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cockneyrebel 01-04-2020 08:28 AM

Keir Starmer - Labour Party leader
 
Hes gonna win by a land slide so might as well start a thread.

Personally think hes got less charisma than Mr Bean (who he speaks like), and will turn out to be a lack lustre and awful leader. But we will see.

Arise Sir Keir.

david sylvian 01-04-2020 08:33 AM

He couldn't be worse than Corbyn - who was the Tories wet dream.

I think Starmer will be very good and will make Labour electable again, quickly.

Reps AJ 01-04-2020 08:36 AM

Let's hope that, unlike Corbyn, he can count to 5

Joe85 01-04-2020 08:36 AM

Best of a very uninspiring lot.

Got to get behind him now.

cockneyrebel 01-04-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by david sylvian (Post 15161664)
He couldn't be worse than Corbyn - who was the Tories wet dream.

I think Starmer will be very good and will make Labour electable again, quickly.

Brown, Miliband and Corbyn all lost and got similar results.

There is no guarantee at all that Starmer will do any better than those three. Still John Major won and they are similar personalities so who knows.

Personally think hell be Tory wet dream himself as you put it and utterly useless. Has been so far in the leadership context. That clip of him trying to tell a joke was excruciating.

DAWSYEAGLE 01-04-2020 08:51 AM

It will be impossible to do a worse job than Corbyn so "Things can only get better"

akinbiyifan 01-04-2020 09:02 AM

Has this been confirmed?

Soarin' Eagles 01-04-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reps AJ (Post 15161667)
Let's hope that, unlike Corbyn, he can count to 5

:jerkit:

Reps AJ 01-04-2020 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Soarin' Eagles (Post 15161706)
:jerkit:

It's not my fault Corbyn published a letter to Johnson and was unable to successfully count to five, so take your emoji and stick it up your arse :hi:

Joe85 01-04-2020 09:32 AM

I imagine the press/Tories will use Corbyn as a stick to beat Starmer and his successor with for a quite a few years to come.

Jordan's Jacket 01-04-2020 09:49 AM

At least Starmer is a grown up. His issue will be how he deals with the militant angry sixth former wing of the party

eddieskyclad 01-04-2020 10:09 AM

I hated the idea of Starmer winning but maybe with covid19 he will be an effective leader.

When I said the north east would never vote for him due to his Brexit stance someone made the point that we couldn't predict what would happen in the next year let alone the next 5 years. Whoever that was showed a level of prescience greater than I.

He still won't win though but after 2024 Nandy can come in and sweep Labour to power again ;)

Dave Hedgehog 01-04-2020 10:19 AM

Starmer's fine but he's not the man I've seen many people perceive him to be. Not as confident and fleet of foot as he sometimes appears on camera, more of a substitute teacher than a headmaster.

He'll inherit the issue of addressing those idiots in Momentum and realigning the party's principles. Still, best of a bad bunch.

Max_Power 01-04-2020 10:37 AM

As I've said elsewhere I'm not convinced he'll get Labour a majority but he'll get them a lot closer (perhaps back into hung parliament territory at best) than any more Momentum meddling might have done.

Will be glad to see the back of Len McClusky devised policy making which is all ideology and no substance in reality.

adrenalin john 01-04-2020 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eddieskyclad (Post 15161875)
I hated the idea of Starmer winning but maybe with covid19 he will be an effective leader.

When I said the north east would never vote for him due to his Brexit stance someone made the point that we couldn't predict what would happen in the next year let alone the next 5 years. Whoever that was showed a level of prescience greater than I.

He still won't win though but after 2024 Nandy can come in and sweep Labour to power again ;)

:hi: cough, cough

I wonder whether Starmer's evident lack of charisma may not be such a disadvantage in times when clear concise communication is better than jokes.

Similarly I wonder whether capable management is going to be more appreciated now than the ability to repeat a soundbyte.

Heb 7:4 01-04-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eddieskyclad (Post 15161875)
He still won't win though

In fairness to Starmer, very hard for anyone to win from where Labour are now.

John McTernan has offered him some advice

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april...es-for-ruling/

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Memo to: Keir Starmer

From: John McTernan

Date: 4 April 2020

What is to be done? Five Rules for Ruling

At the end of the magnificent film The Candidate, Robert Redford’s victorious character pulls his campaign manager aside and says: “Marvin, what do we do now?” This is the key question for political victors. I’m sure you have people making First 100 Day plans. Ignore them: the public isn’t interested. Don’t talk when no one wants to pay attention, deal with your internals instead. You are the difference between the 2019 election being a near-death experience and being death itself. Here are your five rules for taking back control of the Labour Party.

Rule 1: Act immediately

You have more authority than you think, but absolute authority ebbs quickly. Make your mark. Don’t waste time building coalitions. Don’t ask for permission or forgiveness, you don’t need them. Use the moment, and enjoy it.

Rule 2: Act ruthlessly

Do not be sentimental. This is the time to purge the party machine and put your own people in charge. Sack the general secretary and all the place people immediately. Don’t believe them if they pledge allegiance — either they are being duplicitous or, worse, they mean it: if they rat now, won’t they re-rat in the future? As we said when we expelled Militant, there’s no problem with a witchhunt when there really are witches to hunt.

Rule 3: Punish the losers

There’s an old saying in the Australian Labor Party: “magnanimity in defeat, vengeance in victory.” Make it your motto. Continuity Corbynistas like Rebecca Long Bailey and Richard Burgon must be exiled to the back benches for the rest of their parliamentary careers, which should be as brief as possible. Victory has to be absolute. It is crucial to show you understand just how toxic Corbyn’s tax and spend manifesto, default dislike of business and deep lack of patriotism really were.

Rule 4: Ignore party members

Punishing Burgon and Long Bailey will alienate a portion of the membership. Good. Let them return in disgust to the fringe parties where they should have been all along. Remember the words of the Tory Prime Minister A.J. Balfour: “I’d rather take advice from my valet than from the Conservative Party Conference.” Don’t fetishise party members. Any gathering of more than a handful is disproof of the notion of the wisdom of crowds. Restore party conference to its proper role — a loyal leadership rally.

Rule 5: Take back the unions

Finally, give yourself the insurance policy all Labour leaders need — a loyal, rational industrial wing. Unite leader Len McCluskey is an aberration. Its main component parts, the T&G and the AEU, produced leaders who helped Labour to govern and rescued it when the party went too far left to be electable. This ballast is essential. Until Unite has a sensible leader you will not be as secure as you should be. Tony Blair once said about party discipline: “You only have to break one of their legs, not both of them.” Actually, the trick is to make people believe you are willing to break their legs. It’s time for Sean Connery’s strategy against Al Capone in The Untouchables: “He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That’s the Chicago way, and that’s how you get Capone! Now, do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?”

El Aguila 01-04-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by adrenalin john (Post 15161950)
:hi: cough, cough

I wonder whether Starmer's evident lack of charisma may not be such a disadvantage in times when clear concise communication is better than jokes.

Similarly I wonder whether capable management is going to be more appreciated now than the ability to repeat a soundbyte.

Actually cough cough!

Heb 7:4 01-04-2020 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by adrenalin john (Post 15161950)
:hi: cough, cough

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 15162266)
Actually cough cough!

You should both be self-isolating

cockles 01-04-2020 12:54 PM

^^
you lot never fail to amaze me.

eddieskyclad 01-04-2020 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrenalin john (Post 15161950)
:hi: cough, cough

I wonder whether Starmer's evident lack of charisma may not be such a disadvantage in times when clear concise communication is better than jokes.

Similarly I wonder whether capable management is going to be more appreciated now than the ability to repeat a soundbyte.

Can't disagree with this. And he has the advantage that he less likely than RLB/Corbyn than to try and point score when it's not necessary which will help us get through the current crisis more effectively. He'll pick and chose his moments of challenge better than them (and probably better than Nandy).


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