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Grim Reaper 02-05-2021 09:24 PM

Julia Roberts :love::love:

Grim Reaper 02-05-2021 09:27 PM

I refuse to believe for even one second that anyone took the time and trouble to contact Croydon Cablevision to ask for more clips of the United Artists Fairfield Fun Day!

Showing Wrighty's first two goals would have been more preferable!

Grim Reaper 02-05-2021 09:30 PM

As for that game, my main memories are

1. The Wright 2nd goal. I swear he was in his own half when he scored that on the day or at the very least the centre spot. Another one, like Deano v Derby, that's got closer over the years. Practically a tap-in compared to how I remember it.

2. First time I set eyes on the Palace Niagara leisure shirt. Instant love. Bought it the first chance I got the following week.

3. I got on the slow train from Haydons Road going through every stop via Croydon and then Victoria before heading back to Chatham. Made no sense on the face of it but didn't want the day to end and was happy carrying on the sing song on the train even though it meant I got home probably an hour later.

bubbs11 03-05-2021 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15769000)
Julia Roberts :love::love:

Sheís an author now under the name J.G Roberts. Still a Palace fan too from what Iíve read.

Mark Gardiner 03-05-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15768989)

Was there ever a single punch thrown at a Wimbledon-Palace match?

Usually a few thrown on the pitch - remember Supa Al going mano-a-mano with Fashanu at Plough Lane before the '90 Cup Final.

Bipe 05-05-2021 07:54 PM

New entries into the top ten for week ending 4 May 1991:

Last Train To Trancentral by The KLF featuring The Children of the Revolution - almost as big a hit as their previous number 1 smash 3am Eternal earlier in the season, this one got to number 2 and it followed a similar blueprint. Good track.

Born Free by Vic Reeves and The Roman Numerals - continuing the theme of pointless covers which has run throughout the season, Reeves always fancied himself as a crooner and so decided to cash in on his sudden rise to the top of the avant garde comedy scene.

Get The Message by Electronic - a New Order / Smiths supergroup with a bit of Pet Shop Boys thrown in for good measure, this was their debut hit I think. Not one that particularly sticks in the memory banks though.

Ring Ring Ring (Ha Ha Hey) by De La Soul - I loved their debut album 3 Feet High And Rising. Wasn't so keen on this track.

JJ 06-05-2021 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by John from Beare Green (Post 15768784)
It was a low terrace... and i couldn't see the goal line (shallow terrace, restricted view) but the fans at the front right behind the goall started jumping aup and down so I realised he'd done it!

Apart from IW's second goal, this is my abiding memory of that game, for all 3 goals. I must have been standing nearer the back, but the only way I knew the ball was in the net for any of the goals was when the fans lower down celebrated.

Bipe 09-05-2021 09:31 AM

And so we come to the final game of this epic season. 11 May 1991, Palace 3 Wankers 0.

A most satisfying way to end the campaign, with two successive 3-0 wins. In fact our form during the run in was very solid with just the one defeat at Anfield and 11 points in our last six games to finish in a comfortable third place. As mentioned previously the satisfaction of stuffing the Wankers was tempered somewhat by the knowledge that they didn't really care, having rested several key players for their Cup Winner's Cup final just a few days later. Nevertheless we put in a thoroughly professional performance, Salako adding a couple of nice strikes to Wright's early goal in front of a large crowd who wanted to recognise the players' achievements over the campaign.

One of the 'reserves' put out by the Wankers was recent signing Andrei Kanchelskis, who was being blooded gradually and not considered ready for regular first team action. He immediately stood out in this game though as a winger who could cause defences problems.

So our final stats for the season:

20 wins
9 draws
9 defeats
50 goals scored
41 goals conceded
69 points

We finished 14 points behind champions Arsenal and 7 behind Liverpool in second place, with Leeds 5 points further back. Our goal difference of only +9 tells the story of why we couldn't quite break through all the way to the top - Arsenal were a massive (having conceded a ridiculous 18 goals) +56 and Liverpool +37. No team in the top half of the table scored fewer goals than us (Everton equal on 50). Wright finished as our top scorer with 15 in the league and 25 in total. Geoff Thomas though was a deserved player of the year winner. Our consistency through the season was illustrated by the fact that we never dropped out of third place after beating Luton on 16 December and (ignoring the opening day draw) we were never lower than 5th all season.

Looking at the rest of the table, Derby went down by miles on a meagre 24 points and Sunderland followed them, finishing three points behind Luton. Only two teams were relegated that year as the league restructured back up from 20 to 22 sides. Wimbledon were the next best London club after us, in 7th. Today's ESL pioneers Spurs and Chelsea finished 10th and 11th respectively.

So a wonderful season overall, with a league placing we will struggle to ever equal and some (sort of) silverware in the cabinet. Players such as Wright, Bright, Thomas and Martyn had established themselves as top level stars, and Salako was seen as a real emerging talent. All of those bar the unlucky Bright would tour down under with England over the summer.

Once others have shared memories of the Wankers game and maybe the season overall, I'll do a 'what happened next' bit to round off the thread.

Some fantastic memories for me, even if our tracking of the season has revealed that some games have remained fresher in the memory banks than others. It felt good to be following a side home and away with such character and resilience, and with the two up top we went into every game feeling as though we had a chance.

Maiden Eagle 09-05-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15778106)
One of the 'reserves' put out by the Wankers was recent signing Andrei Kanchelskis, who was being blooded gradually and not considered ready for regular first team action. He immediately stood out in this game though as a winger who could cause defences problems.

Funny you mention him, I was at this game (in the posh seats, for some reason, with my Dad) and we both noticed how handy he looked.

And it reminded me of a story by Warnock, in one of his books. The very first game of the next season, Warnock's newly promoted Notts County, went to Old Trafford. So when Neil got the Moan U team sheet, he saw the usual names, Bruce, Pallister, McClair, Ince........and Andrei Kancelskis.

Can't believe he didn't do his homework and he may have put this in the book, to sound good, but he or his staff didn't know who the hell he was and he kept ranting 'Who the **** is Andrei Kanchelskis ??'

Anyway, Kanchelskis ran them ragged and the Wankers won easily. And afterwards, the poor bloke, who had tried to mark him said sadly 'I think we know who Andrei Kanchelskis is now, boss':)

N Herts Eagle 09-05-2021 10:31 AM

So this was the game of the dream. I have one abiding memory of the game. Its was easy simple the goal tally mounted 1 then 2 and finally the glorious 3rd. With Utd offering nothing. The bet was going to pay out I was convinced we only needed 1 more. By now the usual crowd we stood around that season knew about the dream the bet.
Late in the game Andy Gray broke clear one on one with the keeper the cheer loud in the air and there it was....the stupid fool put it wide. My mate and those around laughing at the despair. One stupid moment at the end of the glorious season. I really did not care it had been a joyous season one etched in memories.

But the most abiding was the final one walking away from the ground turning to the guy I went to football with for nearly 30 years. Saying to himwe had just witnessed the greatest team ever ti represent Palace and maybe the greatest there ever will be. He agreed. Little did we know then for him it was true he never saw a greater team. Like many young and old I still dream I will.


Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread Partucularly to Bipe a great thread that has been really enjoyable to read and recollect. Though for the life of me the pop music passed me by it was Bruce Springsteen at some ridiculous level going to games for me.

King William 09-05-2021 11:19 AM

my abiding memory of that game was the Stevie C Red n Blue army chant for what seemed like the whole 45 minutes of the 2nd half (probably wasnt anythign like that amoiunt of time!) and all 4 sides of the ground joining in

JJ 09-05-2021 11:48 AM

I think it was the first/only time all season we won a home game by more than 1 goal.

I remember being impressed by Kanchelskis, how he kept the ball under such close control while running at high speed. Similar to Anders Limpar in that respect.

On a slightly unfortunate note - and I might be misremembering this - but it was the game before they played Barcelona in the Cup Winners Cup Final, and I think there may have even been a fair bit of a feeling of some Palace fans wishing them good luck for that game in the ground. Even though they'd broken our hearts at Wembley the year before, the real anti-wanker angst didn't really hit the full heights until the 95/C*ntona/FA Cup semi final period. I even think I remember someone having a banner wishing them luck for the CWC going on the pitch at the end of the game, and the wanker fans applauding. Have I got that completely wrong, anyone else remember it?

Mark Gardiner 09-05-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15778523)
I think it was the first/only time all season we won a home game by more than 1 goal.

I remember being impressed by Kanchelskis, how he kept the ball under such close control while running at high speed. Similar to Anders Limpar in that respect.

On a slightly unfortunate note - and I might be misremembering this - but it was the game before they played Barcelona in the Cup Winners Cup Final, and I think there may have even been a fair bit of a feeling of some Palace fans wishing them good luck for that game in the ground. Even though they'd broken our hearts at Wembley the year before, the real anti-wanker angst didn't really hit the full heights until the 95/C*ntona/FA Cup semi final period. I also think I remember someone having a banner wishing them luck for the CWC going on the pitch at the end of the game, and the wanker fans applauding. Have I got that completely wrong, anyone else remember it?

Don't recall that. Possible conflation with the last game of previous season when City fans wished us luck?

JJ 09-05-2021 11:54 AM

No, I wasn't at the 2-2 City game (it was the only home game I missed that season, due to having to go to a wedding.)

Grim Reaper 09-05-2021 06:01 PM

My memory of that game was a piss poor effort at singing 'Barca-Barcelona' as some sort of villainous anti-United thing. I cringe when I think about it but I was still at school and didn't know any better!

Great end to the season though the earlier comments about Kanchelskis are spot on - he was a threat and I think the scoreline was slightly flattering. Had their proper teams played it would have been closer for sure.

The pitch invasion was customary but not quite as joyous as the two previous ones - there wasn't that absolute pandemonium of the 89 play offs or the joy of teaming up with City fans in the sun that we'd had in 1990. It was more like a polite walk onto the pitch in recognition of a job well done.

I remember being out that night and feeling a tad sad that the season was over. It would never be as good as that again and deep down I think I knew it.

Still, I was straight to the club shop to get the Bukta Niagara leisure top which I'd fallen in love with when I saw fans wearing it at Plough Lane the previous week. That beauty was stuck to my body for most of the summer including the strange time I got thrown out of Bayern Munich's Olympic Stadium by Rod Stewart's roadies (even more impressive given there wasn't a concert on that day!) Funnily I look at it now and think 'WTF?' but that was the era of Celtics's 'mountain range' away shirt and the Arsenal bruised banana shirt - crazy designs were very much in vogue.

Latvian Eagle 09-05-2021 06:37 PM

I have three abiding memories of that day...

1. Whilst my Dad and I were walking up Holmesdale Road towards the Arthur Wait stand a fella obviously in a rush went ploughing into me, I was only 7 at the time and went flying, didn't seem to hurt too much though as I picked myself up and carried on.

2. The fact we smashed Man Utd 3-0 who I thought must be the best team in the World as they had won the FA Cup the season before. :moo:

3. Going back to our caravan near Chichester afterwards and proceeding to smash balls past Claire my little girlfriend at the time pretending she as Gary Walsh and I was Ian Wright/ John Salako etc. :D

Mr Mojo Risin 09-05-2021 08:06 PM

I'm too young to remember this season but I've really enjoyed reading this thread and all of the contributions. Hopefully I will be able to experience a season like that in my lifetime but with European qualification as well!

Olympian2 09-05-2021 08:33 PM

It’s been a brilliant thread. Thanks to everyone for their input, especially Bipe, bubbs11 & Grim Reaper - it’s brought back some great & very specific memories!

November85 09-05-2021 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by King William (Post 15778298)
my abiding memory of that game was the Stevie C Red n Blue army chant for what seemed like the whole 45 minutes of the 2nd half (probably wasnt anythign like that amoiunt of time!) and all 4 sides of the ground joining in

I was a kid in the Whitehorse and I remember that. I almost went into a trance it went on so long.

stumpy feelers 09-05-2021 09:13 PM

Great thread, really good read. We'll never see a team like this again.

bubbs11 09-05-2021 09:38 PM

PALACE 3. Salako 2. Wright
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Man Utd: Walsh Donaghy Irwin Bruce. Pallister Ince. Ferguson Kanchelskis Webb. Wallace Robins. Subs: Wratten (Robbins). Beardsmore (Pallister)

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bubbs11 09-05-2021 10:07 PM

What a way to end our best ever league season. Even though Man U weren’t at full strength, it still felt good to give them a good hiding. Don’t recall being ecstatic though. There was a tinge of sadness about the day for me. It was the end of a fantastic season but the way we were cheated out of Europe left a bad taste. To finish 3rd and not have any reward at the end of it left a flat feeling. We were also playing a club who 4 days later would be playing in a European final that so easily could’ve been us instead if we’d held on for 7 minutes the previous season.

Coppell was not in attendance for this game as he had dental work. Shame, as he, as much as anyone, deserved the cheers and applause at the walk round at the end. I see also that McGoldrick refused to walk round after sulking due to being subbed. :D

Even though I was still seething over the UEFA stitch up, I felt strongly that it was still onwards and upwards the following season. Coppell’s sides had improved year on, year out since he joined in 1984, so why would the following season be any different? In typical Palace style, things were about to go depressingly wrong in the following months.



Can I just thank Bipe for starting this thread and keeping it going throughout the year. It has been great to relive that season and hear others recollections. Also great for me to share my clippings from each game and means all my hard work putting them together back then and stopping Mrs Bubbs throwing them out, finally went to some use.

I’ll leave you all with my tribute to a most unbelievable season....



cappuccinoeagle 09-05-2021 10:45 PM

Superb thread.
Zara Long, thereís a blast from the past, didnít know she was a Palace fan.
And Dean Gordon, Young Player Of The Year.

singapore eagle 10-05-2021 02:14 AM

What a great thread this has been. Thanks to Bipe and bubbs11 and everyone else for taking it all the way through.

I was 15 at the time, so that team were all heroes to me. I especially loved Gray and Thomas in the midfield (so much so that I think I sub-consciously demand that every central midfielder who turns up at Palace plays exactly like them).

I do remember feeling optimistic about the next season. It was still a really young team (especially compared to the current bunch of old-timers). And I reckoned that the Salako-Gray-Thomas-McGoldrick / Wright-Bright line-up was as good as anything in the league. If Noades got his cheque book out like he did the previous summer, we could really be in business.

Golf Boy 10-05-2021 05:31 AM

Only 3 other teams scored less goal than us in the season.

stevek 10-05-2021 07:13 AM

Superb thread on a superb season. Thanks to Bipe and Bubbs and everyone else who has contributed.

JJ 10-05-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Golf Boy (Post 15779786)
Only 3 other teams scored less goal than us in the season.

8 - QPR, Sheff Utd, Norwich, Coventry, Aston Villa, Luton, Sunderland and Derby all scored fewer goals than our 50.

Bipe 10-05-2021 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15779883)
8 - QPR, Sheff Utd, Norwich, Coventry, Aston Villa, Luton, Sunderland and Derby all scored fewer goals than our 50.

It would have been a season for the ages if 17 of the 20 teams had scored 50+ goals over the course of it!

Golf Boy 10-05-2021 07:50 AM

I somehow got 26 and 24 to add up to 40. Still the majority of teams scored more and we look back on those days as exciting football.

Polak 10-05-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15779410)
Even though Man U weren’t at full strength, it still felt good to give them a good hiding.

Thanks for the video. That was excellent.

I remember man united saying that they were resting players and that's why we beat them to try and take the gloss off of our victory. That disappointed me a bit but it's not like we scraped a 1-0. We thumped them 3-0 so their excuse was a bit lame.

Ron Noakes 10-05-2021 09:40 PM

Those Were The Days indeed. Thanks to Bipe, Bubbs et al. It really has been emotional.

Sodermalm 10-05-2021 09:46 PM

I was 18 at the start of the season and had been a season ticket holder for 4 years. I assumed that we would continue in such a wonderful way for many years...

Grim Reaper 10-05-2021 10:40 PM

Great choice of song for the video Bubbs. Not a song I either liked or disliked before today - you've just made me love it now sticking it with those clips.

That age of being 17/18 was the perfect age in some ways for that season - old enough to go most weeks at home but young enough to still worship the players. That said, being older and earning a proper wage would have been nice as I'd love to have done more away games.

Norwich, Derby, QPR, Southampton all looked like class away days - would have loved to have been on those terraces.

wrightchipvcfc 11-05-2021 03:01 PM

Great thread great work by bipe bubbs and all that contributed probaly one of my favourite palace season along with 1979 /80 and championship winning season under smith.

wrightchipvcfc 11-05-2021 03:07 PM

Great thread great work by bipe bubbs and all that contributed probaly one of my favourite palace season along with 1979 /80 and championship winning season under smith.

PemboExpress 11-05-2021 03:21 PM

Wish I had kept abreast of this thread more during the season too add more thoughts, but time has got in the way.

I distinctly remember the last 2 games, Wimbledon away and Utd at home. Wrighty getting stick from the wombles in the 1st half as he missed a couple of chances only to crucify them 2nd half. I still think his volley goal from almost the halfway line is one of the best I have ever seen live.

I recall us being fortunate to beat Utd 3-0. They were much the better team 1st half iirc, with Kanchelskis and Giggs (playing only his 2nd game ?) tormenting us. I remember leaving the ground and thinking United by be useful in a season or 2.

Anyway, it was an awesome season to watch and wonder.

Thanks to Bipe and Bubbs for keeping The thread going with press cuttings etc. and others for contributing. I will have a full read one day.

Edit - just checked the team sheets that day and Giggs not involved. Maybe it was the following season in his case. Memory playing tricks with me.

Latvian Eagle 11-05-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15781592)
Wish I had kept abreast of this thread more during the season too add more thoughts, but time has got in the way.

I distinctly remember the last 2 games, Wimbledon away and Utd at home. Wrighty getting stick from the wombles in the 1st half as he missed a couple of chances only to crucify them 2nd half. I still think his volley goal from almost the halfway line is one of the best I have ever seen live.

I recall us being fortunate to beat Utd 3-0. They were much the better team 1st half iirc, with Kanchelskis and Giggs (playing only his 2nd game ?) tormenting us. I remember leaving the ground and thinking United by be useful in a season or 2.

Anyway, it was an awesome season to watch and wonder.

Thanks to Bipe and Bubbs for keeping The thread going with press cuttings etc. and others for contributing. I will have a full read one day.

Edit - just checked the team sheets that day and Giggs not involved. Maybe it was the following season in his case. Memory playing tricks with me.

Following season when we lost 1-3 to United, Giggs was only in one of his first appearances and he absolutely tore us apart that day. We scored a bit of a lucky Paul Mortimer header. I just remember seeing Peter Schmeichel towering in their goal and thinking how are we ever going to score past this guy?!

art malice 11-05-2021 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15781628)
Following season when we lost 1-3 to United, Giggs was only in one of his first appearances and he absolutely tore us apart that day. We scored a bit of a lucky Paul Mortimer header. I just remember seeing Peter Schmeichel towering in their goal and thinking how are we ever going to score past this guy?!

Yeah Giggs was frightening.

Grim Reaper 11-05-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15781661)
Yeah Giggs was frightening.

That was literally the day after his 18th birthday. The day United beat us 3-1 it was a week short of my 19th birthday. It hit me that he already achieved more as an 18 year in one day than I'd managed in 51 weeks! What a depressing day that was :wallbash:

art malice 11-05-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15781738)
That was literally the day after his 18th birthday. The day United beat us 3-1 it was a week short of my 19th birthday. It hit me that he already achieved more as an 18 year in one day than I'd managed in 51 weeks! What a depressing day that was :wallbash:

Yeah but look at him now eh?

Bipe 11-05-2021 05:45 PM

I remember at the time thinking that maybe the tide was starting to turn, in terms of the bigger teams making themselves stronger. It seemed to me that we may as well enjoy it while it lasted because we may struggle to keep pace. We were seeing the first real wave of overseas players coming in, generally there was a definite upgrade in quality and it was the big sides who were leading the way. Kanchelskis shortly followed by Schmichael at United was a good example, of course the following season Leeds unearthed Eric Cantona and the rest is history. Within a few years Chelsea were spending big under the patronage of Matthew Harding, tempting the likes of Gullitt and Vialli their dump of a ground, and United were faced with the dilemma of which of their array of foreign stars to leave out of their champions league ties with the restriction still at 3 overseas players per team. With hindsight we never really stood a chance once the money men started pouring in, Uncle Ron was not in the same league as the sugar daddies and hard nosed corporate men.

In many ways typical Palace that we ended up getting relegated in the first premier league season although it probably wouldn't have made all that much difference had we stayed up for a couple more years. The likes of Oldham and Coventry would stick around for a bit but once they were gone, they were gone. We have done well to get back up there and stay put for as long as we have.

Bipe 11-05-2021 06:07 PM

Onto the final top ten breakers of this season then, for week ending 11 May:

Touch Me (All Night Long) by Cathy Dennis - certainly an enticing offer for an 18 year old Bipe, young Cathy had a lithe frame which you could imagine manoeuvring itself into all sorts of gymnastic contortions. The song itself has left no impression though.

There's No Other Way by Blur - this was their debut proper hit, a fairly mediocre slice of Madchester style indie-pop. Their real breakthrough came in 1994 with the Parklife album which I thought was groundbreaking at the time.

Just for the hell of it, a few standout tracks from the rest of 1991 which I won't otherwise get the chance to waffle on about:

June: (Everything I Do) I Do It For You by Bryan Adams - here it is, number 1 for a record-breaking 16 weeks and easily the biggest selling single of the year. In reality a pretty uninspiring ballad from a mediocre film. This month also saw Rod Stewart briefly hit the top ten again with 'The Motown Song', see my earlier comments on this thread about the fact that he'd given up trying in any way to be relevant by this point, it was an abomination.

July: Always There by Incognito - a nightclub staple at the time and as such it brings back happy memories for me. Also an honourable mention this month for You Could Be Mine by Guns 'n' Roses, one of the all time top rock intros and tied in the the summer box-office smash movie Terminator 2.

August: I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred - massive novelty hit, harmless fun at the time, shame they have now turned out to be alt-right weirdos. This month also saw Summertime by DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, which I stand firmly behind today as one of the great and criminally overlooked summer tracks. Plus The Prodigy with their first hit Charly, a children's safety film converted into a rave anthem.

September: Not a lot going on this month so a quick mention for Love...Thy Will Be Done by Martika because I used to fancy her.

October: What a dreadful month. We had The Scorpions with their cliched 'fall of the iron curtain' power ballad Wind of Change, Julian Lennon's horrible dirge Saltwater on which he sounded exactly like his dad at his most maudlin, earworm (not in a good way) Get Ready For This by 2 Unlimited to name but a few duds.

November - The KLF AKA The Justified Ancients Of Mu-Mu returned with the bizarre It's Grim Up North, kiddie fiddler Michael Jackson scored a huge hit with the unimpressive Black Or White, Seal cashed in with a rehash of Killer and a band called Nirvana arrived on the scene with Smells Like Teen Spirit, riff from More Than A Feeling and all.

December - The KLF were back again, this time with Tammy Wynette for Justified and Ancient which was as bonkers as it was brilliant. The woeful Simply Red returned with Stars, a song so middle of the road it should have had dotted white lines running around the grooves, and Queen hit the Christmas number one thanks to the death of Freddie Mercury with the re-released Bohemian Rhapsody which I have always just found annoying.

stevek 12-05-2021 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15781661)
Yeah Giggs was frightening.

Am I right that he was up against a young Gareth Southgate playing out of position at right back?

Grim Reaper 12-05-2021 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15781796)
Onto the final top ten breakers of this season then, for week ending 11 May:

Touch Me (All Night Long) by Cathy Dennis - certainly an enticing offer for an 18 year old Bipe, young Cathy had a lithe frame which you could imagine manoeuvring itself into all sorts of gymnastic contortions. The song itself has left no impression though.

There's No Other Way by Blur - this was their debut proper hit, a fairly mediocre slice of Madchester style indie-pop. Their real breakthrough came in 1994 with the Parklife album which I thought was groundbreaking at the time.

Just for the hell of it, a few standout tracks from the rest of 1991 which I won't otherwise get the chance to waffle on about:

June: (Everything I Do) I Do It For You by Bryan Adams - here it is, number 1 for a record-breaking 16 weeks and easily the biggest selling single of the year. In reality a pretty uninspiring ballad from a mediocre film. This month also saw Rod Stewart briefly hit the top ten again with 'The Motown Song', see my earlier comments on this thread about the fact that he'd given up trying in any way to be relevant by this point, it was an abomination.

July: Always There by Incognito - a nightclub staple at the time and as such it brings back happy memories for me. Also an honourable mention this month for You Could Be Mine by Guns 'n' Roses, one of the all time top rock intros and tied in the the summer box-office smash movie Terminator 2.

August: I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred - massive novelty hit, harmless fun at the time, shame they have now turned out to be alt-right weirdos. This month also saw Summertime by DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, which I stand firmly behind today as one of the great and criminally overlooked summer tracks. Plus The Prodigy with their first hit Charly, a children's safety film converted into a rave anthem.

September: Not a lot going on this month so a quick mention for Love...Thy Will Be Done by Martika because I used to fancy her.

October: What a dreadful month. We had The Scorpions with their cliched 'fall of the iron curtain' power ballad Wind of Change, Julian Lennon's horrible dirge Saltwater on which he sounded exactly like his dad at his most maudlin, earworm (not in a good way) Get Ready For This by 2 Unlimited to name but a few duds.

November - The KLF AKA The Justified Ancients Of Mu-Mu returned with the bizarre It's Grim Up North, kiddie fiddler Michael Jackson scored a huge hit with the unimpressive Black Or White, Seal cashed in with a rehash of Killer and a band called Nirvana arrived on the scene with Smells Like Teen Spirit, riff from More Than A Feeling and all.

December - The KLF were back again, this time with Tammy Wynette for Justified and Ancient which was as bonkers as it was brilliant. The woeful Simply Red returned with Stars, a song so middle of the road it should have had dotted white lines running around the grooves, and Queen hit the Christmas number one thanks to the death of Freddie Mercury with the re-released Bohemian Rhapsody which I have always just found annoying.

Fair comments in the main here. Cathy Dennis was so hot it was untrue:love: Enjoyed the song....although mainly when watching the video on MTV rather than radio!

KLF - such a crazy mix of songs in that period. Always original and it's a shame they get largely forgotten. Never realised Grim Up North was a single - I only knew of that song as my brother had their album. Somewhere on the BBS from the early 00s, I did a thread based on that song to try and see if we had a supporter/BBS member from every town mentioned in it. :supergrin: Don't think we got them all but we had a good go. :p

There's No Other Way - absolutely mad for it at the time. Proper loved that song although on reflection it wasn't as good as what was to come from them later in the decade.

Great round up, as ever, Bipe :p

art malice 12-05-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15783513)
Am I right that he was up against a young Gareth Southgate playing out of position at right back?

If so, it may have scarred him as much as his Euro 96 penalty miss

EnglandEagle 14-05-2021 06:50 AM

Thank you to all those who shared memories of the greatest of all seasons, which have stayed with me. In my mind neither I or the players have put on 30 years. I'd started going regularly from the liverpool game, even venturing as far as plough lane, and although it never felt that there was a realistic chance of winning the title the continued rise over the last few years meant that you expected we could beat anyone (apart from arsenal) and made winning the cup a real possibility. I think not having instant access 24/7 meant you had to put in the effort to see the greatest Palace team. Saturday afternoons in front of teletext with radio 5 on trying to get news from a game up north or calling clubcall to find out who was fit (painfully slowly)

Also thanks for the chart memories, which have added to the nostalgia. I didn't have the money back then so tough decisions were needed to finance trips to Selhurst. Recording mates music tape to tape, going halves on a video rental from the corner shop and forget those naf naf jeans.

JJ 14-05-2021 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15783565)
Cathy Dennis was so hot it was untrue

Arguably her biggest (worldwide) success was a song she wrote for someone else: Can't Get You Out Of My Head.

Mr Mojo Risin 14-05-2021 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15781761)
I remember at the time thinking that maybe the tide was starting to turn, in terms of the bigger teams making themselves stronger. It seemed to me that we may as well enjoy it while it lasted because we may struggle to keep pace. We were seeing the first real wave of overseas players coming in, generally there was a definite upgrade in quality and it was the big sides who were leading the way. Kanchelskis shortly followed by Schmichael at United was a good example, of course the following season Leeds unearthed Eric Cantona and the rest is history. Within a few years Chelsea were spending big under the patronage of Matthew Harding, tempting the likes of Gullitt and Vialli their dump of a ground, and United were faced with the dilemma of which of their array of foreign stars to leave out of their champions league ties with the restriction still at 3 overseas players per team. With hindsight we never really stood a chance once the money men started pouring in, Uncle Ron was not in the same league as the sugar daddies and hard nosed corporate men.

In many ways typical Palace that we ended up getting relegated in the first premier league season although it probably wouldn't have made all that much difference had we stayed up for a couple more years. The likes of Oldham and Coventry would stick around for a bit but once they were gone, they were gone. We have done well to get back up there and stay put for as long as we have.

We were one of the last of the smaller clubs to break into the top three. Norwich managed it in 1993 and then Blackburn won it in 1995 with a fair amount of money behind them (who knows what we could have achieved if we had signed Shearer). But after that nothing until Leicesterís triumph in 2016. I do think football has lost something when even for a smaller Premier League club like ourselves the top three is something we can only dream about now.

Mark Gardiner 14-05-2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin (Post 15785636)
We were one of the last of the smaller clubs to break into the top three. Norwich managed it in 1993 and then Blackburn won it in 1995 with a fair amount of money behind them (who knows what we could have achieved if we had signed Shearer). But after that nothing until Leicesterís triumph in 2016. I do think football has lost something when even for a smaller Premier League club like ourselves the top three is something we can only dream about now.

Agree - if you look at the Football League Championship, a successful defence of the title itself didn't occur from the late 1950s to Liverpool in the mid-1970s.

IIRC one season early 70s the top 7 was completely (or 6 out of 7) different to the previous season.

Change started when the 25% gate money to the away team was stopped. TV money then made the gap far wider.

November85 14-05-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15783513)
Am I right that he was up against a young Gareth Southgate playing out of position at right back?

Wasn't right back originally his position? I know that's where he played when he first broke into the team, and I seem to remember something in his autobiography about how he felt a rivalry with John Pemberton.

E.X Moontoad 14-05-2021 10:26 AM

Yep, pretty sure Gareth was almost always at right back whenever I watched him playing for the Youth and reserve teams around that time.

bubbs11 16-05-2021 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by November85 (Post 15785798)
Wasn't right back originally his position? I know that's where he played when he first broke into the team, and I seem to remember something in his autobiography about how he felt a rivalry with John Pemberton.

Gareth made his first start against Liverpool at Anfield in this 90/91 season as a centre back. His next start was the following season in that fateful Leeds match where Salako got his horrific injury, and he played centre back again.

But then for the rest of that first half of the 91/92 season, Southgate regularly started as right back (with Lee Sinnott left back). After the new year he then played a few months in midfield, but ended the season at right back again.

Think the following season he played in the midfield.

Even though I mustíve seen him a few times at reserve and youth level, I canít recall where he played.

stevek 16-05-2021 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15783676)
If so, it may have scarred him as much as his Euro 96 penalty miss

My memory is thinking that, although Giggs took him apart, he did better against him than many more experienced full backs at the time.

Bipe 16-05-2021 10:02 AM

An attempt then to round off this interesting and rambling thread in some way, with a 'what happened next?' review.

First of all the fortunes of the club itself...as mentioned previously, people tend to forget that the 1991/92 season started almost as well as the prior campaign. We took 27 points from our first 15 games and were again riding high in the league, before a dire run of just 2 wins in 18 games saw us crash back down to earth. We rallied with 15 points from our last 9 games including another win against Liverpool to do the league double over them, finishing 10th in the table with 57 points. We were only 7 points behind Liverpool in 6th place, so on the face of it another decent campaign all told but the warning signs were there with 61 goals conceded. The departures of Wright and later Gray saw the loss of two key men and the squad was in transition with younger players starting to break through but perhaps not quite as ready as they needed to be to keep carrying the club forward. Transfer dealings during the season saw a net profit of c.£2m, thanks in the main to Wright's £2.5m move to Arsenal and Gray's £700k departure to Spurs. We took a £800k hit on Gabbiadini and moved him on quickly, leaving poor old Bright as the only experienced striker in the squad. Of course this was the beginning of the end and the following season we were relegated to enter our period as a yo-yo club.

As for the players who got us to 3rd place in 1990/91:

Nigel Martyn - stayed loyal to Palace when we were relegated in 1993 but quite rightly moved on when the same thing happened in 1995, playing nearly 300 games for Leeds and a further 100 for Everton before finally retiring with 846 career appearances under his belt. Played 23 games for England but never established himself as number 1. Deservedly recognised as one of our greatest ever keepers and the benchmark against which all successors have been measured.

John Humphrey - Stayed at Palace until 1995 and remained a dependable and consistent presence during a period of turmoil. The poor sod ended his career at Brighton but we can forgive him that, he did well for Palace.

Richard Shaw - his versatility continued to be an asset until the 1995/96 season, when he accepted the chance to return to the premier league with Coventry. He became something of a legend there with nearly 400 appearances before seeing out his career at lowly Millwall (there is something of a trend developing here by the way). In the wider public consciousness he will forever be associated with the Cantona incident, having been unfairly characterised in the press as a hatchet man who was fouling the preening ninny all night until he finally snapped.

Gareth Southgate - bit part player in this season but rapidly progress to become club captain, leading the team to promotion in 1993/94 with some driving performances from midfield. We all know what he's up to now.

Andy Thorn - he had been a key Coppell signing the previous year, bringing knowhow and solidity to a shaky defence. Formed a formidable partnership with his old Wimbledon mate Eric Young, those two took no prisoners. He had always been 'big boned' and as he got older this translated into weight issues, his career petering out in his early 30s at Tranmere. Popped up as Coventry manager around a decade ago when he had completed the transition to obesity. I always liked him though, he seldom made big mistakes and was a rock at the back.

Paul Bodin - a signing we had high hopes for but which never worked out, he seemed to struggle to settle and maybe like Collymore it was a case of someone from the sticks being a little daunted by the aggressive south London vibe in the dressing room. Soon scuttled off back to his beloved Swindon and gained notoriety as the player who missed a crucial penalty for Wales in their shit or bust 1994 WC qualifier against Romania.

Eric Young - See the comments on Thorn above, Young was always the slightly more cultured of the two and was an imposing presence at set pieces too. Although he was already 30 when he joined us his natural fitness (unlike Thorn) stood him in good stead and he played nearly 200 games across 5 seasons.

Phil Barber - I believe he was an Alan Mullery signing? Anyway one of the players who helped us transition from those dark times to a brighter future under Coppell, to start with he was one of the better players but as the quality grew around him he became more of a reliable tryer who gave everything for the team. 1990/91 was his last hurrah for Palace, he moved on the Millwall in the summer where he made over 100 appearances. Another one who's career faded away relatively young, by his early 30s he was back in non-league football.

Andy Gray - as mentioned right back towards the start of this thread I loved Gray and I still do, for me possibly one of the most 'Palace' players we've ever had in attitude and approach. As is well documented, midway through the 91/92 season he picked up an England cap and soon after made a big money move to Spurs. His time there was a bit of a disaster if truth be told so he blew what should have been the best years of his career. However, there followed short spells at Marbella, Falkirk and Bury where he is fondly remembered before he saw out his time with a few appearances at Millwall (I'm starting to think that 'you must end your career at Millwall' might have been a standard contract clause inserted by Ron Noades around this time). Since then Gray has become something of a forgotten man but it's been nice to see him interacting with Palace fans on Twitter in recent years, and tuning up for charity matches at Selhurst.

Alan Pardew - like Barber, Pardew started to find himself moving down the pecking order during 1990/91 although he still made a good few appearances and played a starring role in our ZDS games. Always something of a Coppell favourite due to his workrate. He moved to Charlton midway through 1991/92 where he remodelled himself as a goalscoring midfielder, notching 26 goals in 124 appearances. Briefly turned up at Spurs for a few Intertoto Cup games before ending his playing career at Barnet where he reverted to type with 0 goals in 79 appearances. His managerial exploits have of course been well documented and along with Wright and Southgate he's built the highest profile in the modern game of any of our 1990/91 squad, something of a surprise to those of us who used to watch him plod around the midfield.

John Salako - this was his breakthrough season, topped off by a successful summer tour of the Antipodes with England. Everything looked set up for him to reach the highest level before that fateful game against Leeds early in the 91/92 season when he suffered his awful injury. He was never quite the same player but he worked hard to get back and help Palace to promotion in 1994. Middling spells at Coventry and Charlton followed, then in his 30s he enjoyed an Indian summer at Reading. Has done bits and pieces of media work ever since and of course joined the Pardew old boys' revolution at Palace.

Geoff Thomas - another one whose career peaked in this season when his driving performances rightly gained international recognition. Seemed badly affected by transfer speculation early in the 92/93 season and his form went right off the boil as we slid towards relegation. Joined Wolves where his career was pretty much prematurely ended by a horrific injury, although he went on to play a few games at Forest, Barnsley and Crewe. Ended up with 9 England caps, never on the losing side. His footballing career has since been overshadowed by his battle against leukaemia and subsequently, the millions of pounds he has raised for related charities. Someone we can be proud to have represented our club.

Glyn Hodges - A disastrous signing, made only a handful of appearances before Coppell cut his losses and flogged him to Sheffield United where he immediately became a key man. Ended his career with well over 500 appearances and nearly 100 goals so he clearly wasn't a dud, just the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time as far as we were concerned.

Eddie McGoldrick - Palace certainly enjoyed his best years and he remained an important player through to our relegation in 1993. Earned himself a big move to Arsenal but it didn't work out for him there, similarly his appearances were limited at Manchester City. Gained 15 caps for the Republic of Ireland. Lack of goalscoring threat was an achilles heel for him, ending his career with a feeble 22 goals from nearly 400 appearances.

Mark Bright - pound for pound one of our best ever signings, his career was going nowhere until Coppell teamed him up with Wright. Carried the attack manfully in 1991/92 after Wright left, then got a move to Sheffield Wednesday early the following season where he continued to both score and provide goals. He remains Wednesday's top premier league scorer. Saw out his career at Millwall and Charlton, where he played in that mad 4-4 play-off final against Sunderland. Well known these days as Steve Parish's right hand man, he has been a loyal servant to Palace on and off for nearly 40 years now and deserves nothing less than complete respect for his contribution to the club.

Stan Collymore - Looked a bit out of his depth in the Palace environment so Coppell sold him to Southend where he immediately started banging in spectacular goals from all angles, earning a move to Forest and then Liverpool where he wasted his talent through immersion in their somewhat toxic 'spice boys' culture of the time. Moved around the clubs after than but failed to make the most of his ability, only totting up around 300 career appearances. Now operates as a sporting shock-jock and media columnist.

Garry Thompson - only played a handful of times for Palace as the stand-in for Wright or Bright, but had a fantastic attitude and always gave everything when called on. Kept on going until his late 30s, ending with over 500 appearances and nearly 150 goals from a good honest career. Low profile these days but seems to be friendly with Andy Gray, who also played with him at Villa.

Ian Wright - seems appropriate to end with him, the one player above all others who was the catalyst for our transition from second division also-rans to the third best team in the country. Moved on to Arsenal early the following season where he enjoyed a phenomenal goalscoring record, becoming their all-time top scorer despite being nearly 28 already when he signed. Scored 9 goals in 33 games for England, again like Martyn he never established himself but still a fantastic career for someone whose life prospects seemed limited in his early 20s.

As for me - 1990/91 was the final season in which i would follow Palace with anything like regularity. I made the decision late on that season to focus on playing rather than watching so that was my Saturdays largely booked for the next 20 years. In 2000 we moved to Lincolnshire, further limiting options to attend Selhurst Park once my playing days had come to an end although we are members and get to a handful of home and away games every year. There were a couple of last hurrahs for me in 1991/92, the first being the early season midweek win up at Villa Park which as one of Wright's final games for us and a typical strong Palace performance of the time, the second the win at Liverpool which I combined with a weekend visit to a friend at Uni up there. Great fun day out with the 'Royal Ascot' themed hats and Marco Gabbiadini's finest hour for Palace.

All in all then, I ended on something of a high given that we have never come close to emulating the feats of that 1990/91 team. Some fantastic memories which I have enjoyed sharing on this thread as the season progressed. Thanks to all contributors and particularly to Bubbs whose scrapbook entries have added superb colour to my random musings.

JJ 16-05-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15790006)
Nigel Martyn - stayed loyal to Palace when we were relegated in 1993 but quite rightly moved on when the same thing happened in 1995

Not quite. He stayed with us again after the 95 relegation. His last game for us was in the play off final defeat to Leicester in 96.

Bipe 16-05-2021 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15790073)
Not quite. He stayed with us again after the 95 relegation. His last game for us was in the play off final defeat to Leicester in 96.

My apologies, you are quite right.

Mark Gardiner 16-05-2021 11:12 AM

An excellent summary of the team that finished 3rd - thanks!

RUSSELL 16-05-2021 02:15 PM

Eddie McGoldrick still has links with Palace youth teams. There is also a Facebook video of him starting a Palace song in a pub. The bloke is a Palace legend!

Dixie Eagle 17-05-2021 11:05 AM

Excellent thread. It brought back so many memories of matches I attended at the time as a 22 year old. Great times!

bubbs11 18-05-2021 05:33 AM

1990/91. League scorers

Wright 15
Bright 9
Thomas 6
Salako. 6
Gray. 4
Young. 3
Thompson. 1
Thorn. 1
Humphrey. 1
Shaw. 1
Pardew. 1
Barber. 1




As someone pointed out earlier in the thread that these figures bare out, is that there really wasnít enough goals in this team outside of Wright and Bright to realistically win the title that season. One of our main wingers, McGoldrick, didnít even register a goal all season.

Bright also had one of his usual long stints without a goal, not scoring after January. This was a constant throughout his Palace career where heíd go on a great streaky run of scoring then could go ages without.

Another strange anomaly was that Wright, after his superb lobbed goal in our fist home game of the season against Chelsea, never scored another home goal until Derby in mid-March.

Over the years when you look back at this side and wonder what it wouldíve needed to have actually stood a strong chance of winning the title, you would think 2 or 3 players with more goals in them. A Platt in midfield, Limpar out wide and a set piece expert like Dorigo at full back always spring to my mind.

Platt by that stage was out of our league, but was one of Noadesís big regrets, as when we bought Thomas from Crewe, Dario Gradi told Noades that Platt was the next to be picked up, but we didnít go back for him.


As a contrast, here are the title winners Arsenalís goal scorers that season:

Smith. 22
Merson 13
Limpar 11
Campbell 9
Dixon 5
Davis 3
Groves 3
Thomas 2
Rocastle 2
OíLeary 1
Adams 1

Kevin Campbell only started 15 that season with 7 off the bench and managed to score as many as Bright. I suppose that was another component our side lacked, was a striker to come off the bench and contribute to the goals when it wasnít happening for Bright and Wright. Collymore wouldíve been the ideal man, but slightly too early for him.


Liverpoolís goal scoring stats

Barnes 16
Rush. 16
Beardsley 11
Molby 9
Houghton 7
Speedie 6
Rosenthal 5
Nicol 3
Whelan 1
Gillespie 1


Interesting also to look at Leeds goal scoring stats for the following season when they won the league. It has often been said by fans and players alike, that if we added 2 or 3 decent players to our 90/91 squad, we couldíve been the ones taking the title that following season. These stats kind of concur with that thought. We were really not far away from doing the unbelievable.


Leeds 91/92

Lee Chapman 16
Rod Wallace 11
Steve Hodge 7
Gary Speed 6
Mel Sterland 6
Gary McAllister 5
Gordon Strachan 4
Tony Dorigo 3
Eric Cantona 3
David Batty 2
Carl Shutt 2
Chris Fairclough 2
Jon Newsome 2
Chris Whyte 1
Mike Whitlow 1

Maiden Eagle 18-05-2021 08:20 AM

I didn't realise Brighty scored that few in the League ! He must have scored quite
a few in the League and ZDS Cups,then ? He got a hat trick
against Southend in the League Cup, right ?

stevek 18-05-2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15794722)
1990/91. League scorers

Wright 15
Bright 9
Thomas 6
Salako. 6
Gray. 4
Young. 3
Thompson. 1
Thorn. 1
Humphrey. 1
Shaw. 1
Pardew. 1
Barber. 1




As someone pointed out earlier in the thread that these figures bare out, is that there really wasnít enough goals in this team outside of Wright and Bright to realistically win the title that season. One of our main wingers, McGoldrick, didnít even register a goal all season.

Bright also had one of his usual long stints without a goal, not scoring after January. This was a constant throughout his Palace career where heíd go on a great streaky run of scoring then could go ages without.

Another strange anomaly was that Wright, after his superb lobbed goal in our fist home game of the season against Chelsea, never scored another home goal until Derby in mid-March.

Over the years when you look back at this side and wonder what it wouldíve needed to have actually stood a strong chance of winning the title, you would think 2 or 3 players with more goals in them. A Platt in midfield, Limpar out wide and a set piece expert like Dorigo at full back always spring to my mind.

Platt by that stage was out of our league, but was one of Noadesís big regrets, as when we bought Thomas from Crewe, Dario Gradi told Noades that Platt was the next to be picked up, but we didnít go back for him.


As a contrast, here are the title winners Arsenalís goal scorers that season:

Smith. 22
Merson 13
Limpar 11
Campbell 9
Dixon 5
Davis 3
Groves 3
Thomas 2
Rocastle 2
OíLeary 1
Adams 1

Kevin Campbell only started 15 that season with 7 off the bench and managed to score as many as Bright. I suppose that was another component our side lacked, was a striker to come off the bench and contribute to the goals when it wasnít happening for Bright and Wright. Collymore wouldíve been the ideal man, but slightly too early for him.


Liverpoolís goal scoring stats

Barnes 16
Rush. 16
Beardsley 11
Molby 9
Houghton 7
Speedie 6
Rosenthal 5
Nicol 3
Whelan 1
Gillespie 1


Interesting also to look at Leeds goal scoring stats for the following season when they won the league. It has often been said by fans and players alike, that if we added 2 or 3 decent players to our 90/91 squad, we couldíve been the ones taking the title that following season. These stats kind of concur with that thought. We were really not far away from doing the unbelievable.


Leeds 91/92

Lee Chapman 16
Rod Wallace 11
Steve Hodge 7
Gary Speed 6
Mel Sterland 6
Gary McAllister 5
Gordon Strachan 4
Tony Dorigo 3
Eric Cantona 3
David Batty 2
Carl Shutt 2
Chris Fairclough 2
Jon Newsome 2
Chris Whyte 1
Mike Whitlow 1

Those Arsenal figures show why I was surprised (and well as devastated) that they went for Wright the following season - I thought he might struggle to get into their team. What actually happened, though, was Arsenal turned themselves into a rich man's version of 1990-91 Palace, and - whilst Wright himself may have been a success for them - they were actually a poorer team all round with him than they had been before.

stevek 18-05-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 15795165)
I didn't realise Brighty scored that few in the League ! He must have scored quite
a few in the League and ZDS Cups,then ? He got a hat trick
against Southend in the League Cup, right ?

They both did.

bubbs11 18-05-2021 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maiden Eagle (Post 15795165)
I didn't realise Brighty scored that few in the League ! He must have scored quite
a few in the League and ZDS Cups,then ? He got a hat trick
against Southend in the League Cup, right ?

Yes.


Cup goal scorers 90/91

Wright 10
Bright 6
Salako 4
Thomas 2
Thompson 1
Hodges 1
Young 1
Gray 1
McGoldrick 1

Grim Reaper 20-05-2021 08:51 AM

Glyn Hodges scored more Cup goals in two months at Selhurst, than Palace have managed since March 2019!

Let that sink in

Grim Reaper 20-05-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15794722)

Over the years when you look back at this side and wonder what it wouldíve needed to have actually stood a strong chance of winning the title, you would think 2 or 3 players with more goals in them. A Platt in midfield, Limpar out wide and a set piece expert like Dorigo at full back always spring to my mind.

All good names but there were ones we were genuinely linked with that could have made that difference.

Defender Gary Charles - part of the England set up at that point

Mark Walters, would have been great on the opposite flank from Salako

Rod Wallace. Another we were linked with, although, I admit he wouldn't necessarily have got in that starting XI as things were set up in 1991

For me, it'll always be the UEFUA U-turn that killed us. Had Palace been in Europe in 1991-92, Wright would have had no reason to leave, or at least not at the time he left in September. Palace would have made to at least the UEFA Cup QF as Liverpool did and that would have taken us into spring. Andy Gray's own personal tailspin after his disastrous England outing would probably never have happened had his trusted core been around him.

We can speculate of course, but that was the killer for me

Grim Reaper 06-08-2021 06:03 PM

So, are we doing one of these for 1991-92???

ElwissAtMemphis 06-08-2021 06:42 PM

How about 1981/82? That was interesting. A cup run ... a change of manager ... and that's about it. It would reinforce how bloody lucky we've been recently and would put some of the whinging that we get around here into perspective.

In fact we could start with a home pre-season friendly against Brighton tomorrow after the traditional European tour (of Germany rather than Scandanavia for some reason).

ElwissAtMemphis 06-08-2021 06:50 PM

What am I talking about? 1980/81 ... now that WOULD be interesting. A change of ownership. Four different managers. The ground massively changed (for the worse) on 3 sides. Players, staff and fans seemingly in open revolt at various stages. Some extremely unethical paractices alleged and relegation confirmed at an almost record early date. I remember it being unutterably depressing. I hated nearly every minute of it although there was the odd uplifting win.

Grim. On second thoughts; best not.

bubbs11 06-08-2021 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15934445)
So, are we doing one of these for 1991-92???

I was going to ask :)

I actually have game by game reports and pictures for that season too, but wasn’t sure if anyone would be interested.

Despite it being a thoroughly depressing season, it was very eventful; Wright leaving to Arsenal and Gabbiadini’s less than welcome arrival; the Noades race storm; Salako’s horrific injury; media and other clubs criticising our over physical tactics; Andy Gray falling out with Coppell and leaving…

Happy to go again with this season game by game if others are interested or could do another season if people wish. I kept game by game accounts of each season from 87/88 - 91/92.

But also intrigued by Elwiss’ suggestion of 80/81, despite it being probably the worst season supporting Palace in my 40+ years.

Let’s have a straw poll.

Bipe 06-08-2021 11:24 PM

Per my sign off on 1990/91, I didn't go to many games in 1991/92 as playing football took over from watching it on Saturdays. So I'm not the man to lead this time, although I will read with interest and very happily chip in if someone else with stronger recollections of the season wants to guide us through.

art malice 07-08-2021 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15934494)
I was going to ask :)

I actually have game by game reports and pictures for that season too, but wasn’t sure if anyone would be interested.

Despite it being a thoroughly depressing season, it was very eventful; Wright leaving to Arsenal and Gabbiadini’s less than welcome arrival; the Noades race storm; Salako’s horrific injury; media and other clubs criticising our over physical tactics; Andy Gray falling out with Coppell and leaving…

Happy to go again with this season game by game if others are interested or could do another season if people wish. I kept game by game accounts of each season from 87/88 - 91/92.

But also intrigued by Elwiss’ suggestion of 80/81, despite it being probably the worst season supporting Palace in my 40+ years.

Let’s have a straw poll.

Oh yes for 91/92. Do it!

Mad Max 07-08-2021 12:19 PM

80/81 was very close to me giving up.Travelling from Essex every home game became a chore the anticipation had gone.Venables actually had part ownership of a pub in Leytonstone called Laurel and Hardy`s.I met him in there one night and asked him if the truth of how it all went so wrong would ever come out to which he replied "those things never come out,only those who were there know" as I turned to leave he said "you can always come support Rangers" to which I glared at him and replied "I`d rather drink acid" his bouncers moved in and it was time to leave lol.

SA Eagle 07-08-2021 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 15934991)
80/81 was very close to me giving up.Travelling from Essex every home game became a chore the anticipation had gone.Venables actually had part ownership of a pub in Leytonstone called Laurel and Hardy`s.I met him in there one night and asked him if the truth of how it all went so wrong would ever come out to which he replied "those things never come out,only those who were there know" as I turned to leave he said "you can always come support Rangers" to which I glared at him and replied "I`d rather drink acid" his bouncers moved in and it was time to leave lol.

The thieving **** even tried to take fans with him to QPR :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

wrightchipvcfc 07-08-2021 02:28 PM

91/92 not a season I realy enjoyed won 3 of our opening 4 games then by sept after wright had scored helping us beat Oldham was sold out of the blue to arsenal.gabbiadini coming in as his replacement didn't realy work out he did score in our win at Liverpool we had a few good results winning at spurs and at home to Liverpool .when I look back home crowds could be low in them days a lot of 12 000 14000 home crowds seems mad now but we played Notts county in top tier that year .also the emergence of a young David Whyte rip that season I've got cuttings from that year somewhere might be at my dads house .

David Giles 07-08-2021 02:47 PM

Bubbs is right: a lot did go on off the pitch but on the pitch, especially in the second half of that season, the football was so dull. Can remember going home and away when Coleman was up front and wanting to stick pins in my eyes. Up until the last two years, I’d have argued that 91/92 was the most boring season in the top flight.

wrightchipvcfc 07-08-2021 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15934494)
I was going to ask :)

I actually have game by game reports and pictures for that season too, but wasnít sure if anyone would be interested.

Despite it being a thoroughly depressing season, it was very eventful; Wright leaving to Arsenal and Gabbiadiniís less than welcome arrival; the Noades race storm; Salakoís horrific injury; media and other clubs criticising our over physical tactics; Andy Gray falling out with Coppell and leavingÖ

Happy to go again with this season game by game if others are interested or could do another season if people wish. I kept game by game accounts of each season from 87/88 - 91/92.

But also intrigued by Elwissí suggestion of 80/81, despite it being probably the
worst season supporting Palace in my 40+ years.

Letís have a straw poll.

I enjoyed team of the 80s first season up
The championship winning season with Southgate as captain
Season went up via play off w ham game
First prem season back this time

Grim Reaper 08-08-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by David Giles (Post 15935130)
Iíd have argued that 91/92 was the most boring season in the top flight.


It's weird how we as a fanbase look down on 1991-92

In 116 years of CPFC it's literally our joint-2nd highest ever finish.

Fascinated me right from the Eagle Eye days as to which other fanbase would look down on their second best season

Bipe 08-08-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15936228)
It's weird how we as a fanbase look down on 1991-92

In 116 years of CPFC it's literally our joint-2nd highest ever finish.

Fascinated me right from the Eagle Eye days as to which other fanbase would look down on their second best season

Results wise it was far from boring, a real roller-coaster. We started like a train again and looked well placed to threaten the top few places, per the previous season. The middle of our season fell off a cliff with a dismal run of form. But we rallied well at the end with a good haul of points.

Breaking the season down into phases:

27 points from our first 15 games
15 points from the next 18 (and only 2 wins!)
15 points from the final 9

As you mention a total points haul of 57 points was highly impressive

However, the football was generally considered beyond turgid at times. I'm not really in a position to comment as from memory I only went to six games and most of them weren't actually that bad:

Sheffield United home - a win but got away with it, Glyn Hodges ran the show for the Blades
Villa away early in the season - great win, played well
Leeds home - a win but best remembered for Salako's awful injury
Liverpool away - great win, smash and grab but fantastic day out (well weekend in my case)
West Ham home - defeat, a rare Perry Suckling appearance, but an entertaining game
QPR away in the ZDS Cup - win and an entertaining game.

Grim Reaper 10-08-2021 02:57 PM

To have that set of 6 from that season is a frigging top effort!!!!

WHL2R90 17-08-2021 01:50 PM

Nice.

Bipe 17-08-2021 06:09 PM

Who are you WHL2R90 and do you need help???

Wondering if your one word replies to various long forgotten memory lane threads is some sort of code?

JJ 18-08-2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15936228)
It's weird how we as a fanbase look down on 1991-92

In 116 years of CPFC it's literally our joint-2nd highest ever finish.

Fascinated me right from the Eagle Eye days as to which other fanbase would look down on their second best season

Was a bit weird, wasn't it? I went to every home game that season, and a few of the aways too, and don't really remember much about most of them if I'm honest. I think it was a bit of an "after the Lord Mayor's Show" type thing, having finished an unbelievable 3rd, winning at Wembley, and then having the European dream crushed.

And to lose our best ever player early in the season just added to that - IW leaving was one of those "I remember where I was" moments. I worked in the City, and would walk down Cornhill to Bank Station. Just as I turned left to go down Pope's Head Alley there was always a bloke selling the (not quite as bad at that time) Evening Standard. The back page showed "Graham Swoops" as the headline. I was absolutely gutted.

I've just looked up our results for that season. We all know how in 90-91 it wasn't until we beat the Wankers 3-0 in the last game of the season that we won a home Div.1 game by more than 1 goal. Well in 91-92 we didn't win ANY Div.1 game by more than 1 goal until we beat Everton 2-0 in April '92.

stevek 18-08-2021 08:11 AM

My mate and I always refer to 1991/92 as the 'boring season'.

Grim Reaper 18-08-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15951024)
I've just looked up our results for that season. We all know how in 90-91 it wasn't until we beat the Wankers 3-0 in the last game of the season that we won a home Div.1 game by more than 1 goal. Well in 91-92 we didn't win ANY Div.1 game by more than 1 goal until we beat Everton 2-0 in April '92.

And yet in spite of that, it's still one of only two seasons in the top flight where we've won more than we lost.

I remember being quite chipper at the end of that season and thinking we'd be good once more in 1992-93. Hmmmm :sob:

From what I'm reading here, I suspect if we did a 1991-92 season thread, it wouldn't get much love or attention. Might be best to park that idea!

See you in two years for the 93-94 one! :p

N Herts Eagle 18-08-2021 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15951768)
And yet in spite of that, it's still one of only two seasons in the top flight where we've won more than we lost.

I remember being quite chipper at the end of that season and thinking we'd be good once more in 1992-93. Hmmmm :sob:

From what I'm reading here, I suspect if we did a 1991-92 season thread, it wouldn't get much love or attention. Might be best to park that idea!

See you in two years for the 93-94 one! :p

Strange by the end of the season i was concerned. We needed a forward to replace Wright failed with Marco and tried David Whyte and Chris Coleman and it too had failed.
Looking back and now knowing the options which include Andy Cole Dion Dublin for instance. Coppell wanted to sign a player with top flight experience it had served us well to a point but now it was a mistake.
The rebuild was going to have to be brought forward the fall out from the race row and the loss of Ian was forcing it on us, yet we seemed to fiddle about whilst the flames burned away the heart of the side.
The season had its highs and lows but is not fondly remembered despite our position. Without realising it we were watching an end of the greatest era in our history to that point. The team of the 80s season we had hope of going higher ok it fell away as we know but the hope was there. As i said by the end of the season it was time for a rebuild. The Premier League was about to dawn football about to change. We fiddled refused the money for Geoff Thomas and did not buy the forward despite the Marco money until latter the next season. Where we signed the untested Chris Armstrong.
To sum up the wasted season that sealed the demise of the next. Despite fond memories Liverpool away as one example.
What might of been. Steve Coppell always a hero but this period is one where he made too many costly errors.


There is a palleral to this one era ending a new one being built. A young team coming together have we called it right this time unlike then.

Edit. I forgot at the start of the season i was head hunted by a guy who had gone to uni with Steve Coppell. I turned him down. Towards the end of the season he came back again and i decided the offer was to good. A gamble as it was i was safe secure where i was but not yet 40. I took it. It changed my life gave me the greatest experiences and countless issues. Would i make the same choice now knowing what i do. Certainly thougjh a few things i would do differently. Like Palace should of done there are times that are forced on you when you have to decide to stick or twist. We stuck it was sensible to a point but we lost what could have been.

bubbs11 18-08-2021 09:11 AM

I will be starting a new game by game thread for the 91/92 season. Will be up in the next few days to coincide with the first game of the season away to Man City on August 24th.

Looking back through my match by match scrapbook, for some reason I never added reports for the last four games of the season. I must’ve lost the will by that point.

art malice 18-08-2021 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15951808)
I will be starting a new game by game thread for the 91/92 season. Will be up in the next few days to coincide with the first game of the season away to Man City on August 24th.

Looking back through my match by match scrapbook, for some reason I never added reports for the last four games of the season. I mustíve lost the will by that point.

:lux:

Bipe 18-08-2021 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15951808)
I will be starting a new game by game thread for the 91/92 season. Will be up in the next few days to coincide with the first game of the season away to Man City on August 24th.

Looking back through my match by match scrapbook, for some reason I never added reports for the last four games of the season. I mustíve lost the will by that point.

I will read with interest and contribute where I can. Also happy to continue with the weekly top 10 movers and shakers, for my own amusement if probably no-one else's.

Vince Hilaire's Afro 18-08-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15936228)
It's weird how we as a fanbase look down on 1991-92

In 116 years of CPFC it's literally our joint-2nd highest ever finish.

Fascinated me right from the Eagle Eye days as to which other fanbase would look down on their second best season

It's about context. If we'd had that season immediately after promotion, we'd have been happy. But after finishing third, it was a massive disappointment, naturally. Coupled with SC's playing style, which was exposed badly following the departure of Wright. It was very dull.

Grim Reaper 19-08-2021 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15951808)
I will be starting a new game by game thread for the 91/92 season. Will be up in the next few days to coincide with the first game of the season away to Man City on August 24th.

Looking back through my match by match scrapbook, for some reason I never added reports for the last four games of the season. I mustíve lost the will by that point.

I remember the last three games of 91-92 very well so am already marking April and May on my calendar.

:p

(Just checked what the 4th last game was in 1992 - 0-0 v Oldham. My God, of course you lost the will to carry on at that point!)

Grim Reaper 19-08-2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15951880)
I will read with interest and contribute where I can. Also happy to continue with the weekly top 10 movers and shakers, for my own amusement if probably no-one else's.

You know I love those Top 10 updates :p

As I sit here now, I realise that 1991-92 was the time I stopped listening to the charts every week (I had a part time job on Sundays), so rather than anticipating the songs you'll be mentioning I'm pretty clueless and look forward to some long forgotten tunes being brought back to mind. :p

stevek 19-08-2021 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15951808)
I will be starting a new game by game thread for the 91/92 season. Will be up in the next few days to coincide with the first game of the season away to Man City on August 24th.

Looking back through my match by match scrapbook, for some reason I never added reports for the last four games of the season. I mustíve lost the will by that point.

Didn't the season start late in those days?

Bipe 19-08-2021 12:47 PM

IIRC OUR season started late due to overrunning improvement works at Selhurst over the summer, which caused our opening home game to be postponed?

Seems the thread is getting going already!

stevek 19-08-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15953944)
IIRC OUR season started late due to overrunning improvement works at Selhurst over the summer, which caused our opening home game to be postponed?

Seems the thread is getting going already!

Interesting - I have no memory of that! (I remember a few years later having to sit in the Whitehorse for the first game of the season because the new Holmesdale Stand wasn't open.)

JJ 19-08-2021 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15953973)
Interesting - I have no memory of that! (I remember a few years later having to sit in the Whitehorse for the first game of the season because the new Holmesdale Stand wasn't open.)

Yes I remember having to do that too. We played Barnsley I think (dif we win 4-2 or something like that?), David Hopkin made his debut.

stevek 19-08-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15953986)
Yes I remember having to do that too. We played Barnsley I think (dif we win 4-2 or something like that?), David Hopkin made his debut.

Something like that - a cracking game on a very sunny day.

N Herts Eagle 19-08-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15953944)
IIRC OUR season started late due to overrunning improvement works at Selhurst over the summer, which caused our opening home game to be postponed?

Seems the thread is getting going already!

Trying to work out what the work was. It was not the Whitehorse Lane Stand seating opening as that came latter.

MENTALLY TOUGH 19-08-2021 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15954003)
Trying to work out what the work was. It was not the Whitehorse Lane Stand seating opening as that came latter.

Wasn't the "Improvements" not the stadium itself but the Car Park being done? Probably the old bill didn't fancy Leeds coming to town, with rubble everywhere.


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