| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by Men At Work
From a long-distance point of view I'd like to know ----- if there's a DVD afterwards.
I think that's why that knob Salako must be there.
He's going to do the commentary, cos he's a big time Sky presenter (one of the first, you know).
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Always so over-hyped and couldn't wait to abandon ship once we were struggling.
Tho he did hit the post in an England "B" game once - wow, what a legend!!
Why on earth would Dougie Freedman want to associate homself with a clown like that? |
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| 917L |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
I think that's why that knob Salako must be there.
He's going to do the commentary, cos he's a big time Sky presenter (one of the first, you know).
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Always so over-hyped and couldn't wait to abandon ship once we were struggling.
Tho he did hit the post in an England "B" game once - wow, what a legend!!
Why on earth would Dougie Freedman want to associate homself with a clown like that?
You are tallking total shit
Salad was a great servant to Place as a player, and he always supports the club, at least ant time I'v eseen him commentate he has |
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| orp pisshead1 |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
I think that's why that knob Salako must be there.
He's going to do the commentary, cos he's a big time Sky presenter (one of the first, you know).
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Always so over-hyped and couldn't wait to abandon ship once we were struggling.
Tho he did hit the post in an England "B" game once - wow, what a legend!!
Why on earth would Dougie Freedman want to associate homself with a clown like that?
Salad was talking bout palace on talksport prior to the bristol city games and said we(as in palace)a lot. The other presenter even said you could hear his passion for palace. And got a dig in at the clowns n millwall as well:lux: |
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| GDP |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
I think that's why that knob Salako must be there.
He's going to do the commentary, cos he's a big time Sky presenter (one of the first, you know).
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Always so over-hyped and couldn't wait to abandon ship once we were struggling.
Tho he did hit the post in an England "B" game once - wow, what a legend!!
Why on earth would Dougie Freedman want to associate homself with a clown like that?
??????????????????
What the hells all that about?
Salad is a Palace legend, hes always got good things to say about us on the box. |
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| DJ Laz |
Sorry lads, obviously hit a bit of a nerve there.
But really, what would make him a legend?
I know for a fact that before signing for Fulham towards the end of his career (when he had really mastered the balloon cross) he 'phoned a Palace representative and said he would come back to us if we paid him 5k a week.
Clearly a legend in his own mind then!
But I am open to being mistaken in my assessment of the guy.
What would make him qualify as a Palace legend? |
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| 917L |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
What would make him qualify as a Palace legend?
9 years at the club, from apprentice to England international
Nearly 300 games/ 30 odd goals
Was an integral part of the most succesful Palace side of all time
What else do you expect?
And Fulham wasnt anywhere near the end of his career |
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| Freddy Kurz |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Sorry lads, obviously hit a bit of a nerve there.
But really, what would make him a legend?
I know for a fact that before signing for Fulham towards the end of his career (when he had really mastered the balloon cross) he 'phoned a Palace representative and said he would come back to us if we paid him 5k a week.
Clearly a legend in his own mind then!
But I am open to being mistaken in my assessment of the guy.
What would make him qualify as a Palace legend?
John Salako is a true legend for Palace and was developing into
an international class winger until he received a cruel cruciate-
ligament injury playing for Palace against Leeds United at
Selhurst Park. He was only able to return to the game
after extremely costly complex surgery in the USA in which
he had a dead-person's ligament grafted into his knee.
Thanks to this surgery and his personal courage and
determination he was able to resume his professional
career, but was never able to recapture the form that
won him earlier full England international recognition
and a regular place in Palace's First Division team.
Since his departure from the club whether as a player
with a number of other clubs or as a member of the
media he has remained a good friend of CPFC and
our supporters, a number of whom have regularly
played golf with him.
.
If you hadn't the faintest idea about John Salako
and knew nothing of his background as a player
who came through Palace's Junior ranks to play
for the club at elite Football League level and
then as an English international winger before
his injury, wouldn't it have been better to have
said nothing about him?
The Palace player whose character you have
attempted to blacken, had the great distinction
of playing in the winning side that beat Liverpool
in the Semi-Final at Villa Park in 1990 which was
to take Palace to it's very first FA Cup Final at
Wembley, and not only played a distinguished
part in that Final against Manchester United
in which we drew 3-3 after extra-time but
also in the replay when we only lost to a
last gasp goal by Martin. Salako was only
21 at the time.
For the record, John's England international record
before it was cut short by injury was as follows:
1991 (sub v Australia); (sub + 1 v New Zealand);
1 v Malaysia; 1992 1 v Germany. Total 5 caps. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
[i]
For the record, John's England international record
before it was cut short by injury was as follows:
1991 (sub v Australia); (sub + 1 v New Zealand);
1 v Malaysia; 1992 1 v Germany. Total 5 caps. [/B]
Thanks.
Which of these games did he hit the post in?
And the 'phone call and 5k bit is a fact.
Not trying to "blacken his name" as you put it - he was a decent pro and a bit of a cheeky chappy.
But a legend - don't make me laugh.
I'm not sure of my facts here, but I suspect Bruce Dyer can almost match Salakos stats and is certainly as big a character and as pro-palace as he is. In fact, he's a splendid guy, who I have only ever heard be positive about Palace, unlike Salako over the years.
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys. |
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| Friskey |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Thanks.
Which of these games did he hit the post in?
And the 'phone call and 5k bit is a fact.
Not trying to "blacken his name" as you put it - he was a decent pro and a bit of a cheeky chappy.
But a legend - don't make me laugh.
I'm not sure of my facts here, but I suspect Bruce Dyer can almost match Salakos stats and is certainly as big a character and as pro-palace as he is. In fact, he's a splendid guy, who I have only ever heard be positive about Palace, unlike Salako over the years.
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys.
Im sorry but you really havent got a clue. |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys.
I would say John Salako is just as much of a Palace legend as Clinton Morrison. If you don't think people like Salako qualify then how on earth do you suppose Clinton does.
Salako may not be in the legendary status of a David Hopkin, Geoff Thomas, AJ , Wrighty, Brighty, Dougie, Cannon etc, but the fact is nobody knows just how good he could have been had he not got that injury. He was never the same again!
As for comparing him to Bruce Dyer, I assume you never saw him play! |
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| Dorking .Eagle |
| Salako is definitely a Palace legend IMO. Saw him up at West Brom last season and he's still in touch with loads of Palace old pros. He's every bit as much of a legend as, say, Morrison. |
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| Ruskin Old Boy |
| Salako is a regular at Selhurst Park, usually sits with Jim Cannon. |
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| trickyricky66 |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Thanks.
Which of these games did he hit the post in?
And the 'phone call and 5k bit is a fact.
Not trying to "blacken his name" as you put it - he was a decent pro and a bit of a cheeky chappy.
But a legend - don't make me laugh.
I'm not sure of my facts here, but I suspect Bruce Dyer can almost match Salakos stats and is certainly as big a character and as pro-palace as he is. In fact, he's a splendid guy, who I have only ever heard be positive about Palace, unlike Salako over the years.
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys.
Sorry mate but you dont have a scooby with your comment on Johnny |
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| Beanie |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Why on earth would Dougie Freedman want to associate homself with a clown like that?
Never heard him slag Palace off - and whilst I don't hear him myself as I'm at the game he's my mother's favourite "Soccer Saturday" guy for the simple reason he always sticks up for Palace (although he's not averse to saying we playing rubbish if we are!)
Perhaps Freedman is "associating himself" with Salako because they've met on Salako's visits to and he recognises a kindred Palace spirit, or just a friend.
Keep up the comedy writing though - the line about Dyer and Salako was one of the funniest I've ever come across, having seen both often at Selhurst, as I suspect you haven't. |
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| New LP |
| John Salako is a great player from our past and it would be great of he's there. Some nonsense being said on here. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by Beanie
Keep up the comedy writing though - the line about Dyer and Salako was one of the funniest I've ever come across, having seen both often at Selhurst, as I suspect you haven't.
I've been to the odd game or 2.
Well about 1500 in the last 25-30 years, having seen Palace on 76 different league grounds in that time.
Not as much as some I know, but probably far more than most.
I think that qualifies me to make a comment.
Unlike some of the speccy geeks who share their drivel on here.
Obviously, through weight of opinion, Salako is a minor Palace legend to many.
So, what game did he hit the post in? |
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| Away Day Eagle |
quote:
Originally posted by 917L
9 years at the club, from apprentice to England international
Nearly 300 games/ 30 odd goals
Was an integral part of the most succesful Palace side of all time
What else do you expect?
And Fulham wasnt anywhere near the end of his career
Is this the same player that left for Coventry to "win trophies" ?
I think DJ Laz is a bit too close to the mark for many on here and has it about right. |
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| Neil the Eagle |
Personally, I think he's well wide of it, but there's two sides to every story including, I suspect, that phone call.
The unneccessary abuse of other members doesn't really help get his point across though. |
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| David Amsalem |
| The word legend gets thrown around far too easily but Salako is a better candidate then many of the names I've seen on here before. |
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| embryo eagle |
| Scandalous thread. John Salako is an absolute Palace legend. |
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| David |
| Legends are people like David Hopkin, Neil Shipperley, Andy Johnson, Peter Taylor, Geoff Thomas, Alan Pardew etc..............People like John Salako were part of a legendary Palace team (1989-1992), but he isn't a bigger legend then any of the above. |
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| Heb 7:4 |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
And, as per usual, he will slag Palace off.
Different opinions are what the BBS is about, but this bit is just utter shit. Sorry. When has Salako ever slagged us off? He always bigs us up on Sky or commentary and usually talks about us as "we"? |
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| lukethomas_01 |
| absolutly ridiculous... my favourite player ever at palace along with Geoff Thomas and loved the red and blue. Never forget his crosses and mazy runs.. |
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| Micky Spilane |
| What utter diatribe, to say he isn't a Palace legend, words do actually fail me! |
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| orp pisshead1 |
quote:
Originally posted by David
Legends are people like David Hopkin, Neil Shipperley, Andy Johnson, Peter Taylor, Geoff Thomas, Alan Pardew etc..............People like John Salako were part of a legendary Palace team (1989-1992), but he isn't a bigger legend then any of the above.
While i agree GT,PT and AJ are ahead of salako no way imo should shipps, hopkin and pardew of course they all had their big moments in cpfc history but ahead of a youth product who went on to play for england nah. At end of day its how you define a legend status at your club. |
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| AddiscombeEagle |
I think people give the tag legend a bit too easily to be honest, so I can see where the original poster is coming from.
From my own personal perspective, I would say that Salako is borderline in the legend stakes, but then probably disagreeing with the majority, I would say that AJ falls into the borderline category as well. Hopkin doesn’t get close in my book, a legendary goal and an important handball does not make him a legend in my book.
In my book you devalue the status of true legends when you put too many into that category. I loved Ships as a Palace player more than most, but again he doesn’t get close to the legendary status. |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by orp pisshead1
While i agree GT,PT and AJ are ahead of salako no way imo should shipps, hopkin and pardew of course they all had their big moments in cpfc history but ahead of a youth product who went on to play for england nah. At end of day its how you define a legend status at your club.
Hopkin v Sheff Utd + handball that lead to Dougie's goal at Stockport.
Shipps v West Ham
Pardew v Liverpool
These are all iconic moments in Palace history and put them firmly into legendary status.
Salako is a legend I agree but he never scored the winner in a relegation match or a semi final so I think he must come behind those three. |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by AddiscombeEagle
I think people give the tag legend a bit too easily to be honest, so I can see where the original poster is coming from.
From my own personal perspective, I would say that Salako is borderline in the legend stakes, but then probably disagreeing with the majority, I would say that AJ falls into the borderline category as well. Hopkin doesn’t get close in my book, a legendary goal and an important handball does not make him a legend in my book.
In my book you devalue the status of true legends when you put too many into that category. I loved Ships as a Palace player more than most, but again he doesn’t get close to the legendary status.
I really don't see what more you can do to become a legend if Hopkin's £30million last gasp goal, Shipperley's £30million goal or AJ's goal scoring record doesn't make these qualify as legends. |
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| Nelson Muntz |
| Salako did really well for Palace I liked him. Sadly, these days he thinks he's a little more important than he is. |
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| AddiscombeEagle |
Legends in my book are about loyalty, about ability, not about one off moments. They are legendary moments which is different.
And in terms of AJ. Where is Chris Armstrong in your list, he had a fantastic goal scoring record and ability. I don’t consider him a legend, but I consider him an equal to AJ in some respects, personally I believe he was a better player with maybe a worse attitude. |
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| west country boy |
quote:
Originally posted by David
Hopkin v Sheff Utd + handball that lead to Dougie's goal at Stockport.
Shipps v West Ham
Pardew v Liverpool
These are all iconic moments in Palace history and put them firmly into legendary status.
Salako is a legend I agree but he never scored the winner in a relegation match or a semi final so I think he must come behind those three.
Although not as important, him scoring twice at Highbury in 1994 when we beat Arsenal 2-1 was a pretty special moment (as well as being my first Palace match after moving to London). |
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| Man of Kent |
quote:
Originally posted by AddiscombeEagle
I think people give the tag legend a bit too easily to be honest, so I can see where the original poster is coming from.
From my own personal perspective, I would say that Salako is borderline in the legend stakes, but then probably disagreeing with the majority, I would say that AJ falls into the borderline category as well. Hopkin doesn’t get close in my book, a legendary goal and an important handball does not make him a legend in my book.
In my book you devalue the status of true legends when you put too many into that category. I loved Ships as a Palace player more than most, but again he doesn’t get close to the legendary status.
Spot on.
AJ was good for two seasons.
Hopkins for one, (and a game.)
Salako was excellent, but not legendary.
If only people on these boards would get some sense of perspective. |
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| silverymoon |
| Great player. As close to legendary status as anyone. How anyone can put Pardew as a legend beats me. One great goal to get into the cup final. Apart from that I always wondered how he got in the team. |
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| stevek |
quote:
Originally posted by David
Hopkin v Sheff Utd + handball that lead to Dougie's goal at Stockport.
Shipps v West Ham
Pardew v Liverpool
These are all iconic moments in Palace history and put them firmly into legendary status.
Salako is a legend I agree but he never scored the winner in a relegation match or a semi final so I think he must come behind those three.
If Mark Hughes hadn't equalised, he'd have been a hero for that cross. |
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| Selhurst Celtic |
quote:
Originally posted by west country boy
Although not as important, him scoring twice at Highbury in 1994 when we beat Arsenal 2-1 was a pretty special moment
A nice header against Everton in the ZDS Cup Final.
A hatrick (against Stoke?) on his return from cruciate injury.
30 yarder against Man Utd in a 3-0 win.
40 yarder against Forest at the death to draw level at 3-3.
Being the best crosser of the ball (with Simon Jordan a close second) during the Steve Kember testimonial.
Good player. (Salako that is, not Jordan.) |
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| Shipp Ahoy! |
Makes me laugh that people would put Hopkin and AJ ahead of Salako in the legend category.
You can't compare on a player that put in as much time and appearances as John did to players who hovered around for a season or two albeit being as successful as they were.
Are you telling me that if Sinclair had scored in the play off semi and final and taken us up then he would automatically have become a Palace legend? |
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| Psychokiller |
| Hmm, let's see. A product of our youth system who represented his country and made over 200 appearances in the red and blue. Played in the 1990 Cup Semi and Final side (all of whom are legends in my book) and a key member of the team that finished 3rd in the league. If that's not a legend I don't know what is. |
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| Jack Regan |
quote:
Originally posted by David
Legends are people like David Hopkin, Neil Shipperley, Andy Johnson, Peter Taylor, Geoff Thomas, Alan Pardew etc..............People like John Salako were part of a legendary Palace team (1989-1992), but he isn't a bigger legend then any of the above.
David Hopkin?
Neil Shipperley?
Alan PARDEW?
I don't go in for all this 'legend' stuff, the more people you add to the list, the greater you dilute the accolade.
It's generally accepted that the greatest Palace players in living memory (and therefore can be deemed 'legends' if you must) comprise this short list (not all favourites of mine I must add):
Jim Cannon
Steve Kember
Kenny Sansom
Don Rogers
Peter Taylor
Lombardo
Geoff Thomas
Ian Wright
There is no place on this list for Salako, Hopkin, Shipperley, OR Alan bloody Pardew.
Sorry. |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by Jack Regan
David Hopkin?
Neil Shipperley?
Alan PARDEW?
I don't go in for all this 'legend' stuff, the more people you add to the list, the greater you dilute the accolade.
It's generally accepted that the greatest Palace players in living memory (and therefore can be deemed 'legends' if you must) comprise this short list (not all favourites of mine I must add):
Jim Cannon
Steve Kember
Kenny Sansom
Don Rogers
Peter Taylor
Lombardo
Geoff Thomas
Ian Wright
There is no place on this list for Salako, Hopkin, Shipperley, OR Alan bloody Pardew.
Sorry.
Interesting. Doesn't THAT goal make Pardew a legend automatically?
And what qualifies, for example, Kember as a legend over Salako? Both were products of our youth system, both played in Division One winning teams, but Salako also played in the FA Cup games and was a key member of the team that finished third. |
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| Jack Regan |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Interesting. Doesn't THAT goal make Pardew a legend automatically?
And what qualifies, for example, Kember as a legend over Salako? Both were products of our youth system, both played in Division One winning teams, but Salako also played in the FA Cup games and was a key member of the team that finished third.
I wouldn't have thought a single goal could elevate anyone to 'legend' status.
Kember was a product of the youth system and played for the club twice AND managed the club twice, hence why he's on the list.
If you're going to put Salad on the list, then you have to put Ninge on there too. And Thorny. And Blazey.
Before you know it you've got a Nigel Sands type list on your hands.
Like Bart Simpson said 'if everyone's special, it means no-one is' |
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| silverymoon |
| Terry Long should be added to the list |
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| AddiscombeEagle |
| Johnny Byrne? |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by Jack Regan
I wouldn't have thought a single goal could elevate anyone to 'legend' status.
Kember was a product of the youth system and played for the club twice AND managed the club twice, hence why he's on the list.
If you're going to put Salad on the list, then you have to put Ninge on there too. And Thorny. And Blazey.
Before you know it you've got a Nigel Sands type list on your hands.
Like Bart Simpson said 'if everyone's special, it means no-one is'
That goal led to our first ever cup final though. And Pardew was a player who we picked up for next to nowt from non-league at a late stage in his career, and who went on to make the most of what was a very limited ability. I afford him legendary status because he typifies what we were all about back then. We didn't have any prima donnas.
I would also put Blazey on the list. Definitely. The best goalkeeper we've had in my lifetime. Nearly 300 games. Stayed loyal to us when we went down under Coppell. Never once made noises about leaving when we got in the shit and probably the best 'keeper of his generation.
Eric Young is one of my favourite all time Palace players but I accept that he doesn't get legend status, same goes for Thorny and more recently Matty Jansen and Andy Johnson. Actually, AJ is borderline because he scored a hat-trick against the vermin. |
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| Jack Regan |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
I would also put Blazey on the list. Definitely.
Might be easier to say every ex-Palace player is a legend by default, unless you're excommunicated:
Stright on that list would be:
Padavano
Tommy Langley
Ruddock
Trevor Aylott
It's all a matter of opinion, but surely no sane person would put the likes of Shipperley on a list of greats. I'm sure he was a nice enough bloke and everything, but there won't be any 'Neil Shipperley Stands' being built to house Palace fans in my lifetime. |
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| AddiscombeEagle |
quote:
Originally posted by Jack Regan
Might be easier to say every ex-Palace player is a legend by default, unless you're excommunicated:
Stright on that list would be:
Padavano
Tommy Langley
Ruddock
Trevor Aylott
It's all a matter of opinion, but surely no sane person would put the likes of Shipperley on a list of greats. I'm sure he was a nice enough bloke and everything, but there won't be any 'Neil Shipperley Stands' being built to house Palace fans in my lifetime.
I don’t know, he was the size of the Whitehorse last time I saw him.:D |
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| Pub Idol |
| Not sure about the 5k thing but he did ask Francis if he was interested( whats wrong with that) but Francis wanted a forward so turned him down. He then went of to reading for a couple of seasons and did well. I would think 5k was reasonable at the time etc anyway. Coppell managed to do a deal with him so he couldnt have been that overpriced. |
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| Lee sinnots ear |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Thanks.
Which of these games did he hit the post in?
And the 'phone call and 5k bit is a fact.
Not trying to "blacken his name" as you put it - he was a decent pro and a bit of a cheeky chappy.
But a legend - don't make me laugh.
I'm not sure of my facts here, but I suspect Bruce Dyer can almost match Salakos stats and is certainly as big a character and as pro-palace as he is. In fact, he's a splendid guy, who I have only ever heard be positive about Palace, unlike Salako over the years.
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys.
Spot om mate I am with you. A good player who was very very unlucky with injuries and rightly held with some affection but not a legend. I would add Steve Kember (the player) John Jackson, Geoff Thomas and Nigel Martyn to your list, no way is Salako in their league
I still have not forgotten how he all but gave up at the end of season 94 -95 when we went down as 4th from bottom and the rumor that him and Southgate came to blows as Southgate accused him of not trying down at Southampton in one of the last couple of games.
That said he is more welcome than some back at the club and rightly so |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by Jack Regan
Might be easier to say every ex-Palace player is a legend by default, unless you're excommunicated:
Stright on that list would be:
Padavano
Tommy Langley
Ruddock
Trevor Aylott
It's all a matter of opinion, but surely no sane person would put the likes of Shipperley on a list of greats. I'm sure he was a nice enough bloke and everything, but there won't be any 'Neil Shipperley Stands' being built to house Palace fans in my lifetime.
You're comparing Nigel with those muppets (Shipps excepted, the Shipps bit I agree with)?
Surely being our greatest ever keeper in our greatest ever team gives him legendary status? |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Interesting. Doesn't THAT goal make Pardew a legend automatically?
Yes it does. As does Hopkin's, as does Shipperley's.........
In 50 years time people will open a Palace history book and see the photo of the goalscorer in those particular games - that makes them a legend in my book.
By some people's reasoning on here people like Keith Houchen (Coventry) and Peter Withe (Aston Villa) are not legends because they were not great players. People like Houchen and Withe are remembered more than players who were three times better than them. These are legends. |
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| Jack Regan |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
You're comparing Nigel with those muppets (Shipps excepted, the Shipps bit I agree with)?
Surely being our greatest ever keeper in our greatest ever team gives him legendary status?
Sorry, I must've quoted the wrong part of your post. Blazey is of course up there with the very best of them. The very best. |
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| Harry Holmesdale |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Hmm, let's see. A product of our youth system who represented his country and made over 200 appearances in the red and blue. Played in the 1990 Cup Semi and Final side (all of whom are legends in my book) and a key member of the team that finished 3rd in the league. If that's not a legend I don't know what is.
Took the words out of my mouth mate |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by lukethomas_01
absolutly ridiculous... Never forget his crosses ..
Are you being ironic? |
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| mabbutts boots |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Are you being ironic?
Sorry, mate, did you ever see salako play??
He was one of the most naturally gifted wingers we ever had, great crosser and scored a few too, not just tap ins either.
He always gave 100%, sometimes more. In fact, I dont think we have had a better winger since.....
the bloke is a Palace legend, end of. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by AddiscombeEagle
Legends in my book are about loyalty, about ability, not about one off moments. They are legendary moments which is different.
A great post, in my opinion.
Really made me think.
And a name came to mind (and I'm not taking the pss) ---Dean Austin --absolutely hammered by our fans at first but (dare I say it) a legend throughout the administration period in so many ways
And has his own legendary moment, in that great day at Norwich. |
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| Sick Bucket |
| I clearly remember Salako playing for England, it was a terrible tour but it was generally agreed that he was one of the only plus points, played well and he looked very comfortable and set for many more appearances, then he injured his knee. I also remember him playing upfront for Palace when Wright was injured and averaging more than a goal a game, don't think Wright won his place back immediately as a result. I'd agree that legend is dished out too easily but I think he's in, as others have said that whole Coppell team deserves in I reckon, we'll never finish 3rd in the Prem. again I doubt. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by mabbutts boots
Sorry, mate, did you ever see salako play??
He always gave 100%, sometimes more.
Wow, that woud make him a legend.
Out of interest, how much more than 100%? |
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| Eagle Of Cray |
quote:
Originally posted by Jack Regan
the more people you add to the list, the greater you dilute the accolade.
^
Salako, a Palace legend? Not for me. |
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| eagle-leg |
Theres a lot of drivel on this thread it has to be said!!!....
Scoring a goal (no matter how important) does not mark you down as one of the legendary palace players of all time!
A couple of seasons where you scored a good few goals does not either!
Shipps
AJ
Pardew
Salako
Hopkin (can't believe we are even discussing the merits of this one!)
Austin
Morrison
Southgate
Armstrong
Dyer
Sorry lads - good/great moments in the history of the football club, but not going down as the all time legends
In my era
Cannon
Wright
Bright
Thomas
Coppell
Lombardo (not for what he done on the pitch - but more as one of the most iconic players we have ever had)
Freedman
Nobody else from the last 20 years...
Well... Martyn possibly but not 100% |
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| Son of Coveta |
| def legend john john salako running down the wing oo aa oo:p |
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| Jack Regan |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
And has his own legendary moment, in that great day at Norwich.
I was there too. The word going round was that it was going to be possibly our last game ever. I've never been to a match like it before or since. |
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| New LP |
| AJ surely deserves legendary status. He scored THAT hat-trick, the crucial winner in the home play off semi and his run and shot was what led to Shipp's goal in the final. Add to that shedloads of goals in both divisions and playing for England as a Palace player and surely legend is a reasonable description? And that's before you consider the fact that he was an all round good guy who stayed at Palace after we were relegated and who looked genuinley distraught on the pitch at Watford. |
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| trickyricky66 |
quote:
Originally posted by David
Legends are people like David Hopkin, Neil Shipperley, Andy Johnson, Peter Taylor, Geoff Thomas, Alan Pardew etc..............People like John Salako were part of a legendary Palace team (1989-1992), but he isn't a bigger legend then any of the above.
PARDEW are you having a laugh.:D
HE was shit apart from the goal in the semie.
I remeber when the crowd would moan when he got the ball.the donkey chants,And other verbal abuse he used to get. |
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| trickyricky66 |
That goal led to our first ever cup final though. And Pardew was a player who we picked up for next to nowt from non-league at a late stage in his career, and who went on to make the most of what was a very limited ability
Thats says it all, from psyhokiller post |
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| GDP |
quote:
Originally posted by eagle-leg
Morrison
Well... Martyn possibly but not 100%
Surely Morrison would have to included in the legends list as he is our 4th leading goalscorer of all time.
And in my opinion Nigel Martyn would top the list of legends, an unbelievable goalkeeper and an absolute diamond geezer to boot.
I agree with the majority of what you're saying though. |
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| doof |
Is the Pope catholic? Does a Bear shit in the woods? Is John Salako a Palace legend?
I used to love watching Salako play. He was a great player and among the best to ever play for us which is why he'll be talked about for years. |
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| milky87 |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Sorry lads, obviously hit a bit of a nerve there.
But really, what would make him a legend?
I know for a fact that before signing for Fulham towards the end of his career (when he had really mastered the balloon cross) he 'phoned a Palace representative and said he would come back to us if we paid him 5k a week.
Clearly a legend in his own mind then!
But I am open to being mistaken in my assessment of the guy.
What would make him qualify as a Palace legend?
He is a legend because we saved his career twice and as soon as he was fit he f*cked off to Coventry :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I totally agree with you mate, f*ck him |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by milky87
He is a legend because we saved his career twice and as soon as he was fit he f*cked off to Coventry :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I totally agree with you mate, f*ck him
Umm, not quite, he got back to full fitness in the middle of 93/94 and announced his comeback with a superb hat trick, he then played the following season before leaving for Coventry.
I suppose it depends how you define a legend. |
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| Nork1 |
| RIDICULOUS thread, blasphemous (in an atheist sort of a way). The bloke's a Palace hero. His stint in goal against Wimbledon alone should qualify him for legend status. |
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| IanH |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Palace Legends are the likes of:
Mark Bright
Jim Cannon
Ian Wright
Dougie Freedman
Clinton Morrison
Andy Johnson
Steve Coppell
Simon Jordan
I just don't think Salako is in the same bracket as these guys.
I agree with all of the above names (plus John Jackson?) - not sure that Salako is in that company - good player, but would be included in a second or third tier group along with the likes of Alan Pardew, Phil Barber, Richard Shaw, Eric Young, Andy Thorn etc - good Palace players (whilst they were here), but not legends. Although it does depend on what you mean by "legend", I suppose. He isn't for one me though. |
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| Budgie Byrne |
quote:
Originally posted by Nork1
RIDICULOUS thread, blasphemous (in an atheist sort of a way). The bloke's a Palace hero. His stint in goal against Wimbledon alone should qualify him for legend status.
You beat me to it! If ever one single performance deserves to make a player a hero it was that one.:p
John Salako, local boy who would, should have been an England regular but for that terrible injury. Many a lesser player would never have come back from a blow like that, but he did and still played a vital role for the club.
Yes he left, but at that period we lost so many good players who were disappointed by the apparent lack of ambition at the club. You can't blame any of them for that. They had with Coppell hit the hights that few teams reach outside of a select few. We could have and should have gone on to bigger and greater things and John would have been part of that, wrecked knee or not.
The lad took so much stick from Wrighty and Brighty, that few kids could have put up with, but he did, it improved his game and was a great servant to the club.
He has carved himself out a good career outside of playing football, as have so many of Coppell's team and good luck to him. They were a true "band of brothers" and every Palace fan should be proud of every one of them. We perhaps did not realise it at the time, but a great team, fulll of great players:lux: |
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| prizesucker |
| Yes! Will always be a legend in my eyes. |
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| Freddy Kurz |
Only fans who actually saw the development of John Salako from the
ranks of Palace youth team into a regular in Coppell's squad which
helped us gain promotion to the old First Division (via the play-offs)
in 1988/9; attained 3rd place (our highest-ever place in the Football
League), reached the FA Cup Final(plus a replay) in 1990 and won
5 England caps before sustaining a cruciate ligament injury v Leeds
that drastically shortened his career, will understand why he deserves
to be considered in a list of Palace legends.
There can be little doubt that had he not been so badly injured, John
would have gone on to win many more England caps and may well
have played a major part in preventing Palace becoming a yo-yo
club. Few Palace fans will ever forget Salako's magnificent
display of wing-play at Highbury in the Premiership on 1.10.94
when Palace beat Arsenal 2-1 (our only ever away League win
over the Gooners) in which he scored two great goals in the
first half. And does anyone else recall the 50 yard goal he
scored from the wing in a televised Cup game v Nottingham
Forest at the City ground?
Because of his truncated career, it would be unrealistic to place
John Salako among the top-ten of Palace post-war legends, but
I would certainly place him among the leading 20 players who
have earned that accolade at the club. |
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| Kai |
| Salako's definately a legend. No doubt about it! |
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| Billy Rhino |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Wow, that woud make him a legend.
Out of interest, how much more than 100%?
Steady on! Phil Barber (Mr 110%) is surely the only Palace player (or ANY player) to ever give more than 100%??
DJ, I do sort of understand your stance but it does seem a bit too vitriolic.
The first part of Salako's career was pretty dodgy, he was pretty quick and obviously had skill but really had no impact and his crossing was awful. I remember one particular midweek game he had a real stinker and Barber got this biggest cheer of his life when he replaced him!
However, his crossing & overall play improved immeasurably and he was definitely one of the better players of the 91 team.
I agree he is not a legend........how about a semi-legend?:p |
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| Mad Max |
quote:
Originally posted by Nork1
RIDICULOUS thread, blasphemous (in an atheist sort of a way). The bloke's a Palace hero. His stint in goal against Wimbledon alone should qualify him for legend status.
And THAT save,incredible. |
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| Freddy Kurz |
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Rhino
Steady on! Phil Barber (Mr 110%) is surely the only Palace player (or ANY player) to ever give more than 100%??
DJ, I do sort of understand your stance but it does seem a bit too vitriolic.
The first part of Salako's career was pretty dodgy, he was pretty quick and obviously had skill but really had no impact and his crossing was awful. I remember one particular midweek game he had a real stinker and Barber got this biggest cheer of his life when he replaced him!
However, his crossing & overall play improved immeasurably and he was definitely one of the better players of the 91 team.
I agree he is not a legend........how about a semi-legend?:p
Billy Rhino, it would be possible to select almost any great player
in the history of the game, who, in his formative years made
mistakes and had flaws in their technique as they developed
their skills to an ever higher level. John Salako, although
early serious injury prevented him becoming a truly great
player, was surely no different to any other? In my view,
in the context of home-grown Palace players, John was up
there in our top twenty post-war legends because he was
one of Coppell's team which took us to our highest-ever
place in the Football League and enabled us to become
FA Cup Finalists at Wembley for the first and only time
in our history. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Billy Rhino, it would be possible to select almost any great player
in the history of the game, who, in his formative years made
mistakes and had flaws in their technique as they developed
their skills to an ever higher level. John Salako, although
early serious injury prevented him becoming a truly great
player, was surely no different to any other? In my view,
in the context of home-grown Palace players, John was up
there in our top twenty post-war legends because he was
one of Coppell's team which took us to our highest-ever
place in the Football League and enabled us to become
FA Cup Finalists at Wembley for the first and only time
in our history.
Summarise this. It's fvcking boring.
If he were a legend, you could give a short and persuasive response.
I can give you a swift 3 why salako isn't a legend:
1. He has, many times, mugged off Palace on Sky.
2. He really did make that arrogant call asking for 5k a week - as anyone in the know, knows! Which, in the context and time it was made is why i particularly have little time for him
3. When the chips were down, and despite great personal support, he got a transfer.
So. in summary, more tosser than legend.
In my opinion. |
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| elliott |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Summarise this. It's fvcking boring.
1. He has, many times, mugged off Palace on Sky.
Bull ••••••• shit.
That man is Palace through and through. The epitomy of loyalty. He IS a Palace fan!
How anyone can suggest Pardew is a legend, over Salad is a laugh. Pardew doesn't give a shit about CPFC, Salako does.
However, Salako probably wouldn't make my "legends" list.
My legends list:
Cannon
Jackson
Martyn
Bright
Thomas
Coppell
Lombardo
Freedman |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by trickyricky66
PARDEW are you having a laugh.:D
HE was shit apart from the goal in the semie.
I remeber when the crowd would moan when he got the ball.the donkey chants,And other verbal abuse he used to get.
One of the most famous goals in the history of the FA Cup. Maybe, people like Ronnie Radford shouldn't be considered a legend either then. |
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| DJ Laz |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by elliott
[B]"Bull ••••••• shit.
That man is Palace through and through. The epitomy of loyalty."
Sorry, some of what you say makes sense.
But, as I keep saying, the 5k a week stuff is true.
He is not a Palace fan,
He's a guy who is smart enough to know he missed the boat with the really big bucks as a player and is trying to cash in wherever and whenever he can now.
There are are many people at Palace who are legends and for many reasons (and I want to add Rachid Harkouk here!!): a few are players., but most are fans. |
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| sunshine lucas |
| Sorry, I know this is supposed to be about the Salad but.... David Hopkin? Scores fantastic goal - but then fecks off to Leeds (almost before the ball hit the back of the net). Never a legend. Good ears tho'. |
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| Freddy Kurz |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Summarise this. It's fvcking boring.
If he were a legend, you could give a short and persuasive response.
I can give you a swift 3 why salako isn't a legend:
1. He has, many times, mugged off Palace on Sky.
2. He really did make that arrogant call asking for 5k a week - as anyone in the know, knows! Which, in the context and time it was made is why i particularly have little time for him
3. When the chips were down, and despite great personal support, he got a transfer.
So. in summary, more tosser than legend.
power In my opinion.
Clearly you have some difficulty discussing anything at length,
and since I'm not an artist, am unable to draw you a picture.
As a lifelong Palace fan, I've always appreciated the players who
have worn our shirt, made an outstanding contribution to the
proud history of our club, and have had the misfortune to have
sustained serious injury while playing competitively for the club
and there can be no doubt that John Salako has ticked all of
these boxes.
Salako, as a professional footballer whose career and earning
power after his catastrophic injury against Leeds had been
seriously reduced, had every right to seek the best terms he
could, since English League clubs, including Palace, have, to
my knowledge, never had the reputation of being philanth-
ropic institutions!
Salako sustained his injury in the service of the club he had
joined when he was a junior, and if Palace were unable to
meet his pay request, and he thought he could do better
elsewhere, who are we to deny him that right? After all
many Palace players who had never ever sustained a
major injury playing for the club (and are regarded by
many as legends) were only too glad to move to other
clubs for far more than £5k a week. How much were
Ian Wright & Kenny Sansom offered to make the switch
to Highbury? And was it £40k a week that AJ got
when he moved to Everton? Yet none of these had
ever sustained a career-threatening injury while at
Selhurst Park.
Any player whose career has been seriously blighted by
injury has the right to maximise his earnings whereever
he can if his own club aren't prepared to cough-up...
Do hope you won't have too much difficulty wading
through all the above arguments, but unfortunately
complex issues often require complicated answers. |
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| Dan 05 |
| I saw him after we lost the first leg to Bristol City at home last season and he was truly gutted. He wasn't there for sky - simply as a fan! He looked like he was about to cry so for me mate, PALACE LEGEND. |
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| KP'S Nuts |
| What a complete joker David Hopkin over John Salako as a legend!. |
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| EMLEY EAGLE |
To me Johnny S is a big Palace supporter and as far as I remember always gave 100% in games.
Just because a player leaves and joins another club doesn't make him less of a legend.
If that was the yardstick,there would only be Jim Cannon.... |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by KP'S Nuts
What a complete joker David Hopkin over John Salako as a legend!.
You mean David Hopkin who scored the greatest goal in our entire history (as voted for by the fans)!!
Regardless of who he left us for and regardless of the way he was when he returned under Smith, the fact remains that for those two seasons he was absolutely brilliant and if you don't agree then you obviously never saw him play. He ran the midfield and was the best outside the Premiership. |
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| Psychokiller |
quote:
Originally posted by David
You mean David Hopkin who scored the greatest goal in our entire history (as voted for by the fans)!!
Regardless of who he left us for and regardless of the way he was when he returned under Smith, the fact remains that for those two seasons he was absolutely brilliant and if you don't agree then you obviously never saw him play. He ran the midfield and was the best outside the Premiership.
Whereas John Salako was one of the best wingers IN the top flight before his injury. He also scored a couple of belters and a hat-trick.
I followed the careers of Salako and Shaw from the youth team to the first team so admittedly I've always had a soft spot for those two. At the time we had a super-prolific striker in the same youth team called Andy Ansah who we released (apparently we could only afford to keep one striker from the youth team that year) who went on to have a half decent career in the lower leagues. |
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| David Amsalem |
quote:
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
There can be little doubt that had he not been so badly injured, John
would have gone on to win many more England caps and may well
have played a major part in preventing Palace becoming a yo-yo
club. Few Palace fans will ever forget Salako's magnificent
display of wing-play at Highbury in the Premiership on 1.10.94
when Palace beat Arsenal 2-1 (our only ever away League win
over the Gooners) in which he scored two great goals in the
first half.
What a great day that was. |
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| Vince Hilaire's Afro |
What a joke this thread is. Any player who was part of our best ever team surely goes down in legendary status at the club. Even if he did have the audacity to transfer to another club and later attempt to negotiate a contract to return (shocker). If over 200 appearances for a club isn't enough for some people, I can't imagine what is. What is the problem so many fans at this club have with players signing for other clubs? Have they not yet got the message that it's part and parcel of football?
Personally, I've only ever seen him be positive about Palace in the media so just can't understand what any of this criticism is all about. |
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| IanH |
quote:
Originally posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
If over 200 appearances for a club isn't enough for some people, I can't imagine what is.
To be a legend? I think you need to have done a bit more than that. |
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| Palace Dan |
Salad is a Palace man!!
Still got a great talent (Geoff's testimonial - played really well) and I feel still has a very warm place for the Palace |
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| CP Satellite |
I have a vested interest in this. I was there at Stoke's old Victoria Ground in the late 80's when the announcer called out John's name as 'John Salard' and I like to think it was my shout of 'Go on the Salad Bowl' that got the whole 'Salad' thing started!
I remember seeing John play in an FA Youth Cup tie v Southampton in around 1986 - Matt Le Tissier was playing in the same game - there was no doubt then that Palace had a great player on their hands.
He had a difficult couple of years settling into first team football - but his loan to Swansea - where I believe he got to play in Europe with Swansea under Ian Evans ( a personal hero of mine) that brought him back to Palace as a proper regular - after having to play second fiddle to Phil Barber and Glenn Pennyfather.
In my book, any player who was part of that 1990/91 Palace team who got Palace into an unprecendeted 3rd place in the League is a Legend -
you can name them all of the top off your head -
MARTYN, HUMPHREY, SHAW, YOUNG, THORN, SALAKO, MCGOLDRICK, GRAY, THOMAS, WRIGHT & BRIGHT. All legends - a legendary Palace team, under the legendary Steve Coppell and a legendary season.
I was very upset with John when he left at the end of the 94/95 season - I heard rumours of Gareth Southgate punching him out in the dressing room at Southampton for not trying in a vital away game and also turning his back on the game at Leeds, when he was subbed - so it seemed that he felt bigger than Palace at the time. But when you add up what he meant for Palace, yes, he was a Legend and he is one of those players whose name brings a warm glow and memories of some of the happiest days following Palace - Go on the Salad Bowl! |
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| IanH |
quote:
Originally posted by CP Satellite
I was very upset with John when he left at the end of the 94/95 season - I heard rumours of Gareth Southgate punching him out in the dressing room at Southampton for not trying in a vital away game and also turning his back on the game at Leeds, when he was subbed - so it seemed that he felt bigger than Palace at the time.
Probably not a legend then! |
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| delboy01 |
Salad was part of the greatest ever palace team. An important part as well. He assisted wright and bright in their goal tallys more than anyone else.
As for his sky comments. They are always accurate, he gives credit where its due and says if we play poorly. What would you prefer. 'palace were great today.' 'Yes but john they lost 5-0!!'
So the answer is yes he is a palace legend. |
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| David |
quote:
Originally posted by Psychokiller
Whereas John Salako was one of the best wingers IN the top flight before his injury. He also scored a couple of belters and a hat-trick.
I know I saw Salako, my most memorable moment of him was his goals against Stoke after his comeback from injury. He was brilliant before his injury and in my opinion could have gone on to be a real great. |
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| DJ Laz |
quote:
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Clearly you have some difficulty discussing anything at length,
and since I'm not an artist, am unable to draw you a picture.
As a lifelong Palace fan, I've always appreciated the players who
have worn our shirt, made an outstanding contribution to the
proud history of our club, and have had the misfortune to have
sustained serious injury while playing competitively for the club
and there can be no doubt that John Salako has ticked all of
these boxes.
Salako, as a professional footballer whose career and earning
power after his catastrophic injury against Leeds had been
seriously reduced, had every right to seek the best terms he
could, since English League clubs, including Palace, have, to
my knowledge, never had the reputation of being philanth-
ropic institutions!
Salako sustained his injury in the service of the club he had
joined when he was a junior, and if Palace were unable to
meet his pay request, and he thought he could do better
elsewhere, who are we to deny him that right? After all
many Palace players who had never ever sustained a
major injury playing for the club (and are regarded by
many as legends) were only too glad to move to other
clubs for far more than £5k a week. How much were
Ian Wright & Kenny Sansom offered to make the switch
to Highbury? And was it £40k a week that AJ got
when he moved to Everton? Yet none of these had
ever sustained a career-threatening injury while at
Selhurst Park.
Any player whose career has been seriously blighted by
injury has the right to maximise his earnings whereever
he can if his own club aren't prepared to cough-up...
Do hope you won't have too much difficulty wading
through all the above arguments, but unfortunately
complex issues often require complicated answers.
:S: :S: :S: :S: :S: |
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| Freddy Kurz |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Laz
:S: :S: :S: :S: :S:
Brain can't take it eh?:lux: |
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| Lee sinnots ear |
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I heard rumours of Gareth Southgate punching him out in the dressing room at Southampton for not trying in a vital away game and also turning his back on the game at Leeds, when he was subbed - so it seemed that he felt bigger than Palace at the time.!
A story that just won't go away that is why he is NOT a legend
It is a good job Dougie decided not to not try, away at Pompey and Stockport otherwise where would we be? Now he IS a true legend , that is the difference.
John was just a good player one of the best but not a legend. Legends do things that remain in history to be told as legendry tales that get better as time go's by they don't have a little smell about them like not rying , or taking drugs etc |
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| trickyricky66 |
quote:
Originally posted by David
One of the most famous goals in the history of the FA Cup. Maybe, people like Ronnie Radford shouldn't be considered a legend either then.
PARDEW WAS A DONKEY EEYORE EEYORE
:D :lux: :hi: |
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| trickyricky66 |
quote:
Originally posted by David
I know I saw Salako, my most memorable moment of him was his goals against Stoke after his comeback from injury. He was brilliant before his injury and in my opinion could have gone on to be a real great.
Are you old enough to remember m8 as ive seen your how old you from your profile:D |
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