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Blimey, another 495 cards. Good grief. The law of averages says probably another 18 of those will be Palace ones.
I think Panini know their customer base well, and a bit like Hornby trains or stamp collecting, collecting cards and stickers is becoming more and more of an adult pastime. You only have to work out how much it typically costs to complete a World Cup sticker album (and that's without the hardback book or the Swiss special edition silver edged stickers) to see that they know they can push it further and further away from kids pocket money range If we weren't in the Premier League, I suspect there would be nothing at all, apart from the fixture card that the box office issues! Talk about two different worlds! I wouldn't be surprised if Panini also do a further collection in March, equivalent to the old Match Attax Extra (to cover the January signings) I did enjoy the retro style cards 'inspired by Football 77' albeit there was only Wilf Zaha featured. They would make a cool subset. One of the big disappointments for me about the Prizm card collection is that the kits (or 'uniforms' as it says on the cards!) are out of date already! On the school playground, the kids are collecting either Adrenalyn (the natural Premier League successor to Match Attax) or Champions League Match Attax. Topps are really pushing the CL Match Attax hard through kids mags like MOTD, and it features all the 'big 6' clubs, so you can see the attraction. If Chelsea or Man Utd fall out of the European competitions, then Topps won't even be able to feature them in their CL collections! That would be good! |
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Everyone to their own as to what to collect, if cards are your forte, fair enough, it is your money and obviously brings enjoyment to you. Perhaps either you or Dorking can explain why send one card from USA that costs so little costs around £20 to be sent to the UK. It does not cost this to send one from UK to the USA. |
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The postage from the USA is circa $20 because of a thing called the global shipping programme. I'm not an expert on it, but my understanding is that the seller (usually in the USA) sends the item to a depot somewhere, and then it gets sent out from there to the customer.
The supposed attractiveness to the seller is that they don't have to work out all sorts of different postage prices for different countries/regions in the world, as ebay automatically quotes a price during the purchase. I think it also gives the seller some sort of protection when selling to the other side of the world that there won't be an accusation of "I never received it, I claim my refund", because the global shipping programme provides a tracked, signed for service. What these USA sellers don't realise, is that a $20 delivery levy effectively makes these cards unattractively priced. If you have to pay $20 postage for a $1 - $20 card, it's at least doubling the price, so unless you REALLY want a particular card it's a deterrect, and cards of a value above $20 then start to attract the attention of customs and import fees. Which is nuts when you think that these cards are of our local team up the road here in England! The far east sellers have a better chance of selling, as usually their postage rates are $6, and rarely more than $8 As I mentioned, I have a guy in Beijing who gets me cards at very good prices and sends them letter post to me, so $5 and no customs interference. I'm not in the market for the high priced stuff though. These card companies know exactly what they are doing when they intentionally create rare cards which are 1/10, 1/8, 1/5 and even 1/1. I've got some of these rarities from over the years, mainly when an exact card type only comes in such a limited number, but almost all have been from using contacts and being on the ball. Sometimes you have to be prepared to wait a very long time and set up ebay 'saved searches' to notify you months/years later! I don't see a great deal of point in paying out £100 for a card which is 1/10, when a near identical one is 1/100 and £15, the only difference being a slightly different background hue, and the miniscule serial number |
Even with the $20 postage, i bidded on a rarer Prizm card couple days back, totally forgot when bidding about not going over £20 mark to avoid the dreaded customs fees, But ebay added them on already :(
Subtotal (1 item) US $21.50 Postage US $16.58 Import charges US $11.72 Order total US $49.80 |
Hong Kong sellers are my preference for that very reason!
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Unfortunately, United States law requires us to specify the accurate value of the package. We apologize for the inconvenience. Looks like another £11-£14 customs extra charge:veryangry I'm done with getting stuff from the US |
Not read through ALL of this thread, so any of you collect Godfrey Phillips, Pinnace Football cards ? K card, medium and cabinet size
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Yes Beaky, My collection is from 1906 to 2013 - I completely lost interest when we hit the Prem and all those Parallel, Fragment of Player's shirts & Sig cards. Reading the last few posts, I am better off out of it, I think.
The Pinnace small cards are common as, the other sizes rare as the proverbial rocking house merde. Anything you want to know? |
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Appreciate the medium and cabinet size versions are like acquiring hens teeth, but any of you use auction houses to get these and if so, which one's ? E-Bay I find is more for the K size (small) variety here |
I have a medium size Pinnace card for J. Whibley. I bought it in 1997 from Murray's card shop in Hendon (from memory a long a slow tube journey away!) It cost me £2.60
I also have a medium card for B Menlove, albeit at the bottom it says Sheffield United I must admit, I don't think I have seen a medium size Palace card for sale since then. Cabinet size, I have A. Wood, J. Connor, J. Little, and R. McCracken. These were worth £7.50 in 1997 I must admit, I don't really keep up with collecting Palace cigarette cards these days, as I found filling the last few gaps in my collection almost impossible. If anyone has a current, or even recent Cig Card catalogue, I would be interested (and grateful) if they could let me know what the catalogue price is these days for the 1913 Taddy Prominent Footballer cards. I have all the Palace ones now, but I am just curious as to how much they are listed for (original cards, not reprint series) I am ever hopeful of one day obtaining the Pattreiouex/Casket card "F 167" (Radford and Mew) from Footballers 1922. I have a picture of it, but would like one day to get the real thing! Any leads appreciated! Also a question (probably for Neil). Which Palace player is sticker number 79 from Top Sellers Football 72 ? (78 is Sewell and 80 is Kember). It's probably not all that rare, but it's an annoying gap! |
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Blimey! I remember there being the 4 different back versions for the miniature cards, but could never be doing with hunting every last possible variation!
I used to have a book about them, and I believe it had a picture of every single miniature card! I wouldn't be surprised if the only 'easy to get' medium sized Pinnace cards are for the rugby teams that are featured |
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If people don't mind playing the long game, then pretty much all of the various Prizm cards will find their way to the Far East sellers/traders in the long run. Of course there will be some rare parallels which might not, but if you're in that game, then you are probably prepared to pay the postage.
The rarest Palace card in the Prizm series this year is the Color Blast card. There is only one of these cards in every 8 cases, and then you have to factor in that there are 30 different Colour Blast cards, of which the Benteke card is only one. Apparently the Benteke one sold for $120 at a local auction over there. On ebay, you'd be 'lucky' to get a Color Blast card for under £200 to be honest, more for a player from one of the 'big clubs' and goodness knows what for a /5 gold power version, if any of these even get offered for sale (many would simply get traded directly between high end collectors) |
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Yes. Although before this season Panini didn't hold the licence to produce Premier League stuff, Topps did.
So last season, Topps were producing all the Premier League cards and stickers, and Panini were doing International stuff. So Panini did the (very famous) World Cup 2018 sticker album, but also a 2018 World Cup Prizm card collection Until the end of last season, Topps had the Premier League licence, and had a very successful card collection out every year called Match Attax, but also some 'premium' card series, such as Premier Gold, and Platinum. In my opinion, Panini are best at the sticker collections and Topps are best at card collections. The way it works though is that one company gets the Premier League licence, and produces everything. It's sometimes a bit hit and miss. This season (2019/20) Topps do have the UEFA license, so are producing Match Attax cards and presumably also stickers for the Champions League and Europa League. Their Champions League/Europa League Match Attax card collection therefore features all 7 teams that are in Europe (all the 'big 6' plus Wolves), but then also all the other big Euro teams like Barca, Real Madrid etc. So it's quite attractive to glory hunting kids, as it's all the teams kids are attracted to, and can include Messi, Ronaldo etc. Yuk! |
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As i've now broken the bad of the cards i wanted, I'll just sit back and hopefully of coming time the other cards will trickle through at a lower price eg, Orange /25,Gold /10, Gold power /5 As i've seen from the Topps collections back from 2014, 2015, 2016, some of the rarer ones are a lot cheaper and can easy be picked up on the chaep side now |
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Thank you Neil, appreciated!
John - Yep same, got one of every Prizm card apart from the color blast card. Bought some bundles of different base card parallels just to have a range of the different card effects, but nowhere near all the 20+ different types! Bought what I like the look of but not what I consider is taking the pi$$! |
PANINI PRIZM 19/20 PREMIER LEAGUE SWAP SHOP!
I have the following base cards as duplicates, which I am looking to swap (for anything I haven't got!)
214 GUAITA Silver Hyper 215 WARD Multicolour 216 TOMKINS Hyper 217 SCHLUPP Breakaway silver 218 VAN AANHOLT Hyper Breakaway silver 219 SAKHO Base Multicolour Red /149 Breakaway Teal /35 220 MCARTHUR Breakaway silver Breakaway Violet /75 221 MILIVOJEVIC Multicolour Hyper Blue /199 Breakaway silver 222 KOUYATE Breakaway silver 223 TOWNSEND Silver Multicolour Hyper Blue /199 224 MEYER Hyper 225 ZAHA Breakaway silver 226 KELLY Multicolour Breakaway silver 227 WICKHAM Multicolour Please note 'Silver' cards are almost identical to 'base' (apart from the prizm effect if you hold to light) and 'Hyper' cards are almost identical to Breakaway Silver cards. If any collectors have very specific base cards that they are after that aren't mentioned above, whilst I may not have it in duplicate myself, I may be willing to swap what I have for cards that I need (so just ask) Trades by pm preferred! |
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Breakaway silver can also be called just Breakaway. It is basically like a 'Football 87' shiny sticker (ie sparkly) and incredibly similar to 'Hyper'
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No probs! Sorted all mine out into folder pockets now, got more than enough and certainly not buying any more!
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Panini Premier League Football 2020 Sticker Collection - due out 9th January 2020. Wierdly, some listings have already started on ebay which suggests perhaps an earlier than expected release date?
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Panini Sticker collection out tomorrow by all accounts.
Looks a lot more appealing than the weak offerings by Topps in recent years https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogspot.com/ And looks like they are doing collector tins as well |
I really like the new panini album. I prefer it having more stickers of the squad rather than just 10 or 11 as Topps did.
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I just sent off for the Palace ones to be honest. But agree, Panini are best at sticker collections (and imo Topps are best at cards). Unfortunately at any one time, only one of them can have the PL licence!
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It's in the same sort of scale as when it was Panini Football 86 when I was a kid.
In those days, there were a team photo sticker and a shiny half sticker of the club badge Plus half stickers of the Scottish Prem teams! Does look nice though |
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2019-20 Panini Obsidian Soccer
Panini America Galaxy Gear..22. Christian Benteke (Crystal Palace)purple/green/yellow red parallels Volcanic..23. Gary Cahill (Crystal Palace) purple/orange yellow Aurora(autograph)..12. Gary Cahill (Crystal Palace) Jersey Autographs...5. Christian Benteke (Crystal Palace) Dual Jersey Ink..1. Gary Cahill (Crystal Palace) |
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Its another USA release, I might try for a couple . yet another expensive release
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These new cards looks difficult to get and what ones out there are expensive, the postage the Americans are charging is a joke $20+ , ( shipping programme)
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Some 'Euro 2020' themed stickers and cards:
Panini - Road to Euro 2020 sticker collection 416 Tosun 435 Hennessey Panini - Road to UEFA Euro 2020 Adrenalyn XL Card collection 224 Tosun 226 Hennessey 351 Tosun Panini - Adrenalyn XL Euro 2020 Cards 152 Sorloth 350 Tosun 371 Hennessey School Shop - Euro 2020 stickers Tosun Milivojevic (354) Benteke McCarthy Hennessey (numbers not yet known, will post when I know it) |
Futera-World football unique 2020
FUTERA WORLD FOOTBALL UNIQUE 2020 Collection Limited Release of only 250 cases worldwide ON-CARD AUTOGRAPHS GAME-USED MEMORABILIA 24ct GOLD PLATED FRAMED CARDS With only 250 cases...I expect prices to be high FUTERA '1 of 1' on-card signed Autograph cards Only 1 card has been created for each player 668 cards Zaha ON-CARD SIGNED AUTOGRAPH SETS INCLUDE: * PITCHSIDE * SUPERSTARS* ARCHIVE * TRIUMPH Each card states the date and place that the player signed the card. All cards are individually foil-numbered with a unique security/data code. The following Sets are limited to 35 or less on-card signatures per player. TR-91..Zaha PS-98..Zaha |
The Futera Unique 2020 collection is simply vast, but then so much of it is 1/1 auto cards, which makes it a needle in a haystack exercise tbh
LEG40 Gareth Southgate TN13 Southgate/Walker CH18 Southgate (as a coach) ZG07 Southgate MYTH030 Edgar Davids MYTH076 Atilio Lombardo MYTH112 Gareth Southgate 1 on 1 cards (combos and autos) Southgate Allardyce Jordan Ayew Steve Bruce Yohan Cabaye Gary Cahill Chung Yong Lee Stan Collymore Steve Coppell Edgar Davids Frank DeBoer Mathieu Flamini Jose Fonte Mikael Forsell Timothy Fosu-Mensah Brede Hangeland Hermann Hreidarsson Sun Jihai Gabor Kiraly Joe Ledley Loic Remy Gareth Southgate Terry Venables Ray Wilkins Ian Wright Wilfried Zaha TR07 Christian Benteke TR45 Cheikhou Kouyate TR58 Luka Milivojevic TR67 Jairo Riedewald TR85 Patrick Van Aanholt TR91 Wilfried Zaha PS82 Mamadou Sakho PS95 Aaron Wan Bissaka PS98 Wilfried Zaha TRA02 Michy Batshuayi SSA21 James McCarthy |
Cheers for the full break down, A lot too look out for
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For me, I feel that Futera cards are a bit 'take it or leave it'. They don't have the EPL licence, so although I don't doubt they are genuine autos and jerseys, they feel like fakes to me. It's almost as if they are just a cards division of some sort of mass autograph collecting operation.
Panini Impeccable on the way mid April. All 20 EPL clubs featured apparently, but with a presale price tag of $599 for an 8 card box, it sounds absolutely barmy to me! |
Haven't seen any Futera unique 2020 cards yet. Has the series been shelved?
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How you getting on with the Obsidian cards ?, I managed to get a few of the parallels,
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Got all five of them, not bothered about parallels for these.
Would imagine that the Adrenalyn XL cards will have an 'update' set very soon (with January signings etc). |
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Just seen that a Benteke Prizm color blast went for $90. Don't think I will ever get that card! Any news on Adrenalyn XL extra cards, the Panini Stickers 'update' set, Futera Unique? Has the virus put a global kybosh on new cards and stickers? |
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Only news that i know about the above collections..Panini has issued a coming very soon advert on the update stickers |
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Looks like the Panini Football 2020 'update' set of 48 (stickers) are imminent to be released
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Never heard of these before ,
Manchester Utd v Crystal Palace Victory cards 2004/2005 https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...kgRabD365MRoBg MU10-04. Manchester United 2-0 Crystal Palace (Football League Cup) MU17-04. Manchester United 5-2 Crystal Palace |
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Yep, seen them before. Basically they are like result cards whenever the 'big club' won a game. So every one that exists featuring Palace will be a Palace defeat! I think Arsenal and Liverpool did them, as well as Ipswich (!) EDIT - go onto ebay.co.uk and search for 'Victory Card Palace' and you'll see all sorts of defeats for Palace commemorated with a special dodgy franked stamp, against Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United and Ipswich Town! https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...alace&_sacat=0 |
Thank you, i didn't know any thing about these, just brought one of each now what was listed, Is there any check lists any where ?
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U15 Pierrick Keutcha U16 Cenk Tosun |
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Thank you! Thought I was going mad!
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2020 Futera PITCHSIDE WILFRIED ZAHA AUTO
The only Palace player i've seen so far from this collection https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Fb0AA...nP/s-l1600.jpg |
It's a nice card. I like that he signs autographs a bit like Zorro!
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Nice cards, These cards, take it our players are in their international kits , not cpfc colours ?
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Yep, Futera = international kits, only Panini have the Premier League licence to use Palace kits.
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Onto real cards, not this modern stuff, and I filled a longstanding gap this week. Have had this one as a saved search on ebay for 20 years.
Attachment 53845 I have long been on the hunt for 'F167' and I have only ever seen it surface once before, when it sold for a very high price. The reason it went for so much the one previous time I saw it is the subject matter - it is Manchester United v Crystal Palace, from the days when Man Utd were a 2nd division team, and anything of this age featuring United goes for way more than it would normally otherwise Luckily (for me) in this instance it was a 'Buy it now' and I got there before anyone else. The card is a Pattreiouex 1922 'Casket' cigarette card by the way . |
Congrats, I've so may missing gaps in the older selection like the card above, But also, i tend to forget to search them down
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Panini Chronicles just out, my contact in China has only seen these 2 Palace cards so far: Attachment 53866 |
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Some of the Chronicles cards are just stupid really
Take this card Attachment 53867 It's a 5/5 and the seller is asking $179 So say you were to haggle it to $100, there is still $15 postage, plus probably $30 customs on top It is ridiculous having /5 and 1/1 cards that aren't auto's or (multi) relics (or auto'd relics!) IMO You'd have to be on Benteke's salary to collect such cards! It's gone stupid, it really has. Unless you actually buy cases as a dealer or get lucky in breaks then you aren't going to get anything like this! |
Some joker is hoping for $60 for a /99 prism from this new series (and that's before $18 shipping!). Overpriced by only about $55!
There are cards for 99 cents, but with $20+ postage! Really is a pain that these collections are aimed at the U.S. market! |
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Nice, just need too hunt a couple down :p
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Chronicles isn't too bad when you break it down - basically it is 10 base cards (the Donruss ones), and the 'shiny' red versions are as easy to find as the plain base versions; and a 6 'specials' which are like inserts.
The only ones I haven't even seen are the Benteke auto and the two jersey cards, but I'm in no great rush. The majority online are US based, so postage is the only real issue, but there's no need to worry, and in time they will become very easy once the Australian and far east sellers get into it Not long and Impeccable will be out |
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Benteke auto - yes I think you are right - checklist suggests it's a 1/1 (will forget that then!!)
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Also doesn't help that a Hennessey is a make of car in the USA! So unless you refine the search on ebay.com, you get a vehicle search form!
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Benteke Colour blast listed on ebay £775 !!!!:eek::eek::eek:
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