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old geezer 27-03-2023 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by big bad John (Post 16874910)
Bit of generalization here, but if you get a mob of Hasidics on a flight they are an absolute nightmare for the airplane staff. No matter how many times they are told not to stand up before the plane has parked up, they will. When they're told for the umpteenth time not to open the overhead luggage compartments, they will.
Got to admit, it's becomes more amusing than annoying, as you watch some rookie stewardess reprimanding one for taking his luggage down and right behind her a whole family take this as a signal to drag down their worldly belongings. Of course, once they see the rabbi ignoring the seat belt sign and getting up and removing his nine cases the plane turns into a total shit show.

Donít fly to Israel
Oh wait a minute you canít at the moment

CT_Palace 27-03-2023 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by big bad John (Post 16874910)
Bit of generalization here, but if you get a mob of Hasidics on a flight they are an absolute nightmare for the airplane staff. No matter how many times they are told not to stand up before the plane has parked up, they will. When they're told for the umpteenth time not to open the overhead luggage compartments, they will.
Got to admit, it's becomes more amusing than annoying, as you watch some rookie stewardess reprimanding one for taking his luggage down and right behind her a whole family take this as a signal to drag down their worldly belongings. Of course, once they see the rabbi ignoring the seat belt sign and getting up and removing his nine cases the plane turns into a total shit show.

I used to fly out of Antwerp airport frequently (large Hasidic community - diamond trade) and I can concur. Absolute nightmare, further complicated in the overhead locker space annoyance with numerous hat boxes.
I often watched them shuckling before and during the flight and mused that maybe they thought enough praying would preclude them of any danger and therefore all the standing up shenanigans was perfectly safe.

Hedgehog 28-03-2023 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by big bad John (Post 16874910)
Bit of generalization here, but if you get a mob of Hasidics on a flight they are an absolute nightmare for the airplane staff. No matter how many times they are told not to stand up before the plane has parked up, they will. When they're told for the umpteenth time not to open the overhead luggage compartments, they will.
Got to admit, it's becomes more amusing than annoying, as you watch some rookie stewardess reprimanding one for taking his luggage down and right behind her a whole family take this as a signal to drag down their worldly belongings. Of course, once they see the rabbi ignoring the seat belt sign and getting up and removing his nine cases the plane turns into a total shit show.

Flew on a red-eye from New York to London one time.

Plane was full of them. I believe they were English and had been to some sort of conference in NY.

And yes, their behavior was to me, who had never seen this sort of stuff before, very bizarre, and my wife is Jewish and I've been to a lot of Jewish religious ceremonies - but obviously very reformed ones judging by this experience.

As CT says the whole top hat in boxes in the bins was comical, and it was the first time I had seen the little leather box thing being put on their heads and leather straps wrapped around their arms.

What I found scary was they all seemed to jump up and do this at once... I believe it was to coincide with the sun-rise. As a novice at seeing this, it did cross my mind that they were some sort of terrorist cult who were working themselves up into a frenzy to take over the plane!

JJ 28-03-2023 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr Colonpharter (Post 16874643)
Wankers most definately but then airport staff shouldn't roll over and let them take the piss.

Completely agree.

That couple near me with 6 bags actually took up two whole luggage bins.

CK 28-03-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by old geezer (Post 16874921)
Wait until you are nearly seventy!!!
Takes forever
Thatís youngsters for you

Yep:frown:

Isle of Wight 28-03-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 16875079)
Completely agree.

That couple near me with 6 bags actually took up two whole luggage bins.

Which airline is this so I can avoid ?

JJ 28-03-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 16875158)
Which airline is this so I can avoid ?

United Airlines, and don't get me started on them...

Oh go on then. My booked trip was Sydney-San Francisco-Sacramento. Then I was getting the train from Sac to San Jose, and finally the flight back was San Fran to Sydney. All flights with United.

First off UA cancelled the SF to Sac flight; not that much of a biggie, so I just arranged to get the train to Sac instead.

Then, on the Sunday evening, the day before the Syd-SF flight for which I was already checked in, UA texted me to say that flight had now been cancelled too, so they'd rebooked me on a Syd to LA flight, with then a transfer flight from LA to SF (which was useless to me, as it was Sacramento I was going to).

In the same communication, UA also advised that the Syd-LA flight was already delayed by 4 hours due to the crew not having enough rest. So I couldn't have made the LA-SF connection they'd booked me on anyway, because at LA I'd have to go through Customs / Immigration, collect my luggage, go to a different terminal and check in again. That wouldn't work, so I just booked a separate flight with a different airline from LA to Sac which worked fine for me for timings, by if course was added expense.

This all happened on the Sunday evening, when I couldn't call the travel agent, nor UA, whose number was unavailable. Except when I checked my bag in for the LA flight, they told me that if I didn't get on the LA-SF flight, it might affect my flight home to Syd, as a no-show would make them cancel the whole booking. They couldn't take me off the LA-SF flight at the airport, instead I would have to find the UA people at LA and get them to do it, thus adding even more time. I explained that wouldn't work, so I then had to spend 50 minutes on the phone to UA, while still waiting at the departure gate, so they could effectively cancel the existing booking (the first flight of which I was about to board) and then re-book me for just SYD-LA and SF-Syd. She told me she thought she could do it, but that was a bloody stressful call! Luckily, she managed to do it.

The 50 minute delay for the flight home today was small beer by comparison.

So in a nutshell, UA cancelled 2 of the 3 flights I'd originally booked, delayed the 3rd a bit, delayed the rebooked flight to another destination by >4 hours, and booked me on a useless connection which I had no chance of making.

I will never fly with them again unless I really have no alternative. Should have known with a name like that they'd be wankers.

Glad you asked? :D

Isle of Wight 28-03-2023 11:14 AM

Yes love listening to others travel misery, makes me feel not alone :)

But then when you get the selfish behaviour ON TOP of this, that’s when I get my air rage hat on ( I don’t store it in the overhead bin before you ask)

Maidstoned Eagle 28-03-2023 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16874554)
They wonít try that on easyJet as they have staff with a card machine in hand to fine them

It is actually funny to watch

It is hilarious.

Isle of Wight 28-03-2023 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorsEdge (Post 16874554)
They wonít try that on easyJet as they have staff with a card machine in hand to fine them

It is actually funny to watch

Would love to see that :)

Maidstoned Eagle 28-03-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 16875348)
Would love to see that :)

Happened on my last trip back, loads of Spanish getting banged with it, ******* brilliant.

Isle of Wight 28-03-2023 01:51 PM

Could they just say they are not going to pay? Flights over, what are the crew going to do?

Would love if all the airlines did this. Also getting up before the belt sign goes off gets another fine.

Maidstoned Eagle 28-03-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 16875361)
Could they just say they are not going to pay? Flights over, what are the crew going to do?

Would love if all the airlines did this. Also getting up before the belt sign goes off gets another fine.

One guy did and got very arsey, police/security arrived and escorted him away.

stevek 28-03-2023 02:37 PM

Facebook adverts.

And, rather than the normal complaint, specifically Facebook ads for something you decide you actually want, but then when you click on it that product is not available.

Maidstoned Eagle 28-03-2023 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 16875393)
Facebook adverts.

And, rather than the normal complaint, specifically Facebook ads for something you decide you actually want, but then when you click on it that product is not available.

I have found that with trainers adverts. They advertise brands at great prices, then you find that they are childs sizes.

CT_Palace 28-03-2023 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 16875200)
United Airlines, and don't get me started on them...

Oh go on then. My booked trip was Sydney-San Francisco-Sacramento. Then I was getting the train from Sac to San Jose, and finally the flight back was San Fran to Sydney. All flights with United.

First off UA cancelled the SF to Sac flight; not that much of a biggie, so I just arranged to get the train to Sac instead.

Then, on the Sunday evening, the day before the Syd-SF flight for which I was already checked in, UA texted me to say that flight had now been cancelled too, so they'd rebooked me on a Syd to LA flight, with then a transfer flight from LA to SF (which was useless to me, as it was Sacramento I was going to).

In the same communication, UA also advised that the Syd-LA flight was already delayed by 4 hours due to the crew not having enough rest. So I couldn't have made the LA-SF connection they'd booked me on anyway, because at LA I'd have to go through Customs / Immigration, collect my luggage, go to a different terminal and check in again. That wouldn't work, so I just booked a separate flight with a different airline from LA to Sac which worked fine for me for timings, by if course was added expense.

This all happened on the Sunday evening, when I couldn't call the travel agent, nor UA, whose number was unavailable. Except when I checked my bag in for the LA flight, they told me that if I didn't get on the LA-SF flight, it might affect my flight home to Syd, as a no-show would make them cancel the whole booking. They couldn't take me off the LA-SF flight at the airport, instead I would have to find the UA people at LA and get them to do it, thus adding even more time. I explained that wouldn't work, so I then had to spend 50 minutes on the phone to UA, while still waiting at the departure gate, so they could effectively cancel the existing booking (the first flight of which I was about to board) and then re-book me for just SYD-LA and SF-Syd. She told me she thought she could do it, but that was a bloody stressful call! Luckily, she managed to do it.

The 50 minute delay for the flight home today was small beer by comparison.

So in a nutshell, UA cancelled 2 of the 3 flights I'd originally booked, delayed the 3rd a bit, delayed the rebooked flight to another destination by >4 hours, and booked me on a useless connection which I had no chance of making.

I will never fly with them again unless I really have no alternative. Should have known with a name like that they'd be wankers.

Glad you asked? :D

You could have stopped at United Airlines.
Consistently the worst airline ever.
If you can be bothered (I wouldn't bother tbh) to check back to Dec on this thread, you'll find a similar United Airlines catalogue of failures to provide any sort of reasonable service that resembles a professional, global, airline.

RazorsEdge 28-03-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CT_Palace (Post 16875396)
You could have stopped at United Airlines.
Consistently the worst airline ever.
If you can be bothered (I wouldn't bother tbh) to check back to Dec on this thread, you'll find a similar United Airlines catalogue of failures to provide any sort of reasonable service that resembles a professional, global, airline.

I remember reading that. UAL and BA used to be good, both now gone down.

Surprisingly, AA has gone up and last time I used them I was genuinely surprised

in-exile 28-03-2023 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 16875393)
Facebook adverts.

And, rather than the normal complaint, specifically Facebook ads for something you decide you actually want, but then when you click on it that product is not available.

Scalextric with the Ford Cosworth ?

RazorsEdge 28-03-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight (Post 16875361)
Could they just say they are not going to pay? Flights over, what are the crew going to do?

Would love if all the airlines did this. Also getting up before the belt sign goes off gets another fine.

Getting up when the plane is still taxing to apron is the hardest to police and if you fall and injure, it goes down as an accident and some serious paperwork for the crew to complete.

They normally cover their backsides by saying I asked and announcements were made and the walking freight did not listen, blah blah blah

With regards to the fine for carry on bags, I am sure the rest of the airline will bring it in, only matter of time

Isle of Wight 28-03-2023 06:43 PM

If I was a pilot I would do an emergency stop every time. That’ll soon learn em


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