you say so.
How come you are not all working in Japan then. |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
There was nothing wrong with it before.
Say what, Adler? :eek:
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
However given your nation's desire for more competitive games, Europe makes more sense than Asia. You'd get more competitive matches. Your players would not have to travel so far. More of the Australian public would get to see the matches. You could take over Loftus Road as your new home from home national stadium when QPR move out. Culturally it is closer
If you're going to have us playing in Europe, then FIFA may as well ditch geographic qualifying groups and simply draw countries names out of the hat. We're getting more competitive games in Asia than we used to through Oceania, we're in the general vicinity, it's the most logical fit. |
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| Adlerhorst |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Say what, Adler? :eek:
If you're going to have us playing in Europe, then FIFA may as well ditch geographic qualifying groups and simply draw countries names out of the hat. We're getting more competitive games in Asia than we used to through Oceania, we're in the general vicinity, it's the most logical fit.
The rest of us were happy - you were the only ones complaining. I would have you play where you were playing in the first place. You know, where you lot are from
Anyway the whole thing stinks, and as a result i will enjoy it if an Asian nation qualifies instead of you. :) |
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| bunghole |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
The Poms were happy because it disadvantaged the Aussies - but the rest of the world couldn't care less.
EFA
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
I would have you play where you were playing in the first place. You know, where you lot are from.
So you'd have us qualifying directly through Oceania? :eek: None of us think that.
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Anyway the whole thing stinks.
Why is that? :confused:
We're no more Sth American than we are Asian, so I can't see how you could feel so strongly about one qualifying path, over another.
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
i will enjoy it if an Asian nation qualifies instead of you. :)
Go Croatia & Ukraine. :) |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
If you say so.
How come you are not all working in Japan then.
There are many Australians working in Japan...
There are many Japanese people working, studying and living here.
The same goes for most of the SE Asian nations, we're far more Asian than we are European.
Funny how no one is bothered or strongly disagree with Australia joining the Asian Football Confederation except the English.
Nice edit, bung. Spot on :p |
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| oz_da II |
quote:
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
The rest of us were happy - you were the only ones complaining. I would have you play where you were playing in the first place. You know, where you lot are from
Anyway the whole thing stinks, and as a result i will enjoy it if an Asian nation qualifies instead of you. :)
The only reason you were happy because it was a ridiculous set up.
"You know, where you lot are from"
Enlighten me on this quote, please (interesting use of a comma). |
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| bunghole |
| Methinks Adler's having a subtle dig at me with respect to my friendly response to the maniacal PeterH. ;) :D |
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| saxoneagle |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Jolly good for you. :p
See here's the thing. If you were English, you might be taken seriously. Thing is you're not, you're an ex-Pom. You walked out on the country of your birth to go and live elsewhere. We live in the country of our birth, you live far away from yours on the other side of the planet.
We take the REAL English fellas on here and what they have to say seriously, you know, the ones who actually LIVE in England. We also take seriously the REAL English fellas who may be living overseas for a while in order to enjoy a different culture, make some coin, gain some life experience etc. You don't fall into either of those categories. You're a turncoat.
It's clear that posting/making a fool of yourself on this thread or other Australian related threads, "Aussie baiting" as you put it, is one way by which you try to retain some sort of tangible link to your English origins. You must regret abandoning England, feel guilty for doing so.
Bet hey, please keep gibbering away on this thread if it makes you feel better, it's piss funny. Have to admit that I had a hearty laugh when you made reference to Australia being at the end of the world, or words to that effect. Comedic gold coming from a gibbering, bitter and twisted ex-Pom, living in Santiago Chile, the boondocks of South America.
ROFL. :D :lux:
Anyway, good luck to your team in their World Cup qualifiers Peter Notapom. :p
Go "Team Chile"!!! :p :lux:
How does not living in England make one less English? When I take my dog to the stable, does it become a horse, too? ;)
I'm sure all those Aussies living in London would appreciate your sentiment that they are now proper Englishmen, too :D |
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| ozeagle |
| nothing to see here, EO |
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| PeterH |
quote:
Originally posted by bunghole
Jolly good for you. :p
See here's the thing. If you were English, you might be taken seriously. Thing is you're not, you're an ex-Pom. You walked out on the country of your birth to go and live elsewhere. We live in the country of our birth, you live far away from yours on the other side of the planet.
We take the REAL English fellas on here and what they have to say seriously, you know, the ones who actually LIVE in England. We also take seriously the REAL English fellas who may be living overseas for a while in order to enjoy a different culture, make some coin, gain some life experience etc. You don't fall into either of those categories. You're a turncoat.
It's clear that posting/making a fool of yourself on this thread or other Australian related threads, "Aussie baiting" as you put it, is one way by which you try to retain some sort of tangible link to your English origins. You must regret abandoning England, feel guilty for doing so.
Bet hey, please keep gibbering away on this thread if it makes you feel better, it's piss funny. Have to admit that I had a hearty laugh when you made reference to Australia being at the end of the world, or words to that effect. Comedic gold coming from a gibbering, bitter and twisted ex-Pom, living in Santiago Chile, the boondocks of South America.
ROFL. :D :lux:
Anyway, good luck to your team in their World Cup qualifiers Peter Notapom. :p
Go "Team Chile"!!! :p :lux:
On that basis of thinking answer this:
What justification have you for supporting Crystal Palace?
I have abandoned a geographical land mass that people have termed England. I am still English. I like Chile, but I havenīt applied for citizenship here. Your post was nonsense, in fact it was probably insulting ansd sums up what we all know about Australians not being able to take a bit of banter. You love giving it large everytime you hammer us at cricket. In fact you are fighting to get to the front of the queue. Any sporting defeat and you are off sulking in the corner.
I quite liked Australia when I visited (twice). And there are a few good chaps on here. Despite that, I foundthe country to be lacking in soul. Sydney was all design over substance, and what must have been a really nice city, Melbourne, had its social life completely dominated by a casino. Add that to rows of slots machines in many pubs and I think we have a land suffering a cultural hiatus. Miles upon miles of sprawling suburbs, and beer that tastes like piss. Okay, I havenīt been to Cairns or Brisbane, but I doubt I am missing much in the latter. The centre is a big desert with a weird, but not particularly exciting geographical formation in the centre, and the North an unpleasant swamp.
I have always seen Australia as New Zealands poorer cousin.
But as you donīt regard me as English, seemingly the exception to the rule regrading all the ex-pats on here, I will take my leave of this thread.
If you canīt get involved in a bit of normal football banter without of abuse, I wonīt play anymore. Take you wonderful, yet utterly insignificant country and all threads related to it, and stick them where the sun donīt shine.
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| PeterH |
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Originally posted by saxoneagle
How does not living in England make one less English? When I take my dog to the stable, does it become a horse, too? ;)
I'm sure all those Aussies living in London would appreciate your sentiment that they are now proper Englishmen, too :D
No, you see he has been very careful there. After they have leeched from the Mother country for a while, like the parasites they are, they go back to Oz with another pennies saved to buy some godforsaken house in the suburbs. Then they drink tinnies around the barbie and celebrate cricket wins for the 50 years, smugly telling all and sundry how they bought their house outright from working 3 years in Blighty.
Yet, they make it increasingly difficult for Poms to live and work in AustralAsia.
Good at changing geography and apparantly peopleīs nationality when trying to prove a point. Too much sun addles the brains. |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by PeterH
Caio.
Take care getting that hook out of your mouth, mate... |
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| PeterH |
It wasnīt a hook, it was an insult. I donīt go around telling people they have abandoned their nationalities. I will always be English. Chile is the most English of all Latin American countries. I made a difficult decision to come here, one that was more practical than trying to get my brood to London.
I wouldnīt mind moving back home, but house prices and the stress that goes with a job that pays enough to live in London, make it a big no.
I plan to visit next year, I wouldnīt be bothered about doing so if there wasnīt things I missed terribly.
As for the England Football Team, I agree with Bumhole there. I came close to abandoning them under McLaren. If the players canīt be bothered to perform for the new coach, then I will only take a passing interest in them in the future. I think many memebers of England Fans feel the same. The decline of the importance of the National Team and the FA Cup underline how all of football is only interested in money. Unfortunately, I have with Palace because they are in the blood, in a way that England once were. I am sick of arguing the toss with top four fans telling me how Gerrard, Terry and Lampard are World Class when evidently they are not proved to be anything of the sort.
Anyway, good luck in your qualifying games, I suspect you may need it. |
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| oz_da II |
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| Adlerhorst |
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Originally posted by bunghole
EFA
I actually resent that, i'm not remotely anti-australian.
I have as much antipathy to Australia as i do to Charlton as a Palace fan. At worst i feel mild indifference to Australia. (Though this goes out the window when we play you directly at something important, like cricket. :) )
If, say, England decided that the European route was too difficult and decided that we would move to the North American route i'd be equally against that too. |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
If, say, England decided that the European route was too difficult and decided that we would move to the North American route i'd be equally against that too.
Quick question. Why do you keep missing the point of Australia joining the AFC?
As told and explained by many on these threads World Cup qualifying is not the main reason. |
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| bunghole |
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Originally posted by saxoneagle
How does not living in England make one less English? When I take my dog to the stable, does it become a horse, too? ;)
I'm sure all those Aussies living in London would appreciate your sentiment that they are now proper Englishmen, too :D
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| ebyeeckeagle |
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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
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If, say, England decided that the European route was too difficult and decided that we would move to the North American route i'd be equally against that too.
Adler. I think they lucked out with their group, but the inclusion of Oz in an Asia group make as much sense as anything.
What the hell is Oceania? Aside from the Orwellian aspect, it is a vague collective, originally referring to the Poly and Micro islands. Us playing a Concaf country makes as much sense as a play-off between Oz and a South American country.
Go to parts of Syndey and elsewhere - you'll soon see the Asian influence.
Otherwise keep everything strictly continental. Oz will qualify everytime! |
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| Adlerhorst |
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Originally posted by oz_da II
Quick question. Why do you keep missing the point of Australia joining the AFC?
As told and explained by many on these threads World Cup qualifying is not the main reason.
You are not going to try and run the 'it'll improve us as a footballing nation' argument are you?
If that was the case why did the FFA approach the AFC in secret as opposed to asking FIFA to move, and making a public approach to the AFC.
I often wondered if money was involved. And you only had to look at the AFC official comments at the time to understand that it was.
Anyway - you have what you want - be it an easier qualifying route or the apparent improvement in your players that will come from not having to play the Cook Islands. |
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| bunghole |
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Originally posted by oz_da II
Quick question. Why do you keep missing the point of Australia joining the AFC?
As told and explained by many on these threads World Cup qualifying is not the main reason.
Adler's just bitter, VERY bitter about many Aus v Eng sporting results oz_da and admitted as much during one pissed up, late night, ranting post a while back. That's the motivation behind his strong objections to the non-issue of which qualifying group we're in.
I'd be bitter too if I were him tbh, so it's understandable that he's taking the opportunity to come to these threads and release some pent up anti-Aussie frustration, albeit under the camouflage of pretending to care about which group we're in. :) |
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| Adlerhorst |
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Originally posted by bunghole
Adler's just bitter, VERY bitter about many Aus v Eng sporting results oz_da and admitted as much during one pissed up, late night, ranting post a while back. That's the motivation behind his strong objections to the non-issue of which qualifying group we're in.
I'd be bitter too if I were him tbh, so it's understandable that he's taking the opportunity to come to these threads and release some pent up anti-Aussie frustration, albeit under the camouflage of pretending to care about which group we're in. :)
Don't be silly - i say lot sof rubbish when i'm drunk. I've declared my undying love to a lamppost before now. |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Anyway - you have what you want - be it an easier qualifying route or the apparent improvement in your players that will come from not having to play the Cook Islands.
Ok, let's pull England out of UEFA and put them in a WC qualifying group with Greenland, the Faroes and Iceland. You can play friendlies against the likes of Macedonia and Norn Ireland once in a while (no EURO's every four years) and then head down to South America once every 4 years and playoff against the 5th best side to get into the World Cup.
Sound like fun? |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Adler. I think they lucked out with their group, but the inclusion of Oz in an Asia group make as much sense as anything.
What the hell is Oceania? Aside from the Orwellian aspect, it is a vague collective, originally referring to the Poly and Micro islands. Us playing a Concaf country makes as much sense as a play-off between Oz and a South American country.
Go to parts of Syndey and elsewhere - you'll soon see the Asian influence.
Otherwise keep everything strictly continental. Oz will qualify everytime!
Well I'll be, someone talking sense. Well played. |
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| Adlerhorst |
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Originally posted by oz_da II
Ok, let's pull England out of UEFA and put them in a WC qualifying group with Greenland, the Faroes and Iceland. You can play friendlies against the likes of Macedonia and Norn Ireland once in a while (no EURO's every four years) and then head down to South America once every 4 years and playoff against the 5th best side to get into the World Cup.
Sound like fun?
You are mistaking me for someone who gives a shit about the English football team.
However if that is where i was geographically located then i don't see that there was much i could do about it. I might try organising some sensible (and competitive) friendlies though. Many ways that could have been done that the FFA didn't adopt.
Anyway - as i said before - you have what you want. But let's get a bit realistic about all this. If there was a qualifying spot for Oceania you wouldn't have left (despite the fact you would not have 'improved as a footballing nation').
I have no real issue with Oceania having a qualifying spot btw. |
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| bunghole |
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Originally posted by oz_da II
Anyone got a tissue for the Chilean loon?
:D :lux: |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Anyway - as i said before - you have what you want. But let's get a bit realistic about all this. If there was a qualifying spot for Oceania you wouldn't have left (despite the fact you would not have 'improved as a footballing nation').
I'd have hoped we would leave, friendlies and one tournament every 4 years is very dull. |
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| Adlerhorst |
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Originally posted by oz_da II
I'd have hoped we would leave, friendlies and one tournament every 4 years is very dull.
Perhaps you would, however the Australian FFA would not (no one's would).
And that's the point. Their argument is a big pile of horse manure for that very reason. |
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| ozeagle |
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Originally posted by PeterH
Melbourne, had its social life completely dominated by a casino.
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| kolinkins |
Adlerhorst is pretty much spot on on this thread
The whole idea behind the move is to avoid having to play against 1 difficult team every 4 years. Nothing more, nothing less
Some of their attempts on this thread at justifying the move are laughable.
This isnt an anti-Australian viewpoint BTW - I happened to enjoy some of the football you guys played in 06. But it was following a well earned qualification. From here on in, it wont be (and it is robbing a real Asian country of a place in effect). |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by kolinkins
Adlerhorst is pretty much spot on on this thread
The whole idea behind the move is to avoid having to play against 1 difficult team every 4 years. Nothing more, nothing less
Some of their attempts on this thread at justifying the move are laughable.
This isnt an anti-Australian viewpoint BTW - I happened to enjoy some of the football you guys played in 06. But it was following a well earned qualification. From here on in, it wont be (and it is robbing a real Asian country of a place in effect).
Another clueless buffoon.
We want to play more games and more tournaments (Asian Cup qualifiers, the Asian Cup and World Cup qualifiers). It really isn't difficult to comprehend.
We want more than just one difficult game every four years. |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Perhaps you would, however the Australian FFA would not (no one's would).
And that's the point. Their argument is a big pile of horse manure for that very reason.
So you can 100% vouch for the FFA and everyone else's Federation?
You can't.
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| kolinkins |
| Why not have a free for all then - let any nation who wants more games and more tournaments play anywhere they wish? Imagine if this was cricket and India were the team in question. I bet the Aussies on this thread would have different opinions. |
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| oz_da II |
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Originally posted by kolinkins
Why not have a free for all then - let any nation who wants more games and more tournaments play anywhere they wish? Imagine if this was cricket and India were the team in question. I bet the Aussies on this thread would have different opinions.
If India were playing Fiji and Bermuda for fours years and getting one go at England or Australia every four years I'm sure there would be a lot of opinions saying India should get a fairer go.
Every other nation has two tournaments, why shouldn't Australia get two?
Your argument is piss weak. |
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| kolinkins |
| Does every other nation in Oceania get 2 tournaments then? |
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| oz_da II |
| They should be playing a tournament where the winner gets into qualifying for the Asian Cup. Bit of a waste of time though as any Sunday Pub League XI from the back end of Bourke could beat them. |
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| kolinkins |
| So where you say "Every other nation has two tournaments", actually is not true. Yes, my argument is piss weak.... |
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| oz_da II |
They play the OFC Nations Cup. It was a complete waste of time for Australia where we would send in our "D" XI.
Yes, your argument is piss weak. |
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| kolinkins |
| So you do get to play 2 tournaments, you just dont happen to like one. |
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| oz_da II |
| Complete waste of time. |
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