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Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 02:00 PM

so can I download / stream, whatever the term is something on iplayer when I'm in a wifi zone and then watch it when I'm not pls? That is on the Itouch.

Dave 11-09-2008 02:06 PM

Not unless you jailbreak

Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 02:09 PM

is jailbreaking reversible? I.e. if it all goes wrong can you restore factory defaults and thus still use the guarantee?

Dave 11-09-2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoreditch CPFC
is jailbreaking reversible? I.e. if it all goes wrong can you restore factory defaults and thus still use the guarantee?
Short answer is yes, longer answer available if you want it.

Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 02:52 PM

yes pls to longer answer.

Dave 11-09-2008 03:18 PM

So when you jailbreak there is a small chance you could lock yopurself out of the phone or 'brick it' - so bear that in mind. Seems to be very rare though.

The other issue is that if you go > standard firmware --> jailbreak --> standard then I *believe* you may lose your settings and have to add them again.

Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 03:23 PM

cool. I'm gonna get me a mic attachment for Skype & then jailbreak I think

Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 03:30 PM

http://hightechjunkie.mypressonline.com/?p=63

Dave 11-09-2008 03:38 PM

Personally I think you would have more love for the Skype phone than this

Shoreditch CPFC 11-09-2008 03:59 PM

well I've got a blackberry & a touch. What I want is to be able to make Skype calls occasionally without carrying a 3rd device around. It isn't really a money thing, it's a functional practical thing.

James Melody 11-09-2008 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KingsleY
Just to let you know......jailbreaking is not unlocking.
Jailbreaking is breaking to iPhones security and code to make changes, and install a applications that apple either don't support, or don't approve of..

You mean like unlocking a vodafone mobile phone to install apps on it that vodafone doesn't approve of?

KingsleY 11-09-2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James Melody
You mean like unlocking a vodafone mobile phone to install apps on it that vodafone doesn't approve of?
Vodafone don't make phones

James Melody 12-09-2008 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KingsleY
Vodafone don't make phones
No but they lock them down to restrict the software you install on them

Dave 12-09-2008 09:07 AM

If vodpaphone locked down the phone and the phones were unix based then yes it would be called jailbreaking.

disco mixx kidd 12-09-2008 01:06 PM

im up for upgrade nxt week

was gonna get my first iphone as i use itunes and fancy free internet usage with the 45 deal at o2

is it the best phone? that samsung omina is it? looks good
any review sites online? what other phones might be worth a whirl?

cheers

disco mixx kidd 12-09-2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
It's dead technology - use email
i like mms, not many people retrieve emails on their mobiles yet

disco mixx kidd 12-09-2008 01:12 PM

http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/

this looks a good review site-they like the samsung

Dave 12-09-2008 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by disco mixx kidd
i like mms, not many people retrieve emails on their mobiles yet
Not sure that is correct.

disco mixx kidd 12-09-2008 01:26 PM

sorry i meant not many people i know

god the choices on mobiles does my head in

so many mixed reviews

wickham_eagle 12-09-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by disco mixx kidd
im up for upgrade nxt week

was gonna get my first iphone as i use itunes and fancy free internet usage with the 45 deal at o2

is it the best phone? that samsung omina is it? looks good
any review sites online? what other phones might be worth a whirl?

cheers


I'm Due upgrade on O2 in couple of weeks wait for the Nokia N96 to come out looks superb and built in 16gb of memory and 5 Million mega pixel camera as standard

http://www.nokia-n96-mobile.co.uk/img/nokia%20n96.jpg

PalaceMonkey 12-09-2008 04:04 PM

that samsung one looks good

Dave 12-09-2008 04:05 PM

Symbian, dead technology

PalaceMonkey 12-09-2008 04:08 PM

in the samsung or nokia?

Dave 12-09-2008 04:12 PM

Nokia runs symbian.

The Samsung runs Windows mobile, from the people who brought you Vista, Internet explorer etc.

PalaceMonkey 12-09-2008 04:20 PM

indeed.
that review says the samsung is a bit buggy, but still better than the iPhone.

britabroad 12-09-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wickham_eagle
I'm Due upgrade on O2 in couple of weeks wait for the Nokia N96 to come out looks superb and built in 16gb of memory and 5 Million mega pixel camera as standard

http://www.nokia-n96-mobile.co.uk/img/nokia%20n96.jpg

5 mpix. Just a gimmick. Unless you are a professional photographer, generating large format print ads, you do not need anything above 3.5 - 4.

Stavros 69 12-09-2008 04:25 PM

Dave will you show me the power of your vibrate tomorrow ? :D

Dave 12-09-2008 06:20 PM

2.1 is out gang

Brett 12-09-2008 09:38 PM

What's on your second menu screen?

Stavros 69 13-09-2008 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
2.1 is out gang
I cant sleep

sheriff 13-09-2008 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
What's on your second menu screen?
How did you get that link to bbc on there? That is cool!

eddieskyclad 13-09-2008 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sheriff
How did you get that link to bbc on there? That is cool!
Go to a website in Safari. Click the little "+" button. Click Add to Home Screen.

Brett 13-09-2008 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sheriff
How did you get that link to bbc on there? That is cool!
It's as eddie says above. You my need to chop down the title that is displayed.

I tried doing one for the BBS but the icon is just the main page and looks a bit guff.

Ridcully 13-09-2008 01:01 PM

I'd like to see an option that auto sorts the icons based on popularity, I'm also at three panes now but its only going to majorly increase as more apps come out.

Ridcully 13-09-2008 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
What's on your second menu screen?
How did you do the screenshot?

Also, is the Koi thing good? Would you buy it again?

Brett 13-09-2008 02:18 PM

Off button and Home button together for a second and release.

The screen will go white for a second and you'll hear the camera shutter.

Brett 13-09-2008 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ridcully
Also, is the Koi thing good? Would you buy it again?
I think I would buy it again, even if it went up to 99p.

It's a good app to show off the multi-touch and accelerometer. I've found that some people think that multi-touch is the same as what is in their k850i and others haven't a clue what an accelerometer is!

The inclusion of 'shake to feed' to the Koi Pond app was a lovely addition and has people saying "wow" when I show it to them.

Ridcully 14-09-2008 06:58 PM

Cool, thanks for both replies Brett.

Stavros 69 14-09-2008 09:44 PM

Dave let me touch his vibrate

Ridcully 14-09-2008 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
2.1 is out gang
Cool, downloaded in 2 mins as well, worth waiting a couple of days.

Ridcully 15-09-2008 02:15 AM

New App (for me) : Airsharing

Free for a couple of weeks, grab it while you can. The best free app so far.

eddieskyclad 15-09-2008 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
It's as eddie says above. You my need to chop down the title that is displayed.

I tried doing one for the BBS but the icon is just the main page and looks a bit guff.

so I wonder if dave could somehow add a pretty little icon ;-)

disco mixx kidd 15-09-2008 12:21 PM

i get my free upgrade 2moro
45 a month 1200mins 500 txt unlimited internet
seems ok
do i go for the 16gb free
or pay 59 for 32?
(or is it 8 vs 16 cant remember!)

Dave 15-09-2008 12:30 PM

16 is the biggest

disco mixx kidd 15-09-2008 01:21 PM

thanks dave, i assume u recommend the iphone?

Dave 15-09-2008 01:22 PM

My Iphone's calendar has gone mental :( shows only one event not the 400 it should have :(

Don't know how to resync it with exchange :(

KingsleY 15-09-2008 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
My Iphone's calendar has gone mental :( shows only one event not the 400 it should have :(

Don't know how to resync it with exchange :(

Settings > Mail, Contacts, Calenders > Choose exchange account > Untick and retick calender

That could possibly work?

Dave 15-09-2008 08:40 PM

been there - no luck. Some suggestions that it's wierd characters in outlook event titles :(

KingsleY 15-09-2008 08:44 PM

I had a weird problem where every day would have a dot in but there wasn't any activity in those days!
Might just have to export them and then import?

Dave 16-09-2008 12:05 AM

Still fighting

http://www.fu-1.net/iphone/IMG_0006.PNG

eddieskyclad 16-09-2008 12:13 AM

Slightly off topic but The Real Thing is a fab album :p

Axie 17-09-2008 02:28 PM

Had an Iphone for a few weeks now, a few issues (another one I posted on the Itunes thread but no one has been able to give any hints yet)

1) I use my calender and contacts at work so need to sync there however my music is on my itunes at home. Got both set to manage music manually but as soon as I plug into Itunes at work it says that I've been authorised with another itunes and it erases all my music. I've googled but cannot find a solution. How does anybody else deal with situations like this ?

2) I can't get music streaming to my bluetooth headphones the phone works via bluetooth but no music.

Apologies if these have already been answered earlier in the thread but couldn't obviously find it.

Dave 17-09-2008 02:35 PM

2) Iphone doesn't support A2DP yet, so if you are pairing with the phone itself then it won't work.

Cpfc121 17-09-2008 02:36 PM

axie

there is a way for number 1 i did it my self let me just have a look and ill let you know how

AndyStreet 17-09-2008 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axie
Had an Iphone for a few weeks now, a few issues (another one I posted on the Itunes thread but no one has been able to give any hints yet)

1) I use my calender and contacts at work so need to sync there however my music is on my itunes at home. Got both set to manage music manually but as soon as I plug into Itunes at work it says that I've been authorised with another itunes and it erases all my music. I've googled but cannot find a solution. How does anybody else deal with situations like this ?

2) I can't get music streaming to my bluetooth headphones the phone works via bluetooth but no music.

Apologies if these have already been answered earlier in the thread but couldn't obviously find it.

On the first point you can only manually manage your tunes from one PC unfortunately. I have my calendar and contacts from my work laptop, which is set to not sync any music, and then just manually manage my music from my home desktop. It works pretty well for me, so on your work computer just set it to not sync any music.

I can't help on the second one unfortunately.

Cpfc121 17-09-2008 02:41 PM

when the message pops up about erasing press cancell then

on the iphone device page at the buttom underneath the picture of the iphone should be a options section

uncheck the one that says "Automatically sync when this iphone is connected"


then click on the info tab at the top next to summary then select what you want to sync then press apply ( all done ) thats how i do mine

Axie 17-09-2008 02:47 PM

Thanks chaps for 1) I have exactly Andys' settings on my work computer just that at home I've got manually manage set (as there's more than 16gig to sync) when I sync at work I get the erase or cancel message. Shall try cpfc121's method tomorrow.

2) Hmm no A2DP yet, I naively assumed it would have it. Why would Apple not implement it ?

Dave 17-09-2008 02:56 PM

Quote:

2) Hmm no A2DP yet, I naively assumed it would have it. Why would Apple not implement it ?
I believe that the bluetooth stack isn't up to it yet, I'd be fairly confident they will implement it at some stage.

It's going to kill battery life.

James 17-09-2008 04:31 PM

I got my IPhone yesterday - signed an 18 month contract and paid 59 extra for the 16gb model.

It's great fun - but boy am I frustrated trying to get movies onto it. I would have thought that a modern, top of the range, media device like this would be able to cope with a DivX encoded file without any problem .... but no. I am having to convert all my movie files to IPod compatible MP4 format before ITunes will let me load them into the device.

It's also frustrating not to have a simple 'drag and drop' facility. Why does every file have to go via the ITunes setup?

thehound 17-09-2008 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
I got my IPhone yesterday - signed an 18 month contract and paid 59 extra for the 16gb model.

It's great fun - but boy am I frustrated trying to get movies onto it. I would have thought that a modern, top of the range, media device like this would be able to cope with a DivX encoded file without any problem .... but no. I am having to convert all my movie files to IPod compatible MP4 format before ITunes will let me load them into the device.

It's also frustrating not to have a simple 'drag and drop' facility. Why does every file have to go via the ITunes setup?

If you got it through your existing mobile company, you should have said you would leave if you never got it for free and you would have saved 59.

Dave 17-09-2008 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
I got my IPhone yesterday - signed an 18 month contract and paid 59 extra for the 16gb model.

It's great fun - but boy am I frustrated trying to get movies onto it. I would have thought that a modern, top of the range, media device like this would be able to cope with a DivX encoded file without any problem .... but no. I am having to convert all my movie files to IPod compatible MP4 format before ITunes will let me load them into the device.

It's also frustrating not to have a simple 'drag and drop' facility. Why does every file have to go via the ITunes setup?

Is a commercial decision, if it supported Xvid then less people would buy from the Itunes store.

Here is a nice tip though, downloading from BBC Iplayer gives you nice high quality Quicktime files that your Iphone will love. Don't ask me how to download on a windows machine, I only know the Linux and Mac way.

Also, on my mac I can drag and drop films into itunes, not sure if this is possible in windows...

disco mixx kidd 17-09-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
I got my IPhone yesterday - signed an 18 month contract and paid 59 extra for the 16gb model.


i phoned them up for the same deal and they offered me
20 a month 1200 minutes 1000 txt unlimited web browsing
no contract

all if i kept my current phone which im quite happy with

times are tight so im gonna go with this til the urge to upgrade gets to much

wickham_eagle 17-09-2008 05:15 PM

Have seen the light and getting 16GB Iphone with my upgrade at start of October hopefully will try and haggle the phone free from them and is it also worh getting insurance for the phone ? or am i covered under apples warranty ?

sheriff 17-09-2008 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wickham_eagle
Have seen the light and getting 16GB Iphone with my upgrade at start of October hopefully will try and haggle the phone free from them and is it also worh getting insurance for the phone ? or am i covered under apples warranty ?
When I tried the old haggle they stated that apple would not allow them to change the price of phone or contract. Try by all means but maybe go for free accessories?

Ridcully 17-09-2008 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
I got my IPhone yesterday - signed an 18 month contract and paid 59 extra for the 16gb model.

It's great fun - but boy am I frustrated trying to get movies onto it. I would have thought that a modern, top of the range, media device like this would be able to cope with a DivX encoded file without any problem .... but no. I am having to convert all my movie files to IPod compatible MP4 format before ITunes will let me load them into the device.

It's also frustrating not to have a simple 'drag and drop' facility. Why does every file have to go via the ITunes setup?

Get airsharing as i said earlier then you can drag and drop

wickham_eagle 17-09-2008 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sheriff
When I tried the old haggle they stated that apple would not allow them to change the price of phone or contract. Try by all means but maybe go for free accessories?

yeh will try that and maybe get free insurance or a added bolt on

Axie 18-09-2008 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cpfc121
when the message pops up about erasing press cancell then

on the iphone device page at the buttom underneath the picture of the iphone should be a options section

uncheck the one that says "Automatically sync when this iphone is connected"


then click on the info tab at the top next to summary then select what you want to sync then press apply ( all done ) thats how i do mine

This seems to work - pressing cancel when the erase dialog box comes up and then sync although it does automatically uncheck the manual manage music checkbox so I just assume I'll have to be careful. Thanks for help.

Axie 19-09-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Here is a nice tip though, downloading from BBC Iplayer gives you nice high quality Quicktime files that your Iphone will love. Don't ask me how to download on a windows machine, I only know the Linux and Mac way.
What format do downloads from Iplayer come in from Linux/Mac ? windows are wmv format when I try and convert to mp4 they just crash.

Dave 19-09-2008 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axie
What format do downloads from Iplayer come in from Linux/Mac ? windows are wmv format when I try and convert to mp4 they just crash.
file "Panorama - Terror in the Skies.mov"
Panorama - Terror in the Skies.mov: ISO Media, Apple QuickTime movie

James 20-09-2008 08:57 AM

OK - I have had my IPhone for a few days now, and broadly I am happy with it, but there are a few niggles.

First, as I mentioned earlier, many common movie files (including DivX) are not recognised.

Secondly, there is no way of using the BBC 'Listen Again' service. There is a beta version of the BBC IPlayer, but that only works with a WiFi connection.

Third, many applications seem to crash. I recognise that this is probably the fault of the application authors, rather than the machine itself, but nevertheless it's frustrating.

Fourth, at times the IPhone seems sluggish, taking time to respond to a command (key press etc).

Fifth, no easy access to the drive (i.e. drag and drop). I installed the airsharing application - but I couldn't get this to work on Vista. Curiously, typing the IP address into my browser connected and showed a couple of folders on the IPhone - but no way to access them.

Ridcully 20-09-2008 09:39 AM

James, on the mac I connect to the iPhone through the windows equivalent of explored, is you map the ip address as a drive not browse it through a browser. On the iPhone you can then just touch the folder to see what's inside it, works really well. You just drag and drop to the drive on the mac through browser and then point at the file on the iPhone. Any format the mac supports can then be used. So QuickTime files office and PDFs are all easily accessed.

Ridcully 20-09-2008 09:43 AM

app stability and the sluggishness you describe were much improved for me since the 2.1 upgrade, have you downloaded it yet. Apologies for the incorrect words on the post above the autocorrect ok typing from the phone gets me occaisionally

MatthewT 20-09-2008 10:30 AM

James, the airshare programme does work on vista. to get into the folders on your computer i had to right click on them in the panel on the left side of the screen and explore them

James 20-09-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MatthewT
James, the airshare programme does work on vista. to get into the folders on your computer i had to right click on them in the panel on the left side of the screen and explore them
OK - I have cracked it. It's a known problem with Vista, but easily solved by installing THIS file sharing update from Microsoft.
Quote:

Originally posted by Ridcully
app stability and the sluggishness you describe were much improved for me since the 2.1 upgrade, have you downloaded it yet. Apologies for the incorrect words on the post above the autocorrect ok typing from the phone gets me occaisionally
Yes - it was the first thing I did when I got home!

James 24-09-2008 03:12 PM

I wonder if one of you can help me?

So far, I have been using my IPhone touch using WiFi (because there is no 3g signal here in Ewhurst). However, I was in Woking last night, where there was a strong 3g signal - but using Safari was awful. I managed to get a single page loaded in about 5 minutes - and after that I was getting server not responding errors. I tried several WebSites (including the BBC, the BBS, Wikipedia and Amazon).

I checked that I was connected using 3g (I was) and tried switching off and on again a few times.

Am I missing something obvious?

Dave 24-09-2008 03:39 PM

Not very helpful but sometimes 3G may appear to have a strong signal when the reality is that it's very weak. This is compounded by 02s network.

In these scenarios it can be easier to switch to edge.

Dave 24-09-2008 03:49 PM

Oh and James - on demand on the Iphone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...adio_show.html

James 24-09-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Oh and James - on demand on the Iphone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...adio_show.html

Fantastic! It works very well.

... but what about live streaming? Is that available?
Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Not very helpful but sometimes 3G may appear to have a strong signal when the reality is that it's very weak. This is compounded by 02s network.

In these scenarios it can be easier to switch to edge.

Is that a case of switching from O2-3g to just o2? I tried that and the speed was the same (i.e. non existent).

Dave 24-09-2008 06:29 PM

Quote:

... but what about live streaming? Is that available?
I believe there are third party apps that will allow you to stream live, these have the restriction of having to be be active in memory, so when using them you can't use anything else
Quote:

Is that a case of switching from O2-3g to just o2? I tried that and the speed was the same (i.e. non existent).
Yopu can disable 3G in settings --> general --> network

James 25-09-2008 08:58 PM

I am SO tempted to Jailbreak my 3g - and have downloaded all the necessary files and guides ... but I am nervous. Has anyone here done this to a new 3g IPhone who could perhaps give me some confidence (or, conversely, persuade me not to do it)?

The Iphone is one of the most frustrating gadgets I have ever owned - so much potential constrained by hardware restrictions.

Dave 25-09-2008 09:00 PM

It's really unlikely to be bricked, the risk is that your data gets lost

James 25-09-2008 09:11 PM

Surely not if I back it all up first?

Dave 25-09-2008 09:19 PM

The risk is you can't restore from backup

James 26-09-2008 01:42 AM

Hmmm ...

I was going to do it tonight. I'm going to leave it until the morning.

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bigdazza08 26-09-2008 02:07 AM

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James Melody 26-09-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by James


The Iphone is one of the most frustrating gadgets I have ever owned - so much potential constrained by hardware restrictions.

My thoughts exactly...

James 26-09-2008 01:57 PM

Actually - I didn't mean hardware restrictions!

I meant Firmware restrictions. The hardware itself has it all - but it is hamstrung by a very restrictive Operating System.

Still, you knew what I meant, didn't you?

Brett 26-09-2008 02:07 PM

Does nobody research products before buying them anymore?

Men At Work 26-09-2008 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
Does nobody research products before buying them anymore?
You couldn't launch a class action suit again the manufacturer if that happened.

James Melody 26-09-2008 02:15 PM

Yep.....I think the iPhone is 95% spot on....the other 5% though just makes me want to scream.

Ridcully 26-09-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Actually - I didn't mean hardware restrictions!

I meant Firmware restrictions. The hardware itself has it all - but it is hamstrung by a very restrictive Operating System.

Still, you knew what I meant, didn't you?

I am intrigued by this James, you listed 5 problem areas on the last page, all but the first one are resolved I believe with subsequent firmware and application upgrades although there were some problems down to the choice of OS you use on your PC. What does it not do for you?

Divx support is always patchy anyway, it requires licensing to use corporately which is why so many avoid it. MKV I'd prefer personally but I think you'll need to get the Ugly phone to get 3rd party open source support for that.

The iPhone whilst not perfect beats the WM6 platform hands down from my experience. It will however be interesting to see what happens when they bring a decent G-Phone out.

Ridcully 26-09-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James Melody
Yep.....I think the iPhone is 95% spot on....the other 5% though just makes me want to scream.
I'd like LEAP, if I had that I could use it at work.

Dave 26-09-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Divx support is always patchy anyway, it requires licensing to use corporately which is why so many avoid it.
XDVID is open source

Dave 26-09-2008 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Actually - I didn't mean hardware restrictions!

I meant Firmware restrictions. The hardware itself has it all - but it is hamstrung by a very restrictive Operating System.

Still, you knew what I meant, didn't you?

Then jailbreak it

James 26-09-2008 08:05 PM

I'm scared ..... !!

James 26-09-2008 08:05 PM

Doing it now ....

Ridcully 26-09-2008 09:40 PM

Good luck and do give us your views on how easy the process is and what its like afterwards (ie. what you can now run etc.)

I used a load of Cooked Roms on my Tytn and they broke the radio :(

Luckily I restored it back to factory settings and T-Mobile swapped it for a new one under warranty :lux:

Ridcully 26-09-2008 10:32 PM

Hmmm vlc4iphone looks good. Anyone have a good 3rd party app list?

I am tempted now to also go down this path.

Anyone else Jailbroken their 3G yet?

Ridcully 28-09-2008 09:52 PM

Have you killed it James?


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