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Grim Reaper 07-12-2020 10:06 AM

For Shaw it was two own goals in a two week span which gets overlooked whereas Jeff Hopkins is labelled as the o.g. king

In my memory Hopkins scored 3 for us and 3 own goals but truth be told I wonder if this is actually right.

Can ony think of 2 own goals though

For - Southampton, Sheff Wed & Huddersfield (Cup)
O.G. - Swindon & Millwall

Anyone know if there was another time Hopkins scored an o.g. ?

ElwissAtMemphis 07-12-2020 02:23 PM

Some sources credit their 2nd goal to Gordon Durie. From that report it sounds like a deflection rather than a proper own goal.

Latvian Eagle 07-12-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15530621)
Some sources credit their 2nd goal to Gordon Durie. From that report it sounds like a deflection rather than a proper own goal.

From memory I seem to remember a wicked deflection taking the ball over Martyn, but I don't ever remember it being given as an Own Goal.

bubbs11 07-12-2020 03:51 PM

If you’re going by the criteria they use today, that it’s the shooting player’s goal if the shot is on target, then it’s most definitely an own goal by Shaw. The jammy git Durie was crossing it. Willing to go to the BBS VAR room though...

At 38:45 folks


Bipe 07-12-2020 07:24 PM

We're into a new chart week and the jostling for the coveted Christmas charts positions is well and truly underway:

Kinky Boots by Patrick Macnee and Honor Blackman - this 60s novelty record received a festive new lease of life, I think with the backing of a prominent DJ (was it Simon Mayo?). Contains unfortunate reference to 'sexy little schoolgirls'. More innocent times etc etc.

Saviour's Day by Cliff Richard - the equally naff follow up to the previous year's Christmas number 1 Mistletoe And Wine, this also got to the top spot but somewhat bizarrely not until the week after Christmas.

Justify My Love by Madonna - was it this one or Erotica which had the soft porn video, lots of writhing and moaning in conjunction with scantily clad sexpots? A load of old nonsense anyway, it got as high as number 2 which seems apt.

Latvian Eagle 07-12-2020 07:50 PM

Yup definite own goal. And exactly the goal I thought too.

stevek 08-12-2020 07:49 AM

In those days, there was no definitive ruling on who the goal was credited to - when did the dubious goals panel start?

ElwissAtMemphis 08-12-2020 01:19 PM

It used to be the referee's decision. Since the advent of TV cameras at every game, the authorities can retrospectively alter the initial ruling.

Grim Reaper 08-12-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15531844)
In those days, there was no definitive ruling on who the goal was credited to - when did the dubious goals panel start?

Wasn't place in 1990 or else no way Wright would have got his mega defelection goal that went in off Paul Parker three weeks prior to this game.

The Shaw o.g at Chelsea was not on par with his Southampton one. Pure bad luck the way the ball deflected - Nigel didn't stand a chance

Grim Reaper 08-12-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15531155)

Saviour's Day by Cliff Richard - the equally naff follow up to the previous year's Christmas number 1 Mistletoe And Wine, this also got to the top spot but somewhat bizarrely not until the week after Christmas.

Justify My Love by Madonna - was it this one or Erotica which had the soft porn video, lots of writhing and moaning in conjunction with scantily clad sexpots? A load of old nonsense anyway, it got as high as number 2 which seems apt.

Cliff did bag the number 1. Depending on the day Xmas falls on, sometimes the No.1 on Dec 25th isn't actually the Xmas No.1 as it reflects the salesof the previous week. I remember Mark Goodyer explaining it one year on the Top 40 (Maybe 88 as Xmas fell on a Sunday that year) so the Xmas No.1 is the one that incorporates the sales of the bulk of Xmas week even though the announcement might fall just after Dec 25th.

Also led to a good trivia question as to which artist had three successive Xmas No.1s. Looking at the historical list it's not obvious but Cliff was part of Band Aid II in 1989 so, with Mistletoe And Wine (88) Band Aid II (89) and Saviour's Day (90), he bagged his hattrick.

As for Madonna it may have been both videos that were soft porn. I know she was starkers in the Erotica video tryimg to thumb a lift from the traffic. And I think you might be right about the Justify my Love video. She was definitely in a phase at that point what with her Sex book and 'In Bed with Madonna' film at that time.

colonel 08-12-2020 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15530739)
If you’re going by the criteria they use today, that it’s the shooting player’s goal if the shot is on target, then it’s most definitely an own goal by Shaw. The jammy git Durie was crossing it. Willing to go to the BBS VAR room though...

At 38:45 folks


Amusing also to see Saint Gary of Lineker diving to earn a penalty and then blasting it over at 37:00

Bipe 08-12-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15532627)
Cliff did bag the number 1. Depending on the day Xmas falls on, sometimes the No.1 on Dec 25th isn't actually the Xmas No.1 as it reflects the salesof the previous week. I remember Mark Goodyer explaining it one year on the Top 40 (Maybe 88 as Xmas fell on a Sunday that year) so the Xmas No.1 is the one that incorporates the sales of the bulk of Xmas week even though the announcement might fall just after Dec 25th.



Also led to a good trivia question as to which artist had three successive Xmas No.1s. Looking at the historical list it's not obvious but Cliff was part of Band Aid II in 1989 so, with Mistletoe And Wine (88) Band Aid II (89) and Saviour's Day (90), he bagged his hattrick.



As for Madonna it may have been both videos that were soft porn. I know she was starkers in the Erotica video tryimg to thumb a lift from the traffic. And I think you might be right about the Justify my Love video. She was definitely in a phase at that point what with her Sex book and 'In Bed with Madonna' film at that time.

I understand your point from a technical perspective, in that the announced chart represents sales in the week ending on that day. However, surely from a moral perspective this is wrong, the convention is that the chart topper from the previous week holds the crown until they are displaced when the new chart is announced. Hence the timeless "...and the NEW number 1!!..." as the DJ reached the end of their chart rundown. They don't backdate it and say "the new number 1 with effect from 6 days ago"

Would be a bit like saying that whoever wins the league this year will in fact be the champions with effect from the day after the end of the previous season.

That's what I think anyway, so it's still Vanilla Ice in 1990 for me. Now disappearing into Google to seek vindication...

Bipe 08-12-2020 04:58 PM

Wikipedia agrees with the Grim Reaper...this is nuts, it means that we don't get to find out the Christmas number one until after Christmas Day (except for every few years when the date coincides with the latest chart). How can this possibly be right?? I feel my earth shifting on its axis, everything I've believed to be true is now a lie.

Grim Reaper 09-12-2020 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15532692)
That's what I think anyway, so it's still Vanilla Ice in 1990 for me. Now disappearing into Google to seek vindication...

I had a few bets in the common room at school that Ice Ice Baby would stay at Number 1. Was gutted it didn't quite hang on

How I remember it working is 1988. Xmas was a Sunday

When you woke up on Christmas morning the number one accounced at 7pm on Dec 18th was still the number one on Christmas Day....but the chart was then announced from 5pm to reflect the sales from Dec 19th to DEc 24th thus Mistletoe and Wine was 'Christmas No.1' even though for 19 hours it wasn't.

Hope this makes some sense.

And I know I'm using 1988 to explain a 1990 situation but I always reference the Mark Goodyer explanation. Funny that I can rememer that from 32 years ago but can't remember to put the bins out in time! :eek:

Grim Reaper 09-12-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15532695)
I feel my earth shifting on its axis, everything I've believed to be true is now a lie.

Been there mate. I share your pain! :eek:

I also know that the Top 40 on Radio 1 used to be simply listing the charts that got announced the previous Tuesday, then TotP on a Thursday. 99% of people listening would know what the No.1 was well before the Top 40 came on.

When I was well into the charts 1983-85, the initial fix was the Top 20 getting announced on BBC Breakfast Time, then the full Top 40 on Top of the Pops the following day

I honestly don't know when it changed to the Top 40 being THE anncouncement of the official chart

Bipe 09-12-2020 03:39 PM

Yes good point and if I recall correctly there was a period in the mid 80s when the new chart was announced on a midweek afternoon on Radio 1. That seemed fine, a bit like the FA Cup draw on a Tuesday lunchtime or whenever it was.

I still stand by my point that you cannot be sitting down to eat your turkey on Christmas Day without knowing what the Christmas number 1 is, because the chart will not be announced until the day after Boxing Day. Utter lunacy.

Bipe 14-12-2020 12:50 PM

On 16 December 1990 we won 1-0 at home to Luton Town. The game had been moved to the Sunday, not for TV but if I recall to avoid a clash with the anticipated Croydon Christmas shopping frenzy on the Saturday. Seemed a bit of a strange one at the time.

As was the case when we played Luton at home the previous year, the game was a pretty turgid affair but we sneaked home courtesy of Mark Bright, thus bouncing back effectively after our second defeat of the season at Chelsea the previous week.

Grim Reaper 15-12-2020 01:52 PM

Only missed a couple of home games all season - this being one of them. Can't even recall why I didn't go. Can only assume I needed the money from my Sunday job - all £9 of it!

1989-90 - Luton (H) turgid
1990-91 - Luton (H) turgid
1991-92 - Luton (H) turgid

The away games were also pretty much the same in this era as well.

N Herts Eagle 15-12-2020 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15542419)
Only missed a couple of home games all season - this being one of them. Can't even recall why I didn't go. Can only assume I needed the money from my Sunday job - all £9 of it!

1989-90 - Luton (H) turgid
1990-91 - Luton (H) turgid
1991-92 - Luton (H) turgid

The away games were also pretty much the same in this era as well.

But you missed out the 4 1 Simod Cup win ...if my memory serves me right Kelvin Morton had a hand in helping us.

Grim Reaper 15-12-2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15542435)
But you missed out the 4 1 Simod Cup win ...if my memory serves me right Kelvin Morton had a hand in helping us.

Good old Kelvin! :lux: But that was when we were 2nd Division.

It was this three year First Division window where turgidity came as standard.

Once we were both back in the second tier (93-94) the games improved. :D

Latvian Eagle 15-12-2020 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15542732)
Good old Kelvin! :lux: But that was when we were 2nd Division.

It was this three year First Division window where turgidity came as standard.

Once we were both back in the second tier (93-94) the games improved. :D

I don't know. I remember witnessing a few dire 0-0 and 1-0 games between us between 93-97ish.

N Herts Eagle 15-12-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15542867)
I don't know. I remember witnessing a few dire 0-0 and 1-0 games between us between 93-97ish.

One of which was the point that the following day guaranteed promotion. Also the game where the Luton Doctor walked on the pitch turned to my mate and told him last time I saw him he had his finger up my arse.
Prostrate exam he was my doctor also father in law of Paul Walsh we often talked football. He was a great Dr who helped me so much after first heart attack.

JJ 15-12-2020 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15542419)
Only missed a couple of home games all season - this being one of them. Can't even recall why I didn't go.

I was at the game but can't remember a single thing about it, so you can't have missed too much.

Latvian Eagle 15-12-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15542939)
One of which was the point that the following day guaranteed promotion. Also the game where the Luton Doctor walked on the pitch turned to my mate and told him last time I saw him he had his finger up my arse.
Prostrate exam he was my doctor also father in law of Paul Walsh we often talked football. He was a great Dr who helped me so much after first heart attack.

I remember a game that ended either 0-0 or we won 1-0 with a very late goal, I can't remember, would have been about 95/96 and they had that giant Ian Feuer in goal who just plucked everything out of the air all game long.

Sainter 15-12-2020 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15540705)
On 16 December 1990 we won 1-0 at home to Luton Town. The game had been moved to the Sunday, not for TV but if I recall to avoid a clash with the anticipated Croydon Christmas shopping frenzy on the Saturday. Seemed a bit of a strange one at the time.

As was the case when we played Luton at home the previous year, the game was a pretty turgid affair but we sneaked home courtesy of Mark Bright, thus bouncing back effectively after our second defeat of the season at Chelsea the previous week.

This was my first Palace game ever. It wasn't very inspiring but I was so excited to actually be there after following Palace from Australia for 15 years.

Spindle 15-12-2020 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15527862)
8 December 1992: Chelsea 2 Crystal Palace 1

I always hated going to Stamford Bridge before they refurbished it. That poxy away end, one of the ugliest grounds around with the huge stand engulfing everything else and we never seemed to get a result or even play well there. The only exception I think was 1991/92, possibly the late David Whyte's finest hour in a 1-1 draw.

Inevitably then, this turned into an afternoon of disappointment with the west London scum inflicting our second league defeat of the season. Andy Thorn popped up with a very rare goal for us. My memory is that we seemed to have run out of gas a little in this match and did not really perform, thus letting Chelsea off the hook. Certainly Wright and Bright had a rare off day up front, things didn't really click for them.

All things considered though, reaching the second week of December with only two defeats on the board was a remarkable position to be in and with some winnable games through to the new year there seemed no reason why we couldn't maintain our challenge near the top of the table.

Wrong season....... this thread is for the previous season or have I missed something.

I recall us losing at Stamford Bridge, I was livid as we'd battered them and I distinctly recall the report in the paper next day ".....Palace were robbed of a deserved victory..."

Was this another time we lost 2-1? I could've sworn it was the 90/91 season as I went to the game.

Selhurst Celtic 15-12-2020 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15542939)
Also the game where the Luton Doctor walked on the pitch turned to my mate and told him last time I saw him he had his finger up my arse.

:D

bubbs11 16-12-2020 12:51 AM

PALACE 1. Bright
LUTON 0

Att: 15,195

Palace: Martyn. Humphrey. Shaw. Gray. Young. Thorn. Salako. Thomas. Bright. Wright. McGoldrick. Subs: Pardew, Thompson (not used)


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bubbs11 16-12-2020 06:53 AM


Bipe 16-12-2020 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spindle (Post 15543122)
Wrong season....... this thread is for the previous season or have I missed something.

I recall us losing at Stamford Bridge, I was livid as we'd battered them and I distinctly recall the report in the paper next day ".....Palace were robbed of a deserved victory..."

Was this another time we lost 2-1? I could've sworn it was the 90/91 season as I went to the game.

Apologies, typo in my post which I somehow failed to spot until you raised it! Since it's me who started this thread I can confidently confirm that it was definitely the 1990/91 match I was wittering on about.

bubbs11 16-12-2020 07:34 AM

I have no memory of this game. The Christmas drinking must’ve started early.

Bipe 16-12-2020 07:42 AM

Just two days after the Luton match we embarked upon what would turn out to be a fascinating journey all the way to Wembley. It was our first match in the Full Members' Cup (sponsored in that season by Zenith Data Systems), a home match against lowly Bristol Rovers on 18 December 1990.

I decided on a whim to pop up to Selhurst after work, on my own although I bumped in to a couple of mates en route to the ground. Although the match was hardly a classic I'm glad I did so as in hindsight it meant I was able to see our run to the ZDS Trophy all the way through to Wembley. The crowd would have been paltry overall but the Bristol Rovers fans put in a good effort, travelling up to London in surprising numbers and remaining vocal throughout as their side put on a fighting display. We squeaked home 2-1 with goals from Salako and Gray, neither of which I can remember I'm afraid. Will be interesting to see our line up for this game, fairly strong I'm sure although I think Pardew featured in our team throughout the ZDS run, so either Thomas or Gray would have been rested from the starting line up. It was during this competition that a young Gareth Southgate also started to figure in our first team plans, can't recall if he was involved in this game but he certainly went on to play a part in our run to the final.

If memory serves the Full Members Cup was created in the mid-80s in response to English clubs being banned from Europe, and wasn't Ron Noades involved in some way? The top few clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd) never participated but the majority of the first division did. Over the years it was in operation it produced some entertaining and high scoring finals, and if nothing else was a good chance for a team like Palace to get to Wembley and play in front of a decent crowd.

Bipe 16-12-2020 07:46 AM

PS Just spotted Steve Coppell's comment about Luton's sweeper system to nullify Wright and Bright in Bubbs' match report: "Like communism, it doesn't work!" Someone needs to have a word with cockneyrebel over on the politics forum.

N Herts Eagle 16-12-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15543274)
Just two days after the Luton match we embarked upon what would turn out to be a fascinating journey all the way to Wembley. It was our first match in the Full Members' Cup (sponsored in that season by Zenith Data Systems), a home match against lowly Bristol Rovers on 18 December 1990.

I decided on a whim to pop up to Selhurst after work, on my own although I bumped in to a couple of mates en route to the ground. Although the match was hardly a classic I'm glad I did so as in hindsight it meant I was able to see our run to the ZDS Trophy all the way through to Wembley. The crowd would have been paltry overall but the Bristol Rovers fans put in a good effort, travelling up to London in surprising numbers and remaining vocal throughout as their side put on a fighting display. We squeaked home 2-1 with goals from Salako and Gray, neither of which I can remember I'm afraid. Will be interesting to see our line up for this game, fairly strong I'm sure although I think Pardew featured in our team throughout the ZDS run, so either Thomas or Gray would have been rested from the starting line up. It was during this competition that a young Gareth Southgate also started to figure in our first team plans, can't recall if he was involved in this game but he certainly went on to play a part in our run to the final.

If memory serves the Full Members Cup was created in the mid-80s in response to English clubs being banned from Europe, and wasn't Ron Noades involved in some way? The top few clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd) never participated but the majority of the first division did. Over the years it was in operation it produced some entertaining and high scoring finals, and if nothing else was a good chance for a team like Palace to get to Wembley and play in front of a decent crowd.

They were also the forerunner of Skys football coverage. Live games from the First Division were being shown on Terrestrial TV. Some F A Cup games. Not sure about BSB.
It was an era though when live football was still a novelty. There were some foriegn games and you could pick up highlights and live games on overseas satellite channels. I had the Millwall game from the season before with Swedish commentary taped from the Sky Box.
QPR Full Members Cup game is one I recall but not sure of the season.
Within what two years the whole face of football would change regarding TV games. The wholesale change in football would be funded. Unknown at the time this was the end of an era the fledgling birth of what we know today.

N Herts Eagle 16-12-2020 08:36 AM

Thinking about it the other change the Internet. Not sure when CP FRIS started but its around now that the home PC was taking off. Soon the telephone line being used for the early Internet connections. I had a 286 Windows machine.

stevek 16-12-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15543316)
Thinking about it the other change the Internet. Not sure when CP FRIS started but its around now that the home PC was taking off. Soon the telephone line being used for the early Internet connections. I had a 286 Windows machine.

Seems a little early for the internet to me. I started my civil service career in July 1991. I think we had 286 machines, and they were on an internal network with an internal email system, but there was no external internet yet.

Bipe 16-12-2020 10:17 AM

Yes, I started my first job in 1990, for AMP. There was one 'computer' per team which people used only on an occasional basis for specific tasks. The vast majority of our work was done manually including hand writing internal memos and external letters, the latter then being sent down to the typing pool for issue. My job was to calculate policy alterations and the impact on premium, which was done by following a series of actuarial tables printed out in folders. We had to set out our workings for each stage of the calculation, and these were then reviewed and signed off by a more senior person. There was no internal email.

It was only when I moved on to my next job a couple of years later and started using Lotus 123 that the scales fell from my eyes and it dawned on me that a calculation which used to take me say 20 minutes could have been done with the press of a button with the right programming in place.

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 08:52 AM

Blimey Bipe - reading that I think me and you are actually the same person!

Typing pools; actuarial tables, Lotus 123. Glory days!

Only difference is I didn't start at Colonial Mutual until 1992

N Herts Eagle 17-12-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15543387)
Seems a little early for the internet to me. I started my civil service career in July 1991. I think we had 286 machines, and they were on an internal network with an internal email system, but there was no external internet yet.

You are right its a little early by about a year maybe two. Pipex and Demon were developing from 1990. Within a matter of a few years the Internet was available in your home.

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15543309)
QPR Full Members Cup game is one I recall but not sure of the season.

91/92. Think we won 3-2 (having been 3-0 up). I remember when Gabbiadini scored it flashed up on the screen '100th Goal on Sky Sports'.

I think it was the 100th goal shown live on Sky that season but this was pre-Premier League so as I sit here now I'm trying to work out what coverage that version of Sky Sports (this was still the fresh merger of BSB Sports channel and the combination of what the old Sky Channel and possibly Eurosport brought to the table) had in those days.

This was pre-Premier League so they didn't have First Division Football, although I think they had FA Cup that season (Southampton beating United on pens at Old Trafford sticks in my head) and the rest must have been ZDS and Autoglass (or whatever it was called that year).

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15545598)
You are right its a little early by about a year maybe two. Pipex and Demon were developing from 1990. Within a matter of a few years the Internet was available in your home.

Internet started in people's homes as the 90s wore on. First I saw it for myself was 1996 but it had started being a thing before then since its invention in 1989. I know the first only bet was placed in 1996 (US website and the bet was on Spurs to beat Hereford!)

very slow and clunky (a minute to get one page to load when there wasn't much on the net, for which you paid £60 a month! :D)

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15543274)
If memory serves the Full Members Cup was created in the mid-80s in response to English clubs being banned from Europe, and wasn't Ron Noades involved in some way? The top few clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd) never participated but the majority of the first division did. Over the years it was in operation it produced some entertaining and high scoring finals, and if nothing else was a good chance for a team like Palace to get to Wembley and play in front of a decent crowd.

Who remembers in the first season (1985-86) when this Full Members Cup was alongside the Screensport Super Cup?

The sides who missed out on European qualification had their own tournament that was such a mess that the final got played THE FOLLOWING SEASON!

Also had the added bonus of a group stage where Man Utd finished bottom of a three team group and Division Two Norwich City were involved having won the League Cup in 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Super_Cup

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spindle (Post 15543122)
I recall us losing at Stamford Bridge, I was livid as we'd battered them and I distinctly recall the report in the paper next day ".....Palace were robbed of a deserved victory..."

Maybe you're thinking of the 91/92 game where David Whyte (RIP) scored as part fo a very good game by him in general and we conceded an equaliser very late on. Ended 1-1

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15543070)
I remember a game that ended either 0-0 or we won 1-0 with a very late goal, I can't remember, would have been about 95/96 and they had that giant Ian Feuer in goal who just plucked everything out of the air all game long.

We played Luton twice in the space of a couple of weeks in March 96. 0-0 at their place and beat them at home 2-0, with both goals coming late (82nd & 86th) from substitute Bruce Dyer, after their goalie had single handedly kept them in it

Latvian Eagle 17-12-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15545622)
We played Luton twice in the space of a couple of weeks in March 96. 0-0 at their place and beat them at home 2-0, with both goals coming late (82nd & 86th) from substitute Bruce Dyer, after their goalie had single handedly kept them in it

That must have been it then. Just remember we really struggled to get the ball past their keeper.

N Herts Eagle 17-12-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15545615)
Who remembers in the first season (1985-86) when this Full Members Cup was alongside the Screensport Super Cup?

The sides who missed out on European qualification had their own tournament that was such a mess that the final got played THE FOLLOWING SEASON!

Also had the added bonus of a group stage where Man Utd finished bottom of a three team group and Division Two Norwich City were involved having won the League Cup in 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Super_Cup

Screensport that ended up as part of Eurosport. It was on satellite i think. I am trying to recall but think it had the Africain Cup which was highly entertaining.

Lotus 123 with the wonders of Macros which revolutionized the whole thing. Let alone multiple spreadsheets. This was the changing face of office life.

Looking back now the changes during the 90s are pretty anazing. Living through them and seeing how its developed.

Bipe 17-12-2020 09:54 AM

I have belatedly woken up to the fact that Ron Noades' benevolence in switching the Luton game to the Sunday in order to accommodate the Croydon Christmas shopping spree has buggered up my exciting and dynamic top ten movers and shakers update - in effect we skipped a week so I can now give you a special festive bumper 12 inch extended two weeks in one megamix:

Week ending 15 December 1990

All Together Now by The Farm - The Scouse scally's second and last major UK hit (they had another couple of minor ones), I suppose it had a vaguely seasonal vibe with its spirit of goodwill and orchestral undertones. Didn't really float my boat but no harm in it.

This One's For The Children by New Kids On The Block - Cannot remember this at all, again I assume it was an attempt to cash in on the Christmas market with some sort of 'save the world' type message. It limped to number 9 and then crashed out again, possibly their final top ten hit.

Wicked Game by Chris Isaak - Yet another David Lynch inspired hit. Isaak was a former boxer with a broken nose but film noir good looks and a cod-Elvis croon. I quite liked this, it had a sultry air to it.

Week ending 22 December 1990

You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling / Ebb Tide by the Righteous Brothers - in a year dominated by covers and re-released old hits here they were again, hot on the heels of their number 1 Unchained Melody. Another masterful Phil Spector production, this time they only got as high as number 3.

Sadeness (Part 1) by Enigma - A weird near instrumental chill out dance track interspersed with the ghostly murmerings of Gregorian Monks, this was a huge hit eventually reaching number 1 in the middle of January. My wife loved it so much she bought the album (I hasten to add that I didn't know her at the time).

Mary Had A Little Boy by Snap! - The chart orientated rap / dance outfit had enjoyed a massive year. This cynical Christmas single had more limited appeal, only getting as high as number 8. It never appears on classic Christmas songs compilations and there is a good reason for that.

Pray by MC Hammer - Again this one is drawing a blank. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that it was a pile of steaming crap, in line with the rest of his output.

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 10:00 AM

Pray was sort of fun I guess. MC Hammer in the video was funny....although he wasn't intending to be funny. I recall him breaking up some dice street gambling game and preaching to the 'evil' gamblers and then singing 'Pray, pray that you make it today.'

AddoWolz 17-12-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15545617)
Maybe you're thinking of the 91/92 game where David Whyte (RIP) scored as part fo a very good game by him in general and we conceded an equaliser very late on. Ended 1-1

Remember going to this game, it was Feb 92 David Whyte scored for us and we completely dominated the game , they brought on Tony Cascarino very late on who then scored with virtually the last touch of the game .

Justy C 17-12-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AddoWolz (Post 15546024)
Remember going to this game, it was Feb 92 David Whyte scored for us and we completely dominated the game , they brought on Tony Cascarino very late on who then scored with virtually the last touch of the game .

I know we're off topic here but I remember that game mainly for David Whyte absolutely terrorising Chelsea - he was outstanding. Graeme Le Saux ended up just hacking him down, he was fed up being embarrassed by Whyte.

Grim Reaper 17-12-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Justy C (Post 15546048)
I know we're off topic here .

Good point - who would have predicted that Bristol Rovers ZDS Cup tie (literally the most forgettable game of the season) would be the one that sparked so many tangent memories!! :D

On the subject of the ZDS, Palace were a team who took this more seriously than most. Two semi finals in the previous two years had backed up the FA Cup Final appearance - we weren't in Forest's sphere of the time (they were Cup kings in this era) but we were the sort of team that no one wanted to be drawn against, similar to how Wimbledon were perceived.

bubbs11 17-12-2020 07:46 PM

Zenith Data Systems Cup 2nd Rd

PALACE 2. Gray. Salako
BRISTOL R. 1 Pounder

Att: 5,209

Palace: Martyn. Humphrey. Shaw. Gray. Young. Thorn. Salako. Thomas. Bright. Wright. McGoldrick. Subs: Pardew, Thompson (not used)



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bubbs11 17-12-2020 08:03 PM

Interesting comments from Noades. ‘The McCann agency’???

Anyone shine a light on this? I’m guessing it was some kind of early agent company that looked after the interests of some of the team of the 80’s - namely those that buggered off to QPR. Total guess mind.

Bipe 17-12-2020 09:24 PM

So we picked our strongest possible team for this one...amazing, imagine the meltdown on here if we did that in the third round of the FA Cup let alone the first round of a Mickey Mouse competition.

art malice 17-12-2020 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15546314)
Interesting comments from Noades. ‘The McCann agency’???

Anyone shine a light on this? I’m guessing it was some kind of early agent company that looked after the interests of some of the team of the 80’s - namely those that buggered off to QPR. Total guess mind.

Think it was Terry. And Arfur. Down the Winchester.

N Herts Eagle 17-12-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15546314)
Interesting comments from Noades. ‘The McCann agency’???

Anyone shine a light on this? I’m guessing it was some kind of early agent company that looked after the interests of some of the team of the 80’s - namely those that buggered off to QPR. Total guess mind.

McCann the maiden name of Terry Venables first wife they divorced in 1984. Guesswork where alledgedly he benefitted from the moves from Palace to QPR never proved.

Bipe 20-12-2020 08:37 AM

Well after all of yesterday's doom and gloom let me take you back to a happier time...22 December 1990, Manchester City 0 Crystal Palace 2.

We weren't going to miss this one, a chance for a pre-Christmas day out and Palace fans made the trek up north in good numbers on a chilly day. We broke the deadlock early thanks to a comedy own goal from Neil Pointon, carefully guiding a long punt upfield past his startled keeper. The game after that was a tight one with good ebb and flow to it, back in those days City had a vocal and passionate home support roaring them on and they pushed us hard. But in the second half we sealed the win with another wonderful Ian Wright goal.

It's funny, this thread has highlighted many goals and snapshots from that wonderful season which I have sadly now completely forgotten. But I can still see Wright's goal in my mind's eye as clear as anything. We were towards the back of the cavernous stand behind the goal, up in the Gods which afforded a bird's eye view of the action in front of us. Wright picked up the ball near halfway on the left touchline as we were looking at it, then embarked on a jinking diagonal run to the edge of the box before slotting a low shot home.

It was a festive and cheery train ride back to London, with time to drop in to the Porter and Sorter for a few celebratory pints before completing the journey home. After a couple of relatively mediocre displays this put us back on track, a deserved win against a good team who were also enjoying a strong season in the right half of the division. Like us, they had only suffered two defeats prior to this game although they had more draws to their name. Our win sent them into a mini-slump and they went on to also lose three of their next four games, so a decisive moment in terms of how the league table would ultimately look.

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 10:11 AM

Only one player springs to mind when I think of this game.....Denis Law!

His biased, moaning commentary on Radio 2 (supposedly impartial) is one of the funniest things you can ever listen to as a Palace fan. I have the commentary on cassette and will get round to uploading it on the OMP Soundcloud account at some stage. It is a true delight. With Xmas coming up I might actually have some spare time to do it.

"Palace are cheats"; "Palace are rough"; "Palace are long ball"......and then that glorious moment when Wright jinks through (as Bipe said above) and slotted in from the edge of the area and Law was well and truly shut up. I was sat in my bedroom screaming at the radio flicking the V's at Law.

I absolutely would have loved to have been in that commentary box to see the contorted look on his face as he tried to force the words out and agree that Wright's goal was indeed a moment of class.

Listened to that commentary a lot during 1991!

Truly, truly great moment and a brilliant win.

As for the goal, Palace nominated it as the Goal of the Season for the ITV/Saint & Greavsie award. For the second year on the trot the nominations were announced before the end of the season and Palace being Palace actually scored BETTER goals after the deadline! (Gray v Man City, 5/5/90 and Wright's 2nd at Wimbledon 4/5/91)

It was a decent goal but looking at it now, it wasn't that good - the defenders made it a lot easier for Wright by backing off and giving him the space to run. That said, the fact that Law was made to choke on his words made it a 10/10!

Bipe 20-12-2020 10:34 AM

Now you mention that Grim I do remember hearing about Law's moaning from people who weren't at the game. It may also have been highlighted in Eagle Eye if I recall.

We did of course have a reputation as a long ball team which was deserved to a large extent - Andy Thorn's punts upfield were a thing of beauty - but we also relied on exciting wing play and of course two top class forwards. The establishment were annoyed that one of the smaller clubs was muscling in on the top table, that never went down well even back then and these days of course it's much worse.

stevek 20-12-2020 10:49 AM

One of our strengths at the time was what we'd do with the second phase possession. Hoof it forward, half cleared, Thomas and Gray in like terriers and make the most of the possession.

stevek 20-12-2020 10:50 AM

Oh, and I've always loved the fact that the City fans' nickname for Pointin was 'Disa'.

eltron 20-12-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by N Herts Eagle (Post 15546519)
McCann the maiden name of Terry Venables first wife they divorced in 1984. Guesswork where alledgedly he benefitted from the moves from Palace to QPR never proved.

That would make sense.

A lot of the cheap sales made to QPR at the time were agreed between 2 managers who had her as their agent.

Venables for them
Allison for us

Allison would have stayed in the role as our manager, but when Uncle Ron took over, it was after a spate of cut-price sales between the 2 old buddies.

Yes - Vanables ****ed us over. Twice.
But Allison played his part when we still had a chance of staying up.

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 02:42 PM

Wow guys. Never knew anything about this McCann situation and Tel/Big Mal.

I'm aware of a very similar alleged situation in the 90s with Eric Hall/Tel and some very strange players getting an England cap under Tel (Bould, Richardson etc)

Also, anyone remember the Pompey players we got soon after Tel joined. Can only remember Andy Turner (FFS!) and Craig Foster yet in my head I feel there there were more.

Levski 20-12-2020 03:00 PM

Didn't El Tel 'sign' some Brazilian players who then never turned up (in his second spell). Extremely suspicious.

RUSSELL 20-12-2020 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15551190)
Wow guys. Never knew anything about this McCann situation and Tel/Big Mal.

I'm aware of a very similar alleged situation in the 90s with Eric Hall/Tel and some very strange players getting an England cap under Tel (Bould, Richardson etc)

Also, anyone remember the Pompey players we got soon after Tel joined. Can only remember Andy Turner (FFS!) and Craig Foster yet in my head I feel there there were more.

Bradbury??

Latvian Eagle 20-12-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Levski (Post 15551206)
Didn't El Tel 'sign' some Brazilian players who then never turned up (in his second spell). Extremely suspicious.

Argentinians, Pablo Rodrigues and Christian Ledesma never showed up to play but were in the Squad photo. Walter Del Rio did play a few games and was absolutely crap.

Just looked it up Rodrigues and Ledesma were part of the same deal, but Rodrigues failed a medical and we cancelled the whole deal. But weirdly we had already included them in the team photo before actually completing the transfer. :moo:

Levski 20-12-2020 03:07 PM

Wow, good memory. Interesting about the medical, I didn't know that. I remember the squad photo now you mention it. Strange times. Club seemed so poorly run then, on the brink of disaster and so it proved.

N Herts Eagle 20-12-2020 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15551213)
Argentinians, Pablo Rodrigues and Christian Ledesma never showed up to play but were in the Squad photo. Walter Del Rio did play a few games and was absolutely crap.

Just looked it up Rodrigues and Ledesma were part of the same deal, but Rodrigues failed a medical and we cancelled the whole deal. But weirdly we had already included them in the team photo before actually completing the transfer. :moo:

Rodrigues was at the pre season open day introduced to the crowd.

Bipe 20-12-2020 03:20 PM

Was Walter Del Rio the one we paid a "transfer fee" for even though he was without a club? Some very interesting transactions throughout that period, poor old Mark Goldberg was taken to the cleaners.

N Herts Eagle 20-12-2020 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15551190)
Wow guys. Never knew anything about this McCann situation and Tel/Big Mal.

I'm aware of a very similar alleged situation in the 90s with Eric Hall/Tel and some very strange players getting an England cap under Tel (Bould, Richardson etc)

Also, anyone remember the Pompey players we got soon after Tel joined. Can only remember Andy Turner (FFS!) and Craig Foster yet in my head I feel there there were more.

Look at the signings we made Gerry Francis known by TV at QPR. Clive Allen from Arsenal and before that QPR plus Tel knew Les Allen his father. Mike Flanagan had not played in UK for 6 months after fall out with Hales. Played for New England in the States. Managed by Noel Cantwell played with Big Mal at West Ham for years. George Graham Tel at Chelsea. There are a couple Elwiss Burridge Kember where there is not an easy link. Then Francis Allan Flanagan went to QPR. Now I dont know so total speculation. Just at the time it seemed a little dodgy.
Noades comment at the time though tells you that all was not right.

bubbs11 20-12-2020 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15550737)
Only one player springs to mind when I think of this game.....Denis Law!

His biased, moaning commentary on Radio 2 (supposedly impartial) is one of the funniest things you can ever listen to as a Palace fan. I have the commentary on cassette and will get round to uploading it on the OMP Soundcloud account at some stage. It is a true delight. With Xmas coming up I might actually have some spare time to do it.

"Palace are cheats"; "Palace are rough"; "Palace are long ball"......and then that glorious moment when Wright jinks through (as Bipe said above) and slotted in from the edge of the area and Law was well and truly shut up. I was sat in my bedroom screaming at the radio flicking the V's at Law.

I absolutely would have loved to have been in that commentary box to see the contorted look on his face as he tried to force the words out and agree that Wright's goal was indeed a moment of class.

Listened to that commentary a lot during 1991!

It was a decent goal but looking at it now, it wasn't that good - the defenders made it a lot easier for Wright by backing off and giving him the space to run. That said, the fact that Law was made to choke on his words made it a 10/10!


I listened to that commentary and taped it too. Could never put it online as I taped it on an old tape recorder shoved up against the radio so you could hear any noises in the room. With the absolutely disgustingly biased stuff Law was saying, I just lost it, and you can hear me in the background slating Law. Listening back to it recently, there’s also a massive emotional roar when Wrighty makes it two. Glad you’ve got a copy Grim. Seriously, those of you that never heard it at the time, will be shocked at how disrespectful Law is towards Palace. Unbelievable that the BBC allowed that.

But as was mentioned, we were really treading on the big clubs toes by this stage and they weren’t liking it. It did feel like we were being ganged up against, and looking back at the UEFA/FA/Liverpool decision and the following season, the whole ‘Noades racist’ vendetta by the media, it felt like they went out of their way to put us ‘in our place’. It really felt like that.

Report from City win coming up.

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSSELL (Post 15551209)
Bradbury??

I thought that initially but he went from Pompey to City before coming to us.

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15551213)
Argentinians, Pablo Rodrigues and Christian Ledesma never showed up to play but were in the Squad photo. Walter Del Rio did play a few games and was absolutely crap.

Just looked it up Rodrigues and Ledesma were part of the same deal, but Rodrigues failed a medical and we cancelled the whole deal. But weirdly we had already included them in the team photo before actually completing the transfer. :moo:

Don't forget as well there was a fourth Argie player we were linked with - Diego Maradona! Wasn't just paper talk - we made a genuine attempt to land him.

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Levski (Post 15551218)
Wow, good memory. Interesting about the medical, I didn't know that. I remember the squad photo now you mention it. Strange times. Club seemed so poorly run then, on the brink of disaster and so it proved.

Currently writing the second 'One More Point' book - I'm about to cover this period. Reckon I could do a whole book just on 1998-99! :supergrin:

Grim Reaper 20-12-2020 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15551296)
I listened to that commentary and taped it too. Could never put it online as I taped it on an old tape recorder shoved up against the radio so you could hear any noises in the room. With the absolutely disgustingly biased stuff Law was saying, I just lost it, and you can hear me in the background slating Law. Listening back to it recently, there’s also a massive emotional roar when Wrighty makes it two. Glad you’ve got a copy Grim. Seriously, those of you that never heard it at the time, will be shocked at how disrespectful Law is towards Palace. Unbelievable that the BBC allowed that.

But as was mentioned, we were really treading on the big clubs toes by this stage and they weren’t liking it. It did feel like we were being ganged up against, and looking back at the UEFA/FA/Liverpool decision and the following season, the whole ‘Noades racist’ vendetta by the media, it felt like they went out of their way to put us ‘in our place’. It really felt like that.

Report from City win coming up.

Ha - I thought I was the only madman recording these comms back in the day! I like the fact you did it with your own 'interactive commentary'.

YOu were doing Youtube reaction 'videos' 25 years too soon! :D

Latvian Eagle 20-12-2020 08:27 PM

You can even find a picture of Pablo Rodrigues in a Palace shirt if you search him on Google.

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bubbs11 21-12-2020 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15551523)
Ha - I thought I was the only madman recording these comms back in the day! I like the fact you did it with your own 'interactive commentary'.

YOu were doing Youtube reaction 'videos' 25 years too soon! :D

:D. An early incarnation of the AFTV watch alongs.

bubbs11 21-12-2020 04:30 AM

MAN CITY 0
PALACE 2. Pointon og. Wright

Att: 25,321

Palace: Martyn. Humphrey. Shaw. Gray. Young. Thorn. Salako. Thomas. Bright. Wright. McGoldrick. Subs: Pardew Barber. (unused)

Man C: Coton. Brightwell. Pointon. Reid. Hendry. Redmond. White. Heath. Quinn. Megson. Ward


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Ian Branfoot (Coppell’s no.2) had a column in the Croydon Advertiser and commented on the Denis Law co commentary.

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Bipe 24-12-2020 09:02 AM

So we move on to Boxing Day 1990 and a 2-1 win at home to Sunderland.

Like a typical 18 year old I'd gone out and got absolutely hammered on Christmas Eve, staggering home in the early hours and spending pretty much all of Christmas Day morning throwing up. My mother was not happy, rightly so, and the big day was spent under a fug of recriminations even though I did manage to force down a portion of Christmas lunch to try to make her feel better.

As such I was very pleased to get out of the house on Boxing Day even though it was miserable weather with the rain pouring down. This certainly affected the expected larger crowd for a home Boxing Day fixture and worth nothing even back then that the clowns who compiled the fixtures had no regard for the real world - God knows what time those poor sods up in Sunderland would have needed to set off in order to see their team lose in a monsoon down in south London.

I remember this as a scrappy game in which we struggled to assert our superiority. Sunderland may have scored first? Can't quite recall. Gabbiadini played for them though I think, less than a year before his ill-fated short spell as Ian Wright's replacement. Salako and Bright scored our goals and the three points set us up nicely for another home game four days later, the big one against the leaders Liverpool and our first meeting since THAT semi final.

Latvian Eagle 24-12-2020 09:49 AM

I seem to recall reading that the Sunderland Boxing Day game had been in danger of being Postponed despite the visiting supporters having arrived in London already.

bubbs11 24-12-2020 09:51 AM

PALACE 2. Salako. Bright.
SUNDERLAND 1. Rush

Att: 15,228

PALACE: Martyn. Humphrey. Shaw. Gray. Young. Thorn. Salako. Thomas. Bright. Wright. McGoldrick. Subs: Pardew. Thompson. (Unused)

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In the programme section ‘meet the visitors’, a certain player is pictured.

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ian king 24-12-2020 09:59 AM

I understand (and happy to be corrected) that the reason we played Sunderland at home on Boxing Day was the knock-on effect of Swindon Town, having gained promotion to Division One were then, due to financial irregularities, demoted back to Division Two and Sunderland promoted instead.

The result of the enquiry into Swindon Town came after the fixtures for the 1990-91 had been published and the Football League just gave their fixture list to Sunderland, so we should have been home to Swindon on Boxing Day.

I do not know why it was a 1200 k.o. but it was an incredibly wet and windy day so Ron Noades took pity on the bedraggled Sunderland fans and gave them breakfast as they arrived.

N Herts Eagle 24-12-2020 09:59 AM

The monsoon game which was played in a downpour that even the wax coat failed to cope with.
As for why Sunderland had upset the fixture makers I have no idea. Anyone who made the journey deserved the free food on offer.
Good result in appalling conditions.
Total madness in terms of the fixture and the weather. From there to my Aunts picked them up to stay with my Mum until the next home game.

bubbs11 24-12-2020 10:01 AM

Recall the awful weather. Was stood in the Whitehorse end this game and like everyone else, got thoroughly soaked. Was a very frustrating game and felt like it was going to be one of those days when they took the lead. But, this was a different season to others, and it was our turn to play the ‘top side’ role and snatch victory from the hands of defeat late on. The celebrations were quite wild and just remember feeling a mixture of joy and relief.

Here’s a little blast from the past from the club’s Christmas kids party. Coppell and commentator Brian Moore. Moore, a Gillingham fan, but who was a great friend and very fond of our club, was the special guest and announced Father Christmas’s appearance at the party.

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And so with baited breath we await the following huge fixture: Liverpool at home. Live to the nation on ITV on a Sunday afternoon, it was being built up by the media to being quite a huge top of the table clash, which made me feel uneasy. It only ever ends in tears for us when that happens doesn’t it?


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cantspell 24-12-2020 10:32 AM

Soaked in that Sunderland game and I was in the Arthur - ridiculous trip for Sunderland on Boxing day especially with the early starts for London kick offs

El Aguila 24-12-2020 11:11 AM

I was in the Arthur because they gave Sunderland the Holmesdale. The Holmesdale, of course, was entirely open to the elements. Sunderland fans earned my undying respect that day.

Bipe 24-12-2020 11:29 AM

Well that is not entirely right El Aguila because I was definitely stood on the Holmesdale for this game. I do though remember the home fans being given the option of moving undercover. I have no idea why I declined it - probably still trying to shake off my Christmas Eve excesses and thinking that the equivalent of a two hour cold shower might do the trick.

On seeing the line ups I am reminded that the legendary Gary Bennett played for Sunderland that day. We seemed to be linked with him for years but it never materialised. Great clip online of him sorting out David Speedie, ending with them both getting sent off.

Bipe 24-12-2020 11:35 AM

Also it looks like we had Billy the Fish as the reserve official for this game...disappointing that Shakin' Stevens didn't warrant a place on the bench for us.

El Aguila 24-12-2020 11:35 AM

Really? I must be more of a softy than you. It was the only game all season I watched from the Arthur.

SA Eagle 24-12-2020 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ian king (Post 15555947)
I understand (and happy to be corrected) that the reason we played Sunderland at home on Boxing Day was the knock-on effect of Swindon Town, having gained promotion to Division One were then, due to financial irregularities, demoted back to Division Two and Sunderland promoted instead.

The result of the enquiry into Swindon Town came after the fixtures for the 1990-91 had been published and the Football League just gave their fixture list to Sunderland, so we should have been home to Swindon on Boxing Day.

I do not know why it was a 1200 k.o. but it was an incredibly wet and windy day so Ron Noades took pity on the bedraggled Sunderland fans and gave them breakfast as they arrived.

You're right about the reason why it was Sunderland on boxing day. The reason for the noon kick off is less clear; that was a Metropolitan Police production! So God only knows why they forced that on them.

geoffh 24-12-2020 10:53 PM

[QUOTE=Grim Reaper;15550737]Only one player springs to mind when I think of this game.....Denis Law!

His biased, moaning commentary on Radio 2 (supposedly impartial) is one of the funniest things you can ever listen to as a Palace fan. I have the commentary on cassette and will get round to uploading it on the OMP Soundcloud account at some stage. It is a true delight. With Xmas coming up I might actually have some spare time to do it.

"Palace are cheats"; "Palace are rough"; "Palace are long ball"......and then that glorious moment when Wright jinks through (as Bipe said above) and slotted in from the edge of the area and Law was well and truly shut up. I was sat in my bedroom screaming at the radio flicking the V's at Law.

I absolutely would have loved to have been in that commentary box to see the contorted look on his face as he tried to force the words out and agree that Wright's goal was indeed a moment of class.

Listened to that commentary a lot during 1991!

Truly, truly great moment and a brilliant win.

/QUOTE]

I'm glad you wrote this GR, I too listened to the game and couldn't believe how biased he was. I don't think I have ever heard such one sidedness before or since. I think I wrote to the BBC asking if I could get a copy of that second half commentary on cassette - I'm still waiting!

He seemed to have it in for Steve Coppell big time, but the 2nd goal did render him speechless.

JJ 24-12-2020 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ian king (Post 15555947)
I do not know why it was a 1200 k.o. but it was an incredibly wet and windy day so Ron Noades took pity on the bedraggled Sunderland fans and gave them breakfast as they arrived.

Remember that too. Sunderland wore yellow shirts / blue shorts, I think, not the blue and white it said on the programme. Scrappy game, crap pitch, crap weather, but another win. Don't remember the non-penalty for them, though.

Grim Reaper 25-12-2020 12:41 PM

[QUOTE=geoffh;15557084]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15550737)
Only one player springs to mind when I think of this game.....Denis Law!

His biased, moaning commentary on Radio 2 (supposedly impartial) is one of the funniest things you can ever listen to as a Palace fan. I have the commentary on cassette and will get round to uploading it on the OMP Soundcloud account at some stage. It is a true delight. With Xmas coming up I might actually have some spare time to do it.

"Palace are cheats"; "Palace are rough"; "Palace are long ball"......and then that glorious moment when Wright jinks through (as Bipe said above) and slotted in from the edge of the area and Law was well and truly shut up. I was sat in my bedroom screaming at the radio flicking the V's at Law.

I absolutely would have loved to have been in that commentary box to see the contorted look on his face as he tried to force the words out and agree that Wright's goal was indeed a moment of class.

Listened to that commentary a lot during 1991!

Truly, truly great moment and a brilliant win.

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I'm glad you wrote this GR, I too listened to the game and couldn't believe how biased he was. I don't think I have ever heard such one sidedness before or since. I think I wrote to the BBC asking if I could get a copy of that second half commentary on cassette - I'm still waiting!

He seemed to have it in for Steve Coppell big time, but the 2nd goal did render him speechless.


It's great that I'm not the only one who rememgers the ridiculous commentary. You do start to think maybe I was being a bit too precious and defending my Palace non-stop from jibes at school etc. The fact that others on here remember the commentary the same way I do show it wasn't just me. In fact, it's only commentary I recall that was clearly anti-Palace.

It wasn't long after this that I started going to pretty much every game, so commentaries became an infrequent part of my life and maybe there were some shockers that were missed, but I doubt any will ever match Law's effort on 22 Dec 1990.

Grim Reaper 25-12-2020 12:44 PM

What a Christmas 1990 was. 'Palace Cavalcade' video; Palace calendar; Palace sweatshirt (blue and white, with no red but it was still great despite not being in Palace colours. )

The only disappointment was the shocking 1991 replica shirt. After months of fans complaining about the lack of replica shirts on sale, when they did arrie they were shit. The Bukta logo and the Fly Virgin looked like they were made of fuzzy felt and the shirt itself snagged pretty much every time you brushed against a doorframe, turnstile, bus stop, person! The shirt was so bobbled after a month it looked like it had smallpox!

Real letdown that.

Latvian Eagle 25-12-2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15557094)
Remember that too. Sunderland wore yellow shirts / blue shorts, I think, not the blue and white it said on the programme. Scrappy game, crap pitch, crap weather, but another win. Don't remember the non-penalty for them, though.

Blue, White, Blue was their Away kit, but I guess the referees decided Blue against the Blue on our Shirts was too much.

Latvian Eagle 25-12-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15557539)
What a Christmas 1990 was. 'Palace Cavalcade' video; Palace calendar; Palace sweatshirt (blue and white, with no red but it was still great despite not being in Palace colours. )

The only disappointment was the shocking 1991 replica shirt. After months of fans complaining about the lack of replica shirts on sale, when they did arrie they were shit. The Bukta logo and the Fly Virgin looked like they were made of fuzzy felt and the shirt itself snagged pretty much every time you brushed against a doorframe, turnstile, bus stop, person! The shirt was so bobbled after a month it looked like it had smallpox!

Real letdown that.

I remember my Home shirt had a really flat fuzzy material logo. The Red Away shirt I had was different though, a more hardened, rounded material like usual sponsor logos I guess.

Grim Reaper 25-12-2020 12:50 PM

As for the game, the lack of trains meant it was a non-starter for me. Didn't miss out on the drenching though as I worked my job at a clay pigeon shoot, firing off clays for the shooters of North Kent to smash mid air with their rifles. I couldn't grasp the fact that people were happy to come out, pay good money and get a drenching to shoot at clays. On a sunny day, I totally understood the appeal and social angle but on a day like this, I didn't get it.

But this was the day I understood more about being a fan. Many people would think exactly the same of going to watch a match and get drenched at 12.00 on Boxing Day. For these shooting folks, this was their football. We're all different I guess and we all have our individual thing that we're in to.

Was nice to finally get home to dry and learn that we'd won though. That rounded off a decent Christmas overall, with the Liverpool game looming on the horizon.

Nth Kent Eagle 25-12-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ian king (Post 15555947)
I understand (and happy to be corrected) that the reason we played Sunderland at home on Boxing Day was the knock-on effect of Swindon Town, having gained promotion to Division One were then, due to financial irregularities, demoted back to Division Two and Sunderland promoted instead.

The result of the enquiry into Swindon Town came after the fixtures for the 1990-91 had been published and the Football League just gave their fixture list to Sunderland, so we should have been home to Swindon on Boxing Day.

I do not know why it was a 1200 k.o. but it was an incredibly wet and windy day so Ron Noades took pity on the bedraggled Sunderland fans and gave them breakfast as they arrived.

That was my recollection. They were originally not only denied promotion but relegated to Division 3 although the latter was rescinded. I only recall because I was working largely out of Swindon at the time.

bestperch 25-12-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ian king (Post 15555947)
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I do not know why it was a 1200 k.o. but it was an incredibly wet and windy day so Ron Noades took pity on the bedraggled Sunderland fans and gave them breakfast as they arrived.

Uncle Ron's kind gesture worked out well for us a few years later. We had a Sunday afternoon game at Roker Park. It was tipping down with rain and Sunderland allowed the couple of hundred Palace to transfer from the open terrace into the covered stand.

Maiden Eagle 26-12-2020 08:10 AM

As I said before, on this thread, I probably only went to about half the games, that season, for various reasons, but funnily enough this was one of my favourites.
On the face of it, a narrow win against a struggling team was not that much to shout about, but it was the way the team went about it.
Yes, the weather was awful, I got up and even wondered if the game would be on and actually sat in the Arthur instead of my normal place on the Whitehorse terrace, because I didn't want to get soaked.
Yep, the first half was a bit of a non event, but in the second half I remember Palace just battering Sunderland. They broke away to score a good goal TBF, but Palace continued to batter them, instead of letting their heads drop.
We equalised in the end, and yes I remember the penalty incident, which we got away with but then Brighty got the winner, with a typical Palace goal - great cross from Salako, good header.
I just felt after this 'This team has such great belief and never know when they're beaten:)


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