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Isle of Wight 27-11-2008 06:24 PM

Apple TV
 
Anyone using it? Any good?

Can you rip you DVDs pop em into itunes and watch on your TV? As most DVD's are 7 GB doesnt your Mac/PC fill up or do you downsize them if so to what?

Thinking of getting one in the Black Friday Sale tomorrow.

cumbrian_eagles 27-11-2008 07:17 PM

Not sure about size, but handbrake has a default setting for AppleTV. I've been tempted by one too, but never seen it cheap enough to satisfy me

Isle of Wight 27-11-2008 08:29 PM

I'll wait and see how much they are tomorrow but I don't want to have one copy for my Ipod, one for my Iphone and another for apple TV. Sigh, all seems a bit complicated. :(

Brett 27-11-2008 09:11 PM

I don't use mine as much as I want to. Handbrake is a let down and the developers have all but admitted they have no interest in improving the options for the aTV.

I watch stuff I have bought from iTunes and vodcasts. It's a nice bit of kit but is let down by not being able to output 1080p.

As with all of the devices, it's the software limitations that ruins it. The content providers won't allow Apple to have DVD ripping in iTunes and Handbrake is too fiddly (I am a perfectionist).

I'd love it to have a blu-ray player built-in and a web browser - that would be the nuts. Yet even with a browser, you'll be limited by content providers and region restrictions.

Buy one if you have the time to fiddle with Handbrake.

Dave 27-11-2008 09:23 PM

have you considered running boxy or alternative softare?

Brett 27-11-2008 09:29 PM

I've run Boxee and XBMC on the Mac and I don't like either GUI so haven't flashed the aTV.

Boxee's GUI is particularly sluggish and the menu system is plain crazy. Hulu won't work either - I can't fake my IP address to look like I'm in the US.

Isle of Wight 27-11-2008 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave
have you considered running boxy or alternative softare?

No, I haven't a clue about it. What I would like to achieve is ripp my DVD's on my Imac, have them available to the play on my TV, 42" LCD, however I also want them to be able to be synched with my iphone or Ipod. I want a DVD Jukebox that can send a copy to my portable stuff. But I dont want to spend hours ripping, converting then converting again. Any guidence appreciated.

Smoz 27-11-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett
I've run Boxee and XBMC on the Mac and I don't like either GUI so haven't flashed the aTV.

Boxee's GUI is particularly sluggish and the menu system is plain crazy. Hulu won't work either - I can't fake my IP address to look like I'm in the US.


Have you tried Plex? I started using it a week or so ago and it seems pretty good to me, however I have only used it on my macbook, not tried hooking it up to a television.

Brett 27-11-2008 09:40 PM

It's not the ripping bit you'll have a problem with; when I rip I do it in batches overnight (and that's on a C2D iMac with 4gb RAM!). It's the settings that is the pain. One rip will look fantastic (in my case, The Hills Have Eyes 2) but the same settings will turn out junk on other movies (Gladiator, Family Guy...).

This is the biggest problem I have with Handbrake - the absolute need to fiddle with the settings for each movie.

As for multi-device work, there is an aTV pre-set in Handbrake and a quick tweak of one of the options will enable the output to run on iPhone's, iPod's etc. I can't remember which setting it is but it's on the Handbrake thread at MacRumors.

Brett 27-11-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoz
Have you tried Plex? I started using it a week or so ago and it seems pretty good to me, however I have only used it on my macbook, not tried hooking it up to a television.

Can't run Plex on the aTV. As with the Handbrake devs, they have written off the aTV hardware and are tailoring the code for high-end Mac Pro's.

I think the aTV is a dead one unless Apple converges with the Mac Mini or sticks a DVD or blu-ray drive in the next-gen aTV.

Smoz 27-11-2008 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett
Can't run Plex on the aTV. As with the Handbrake devs, they have written off the aTV hardware and are tailoring the code for high-end Mac Pro's.

I think the aTV is a dead one unless Apple converges with the Mac Mini or sticks a DVD or blu-ray drive in the next-gen aTV.

If they do actually bring out an updated Mac Mini in the new year as rumoured then I will probably get one to use as a media device.

Brett 27-11-2008 09:48 PM

I wish I'd have held off on the aTV now. The one downside with a Mini is the question marks on playing 1080p content and protected content.

There's a huge market here just waiting for someone to exploit.

Dave 27-11-2008 09:50 PM

There is no way you are going to be able to rip the same file for Iphone and 30in + LCd - that just doesn't happen.

I don't encode anything for my phone - it all comes direct from podcasts and from Iplayer.

In fact the only ripping I do isn't ripping at at all, I just create verbatim copies of my dvds as ISOs - sorry that doesn't help Atv peeps

Dave 27-11-2008 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett
I wish I'd have held off on the aTV now. The one downside with a Mini is the question marks on playing 1080p content and protected content.

There's a huge market here just waiting for someone to exploit.

I can play 1080p just about - it's expected with in built nasty intel graphics though

Brett 27-11-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave
I can play 1080p just about

On a Mini?

I'm having trouble playing them on my Alu iMac. I mean, they play but I have blocking. In theory, the hardware is easily powerful enough so I am wondering whether it's the screen (mad as that sounds).

Dave 27-11-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett
On a Mini?

Yeah but it's a bit moot as my tv only supports 1080i

Quote:

I'm having trouble playing them on my Alu iMac. I mean, they play but I have blocking. In theory, the hardware is easily powerful enough so I am wondering whether it's the screen (mad as that sounds).
What grahics card?

Brett 27-11-2008 10:16 PM

ATI Radeon HD2600

Dave 27-11-2008 10:18 PM

Should do then unless the box is overloaded when trying playback.

Isle of Wight 28-11-2008 07:04 AM

Just looked at the AppleTv in the sale and they give you the vast amount of 10.99 !!!!!! Now 259 instead of 270 Tightarses no appleTV for me

paf 28-11-2008 08:49 AM

Apple TV is rubbish, no? When they came out the reviews said you were better of buying a 30 squids Xbox 1 with XBMC.

For those who want to playback everything, in any format and at full 1080p, drop 100 on an Istar mini or popcorn hour. I use mine every day, they are so good I bought 2.

Dave 28-11-2008 09:27 AM

Looks like shite though

paf 28-11-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave
Looks like shite though

the xbox does, yeah, but not the istar or popcorn hour, or indeed one of the many different variations of the Netowrk Media Tank that are now availalbe.

Though they really are all intenrally the same. Suprised you aren't a convert.

Dave 28-11-2008 10:22 AM

Mine looks this this and has more functionality

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/th...00px-Retro.jpg

paf 28-11-2008 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave
Mine looks this this and has more functionality

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/th...00px-Retro.jpg

I see.

http://www.mediamania.se/mediaspelar...r_ph_a_100.jpg

and the difference being?

I have to say I have never used any of the stuff on it, youtube, flickr, podcasts or torrenting. I dont like the front end, but aslong as it plays everything, has a tiny footprint, is silent, boots in 30 seconds... I dont need anything else. I should point out, I dont think your system or Myth is bad, quite the opposite, just I fail to see a massive advnatge in it over some others that are available?

If you are a nerd you can do stuff and make the front end better, this guy has all his movies indexed and stuff, I am going to have to try and work out how he did it.

http://www.collectorz.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=62721

gcwhite 06-01-2009 04:43 AM

I have recently bought the Popcorn A110.

It's a bit buggy and needs reboots quite often. I had a lot of trouble because my 3 year old Philips HD LCD has a DVI port rather than an HDMI one.

To get it to work I've had to do a bit of a lash up using both an HDMI and DVI switch.

The picture quality is superb though. The TV supports up to 1080i and my ripped DVDs look great even though they are probably coming through at 720p.

I bought a Netgear EVA8000 first but had nothing but trouble with it. Thankfully I got my money back.

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 11:23 AM

Hi All, just bought an appletv. Any good movie conversion programs anyone can recommend for using with itunes/appletv ?

Isle of Wight 06-05-2009 11:26 AM

MAC the Ripper to rip and then Handbreak to convert they have an apple TV setting pre set

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Isle of Wight
MAC the Ripper to rip and then Handbreak to convert they have an apple TV setting pre set

And on the PC?
And what do you mean by rip, converting from DVD to mp4 file?. Also what is the best program to convert a file say divx, xvid to a format suitable to view on appletv?

At the moment I'm streaming from my PC, but is there any benefit in moving itunes library to iMac?

Dave 06-05-2009 11:51 AM

why not install Boxee and play all the files without converting?

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave
why not install Boxee and play all the files without converting?

Dave my man, funny you say that.....just found this on youtube.


Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 12:08 PM

As the vid suggests I need to patch my appletv to run the files with boxee or xbmc right ?

Dave 06-05-2009 12:17 PM

yes, you need to create a patchstick afaik

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave
yes, you need to create a patchstick afaik

Cheers geez, I will try this hopefully tonight.
Can Boxee run on both Vista & Mac ?

Dave 06-05-2009 02:26 PM

yeah

James Melody 06-05-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slough Eagle
Hi All, just bought an appletv. Any good movie conversion programs anyone can recommend for using with itunes/appletv ?

XBMC is what you want.

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV

It will stream all your media without conversion and is customisable. I run XBMC on my HTPC and wouldn't swop it for anything.

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by James Melody
XBMC is what you want.

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV

It will stream all your media without conversion and is customisable. I run XBMC on my HTPC and wouldn't swop it for anything.

Cheers James, seems like I've got a busy night ahead then :D. Is it worth having both (Boxee/XBMC) or is it best to stick to one?

James Melody 06-05-2009 03:08 PM

Both Paf and I installed Boxee and XBMC and have stuck with XBMC. Boxee takes forever to index your media and doesn't have the same level of community support. The XBMC forums are great. It does win on the web media side of things though.

Slough Eagle 06-05-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Melody
Both Paf and I installed Boxee and XBMC and have stuck with XBMC. Boxee takes forever to index your media and doesn't have the same level of community support. The XBMC forums are great. It does win on the web media side of things though.

Just seen this on the web, can XBMC do the same thing?, cheers for the feedback so far guys :p

KingsleY 06-05-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Slough Eagle
Just seen this on the web, can XBMC do the same thing?, cheers for the feedback so far guys :p

If your talking about Hulu, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't work in the UK.
You will need a proxy server of some sorts, and even then it probably will be slow

James Melody 06-05-2009 09:46 PM

My view is that if you are going to be watching lots of internet streaming content and don't have a big library then Boxee is the way forward. If you have a big library then XBMC is the way forward.

James Melody 06-05-2009 09:47 PM


Ridcully 06-05-2009 10:07 PM

xbmc with aeon is the way to go on AppleTV as unfortunately Plex is not supported due to the fact it runs a Tiger derivative rather than Leopard. Plex has basically the interface of xbmc with the plugins of Boxee so its the best of both worlds but only works on OSX Leopard.

Slough Eagle 07-05-2009 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Melody

How do I get this type of theme/skin on the appletv, currently running at default.
What a night I had configuring this this, very easy to install but got the resolution wrong (the screen was black but heard clicks)and reinstalled everything......just to work out all I needed to do was menu/+ :veryangry.
Anyway, how can I get full screen on the XBMC working on AppleTv?

James Melody 07-05-2009 09:12 AM

I don't claim to be an expert on the AppleTV but if you go here you will find lots of advice.

Slough Eagle 07-05-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Melody
I don't claim to be an expert on the AppleTV but if you go here you will find lots of advice.

Cheers James you've been very helpful :) :p.
I tried this last night:
Question: How do I get XBMC to show full screen rather than in windowed mode?

* Answer: Settings -> Appearance -> Screen -> Resolution -> Full Screen
But then the result was the picture now was too big, anyone else had this problem ?

James Melody 07-05-2009 04:26 PM

I know there is a setting on the windows version to set the resolution you display at. My TV is 1080p so I set XBMC to display at 1920x1080

KingsleY 07-05-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slough Eagle
How do I get this type of theme/skin on the appletv, currently running at default.
What a night I had configuring this this, very easy to install but got the resolution wrong (the screen was black but heard clicks)and reinstalled everything......just to work out all I needed to do was menu/+ :veryangry.
Anyway, how can I get full screen on the XBMC working on AppleTv?


Aeon stark will not run very well on the Apple TV at all, you will need the lite version:

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=49567

And to install the skin:

http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38747

If that don't get me rep, F U ;)

KingsleY 07-05-2009 08:34 PM

Paul, keep me updated on your success with Apple TV and XBMC.

Finally seems as if I have my network capable of streaming 720p, so plans are to move the PC downstairs and just run Apple TV up here.

Slough Eagle 08-05-2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingsleY
Paul, keep me updated on your success with Apple TV and XBMC.

Finally seems as if I have my network capable of streaming 720p, so plans are to move the PC downstairs and just run Apple TV up here.

Will do Alex :p
By the way the screen res problems I was having was due to not having the latest Launcher........updated to 3.0 all working in full screen goodness :).

Next thing to fix is the tearing video playback.

KingsleY 08-05-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Slough Eagle
Will do Alex :p
By the way the screen res problems I was having was due to not having the latest Launcher........updated to 3.0 all working in full screen goodness :).

Next thing to fix is the tearing video playback.

Enable vsync in settings

Slough Eagle 08-05-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KingsleY
Enable vsync in settings

:p will try that tonight, where is the location where I can download aeon for the AppleTv?

James Melody 08-05-2009 03:26 PM

First link above from KingsleY

Slough Eagle 08-05-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James Melody
First link above from KingsleY

:), I will let you guys know how it goes over the weekend. Dedicating the whole weekend to this so wifey can use without asking how to use it :D

KingsleY 08-05-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Slough Eagle
:), I will let you guys know how it goes over the weekend. Dedicating the whole weekend to this so wifey can use without asking how to use it :D

Once you've got it setup, let me borrow it for a day :D

Slough Eagle 17-05-2009 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KingsleY
Once you've got it setup, let me borrow it for a day :D

Thanks for the help yesterday mate, kind of all setup on Aeon......all I need to do now is to work out how to import my iPhoto library :p

CT_Palace 04-08-2020 02:48 PM

With some new smart TV's having an AppleTV app and Airplay is there any reason to buy an Apple TV unit any longer?


I should add that I am looking to buy a new TV and saw the AppleTV app and Airplay in the specs of a Samsung (IIRC) model.
I have for some time been thinking of getting an AppleTV box too, mainly to cast movies/tv shows downloaded on my Mac to the tv but also tempted by 12 months free subscription of AppleTV that comes with the purchase of any Apple hardware.

1905 04-08-2020 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CT_Palace (Post 15335042)
With some new smart TV's having an AppleTV app and Airplay is there any reason to buy an Apple TV unit any longer?


I should add that I am looking to buy a new TV and saw the AppleTV app and Airplay in the specs of a Samsung (IIRC) model.
I have for some time been thinking of getting an AppleTV box too, mainly to cast movies/tv shows downloaded on my Mac to the tv but also tempted by 12 months free subscription of AppleTV that comes with the purchase of any Apple hardware.

Personally i would always use a dedicated Apple TV unit, i just like the speed/way it performs for all the TV apps like BBC iplayer/AppleTV+/Netflix/DK TVapps/IPTV etc - just always allot more snappy/responsive that the apps built into TV's themselves which I find to be pretty laggy/and not well maintained/updated. Also the casting from Ipad etc is useful.

The free 1 year subs of AppleTV+ is a nice addition as well, some great shows we have seen throughout the lockdown :)

CT_Palace 05-08-2020 04:56 PM

Seems an expensive way to get a good interface with the various apps, but I understand where you're coming from. My 8 year old Samsung smart tv (the one to be replaced) is particularly clunky and cannot really be described as "smart".

Anyone else with an AppleTV unit or AppleTV app and Airplay experience?

Adlerhorst 05-08-2020 07:22 PM

I still prefer it it the apps on the TVs. Also prefer it to the fire stick (we have two Apple TVs and one fire stick)

Also I am increasingly surprised with the number of TVs that have issues with iPlayer and the like.

Hedgehog 05-08-2020 07:41 PM

I probably should start a new thread, but anyway... about a month back I signed up for Apple Pay. Never saw a need in the past, but due to the pandemic a lot of places here are using the QR code on receipts to have touch-less pay. Seemed a good time to give it a go.

I've used it twice now, and seems to work great. One thing I've noticed though is that although my bank shows the transaction went through OK and shows as cleared... in the Apple Pay Wallet the transactions still shows as "Pending" some 2 or 3 weeks after the transaction.

Google and Apple help are pretty vague on the subject.

Anyone else seen this or is it just the way it is, i.e. it doesn't update from pending when the transaction cycle is complete.


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