Forgot to mention, i was on the phone to O2 earlier about my lost/stolen phone and he mentioned that by September 3rd (my upgrade date) the 3G IPhone in white will be available, which should be pretty damn sweet!

Be very careful a lot of the older accessories don't work on iPhone 3G. They have cripled the connector so although its physically the same it only accepts the USB 2.0 standard for charging at not the old Firewire design. Net effect is that although the thing will dock and you'll get sound it won't charge....bastards!

And here's why...

From a post on the apple support site:

..The Charging System…

Most chargers on the market today are designed to charge via USB or via 12v through the firewire portion of apple dock pins (pins 19,20 12V DC and pins 29,30 Ground). This was an easy choice for the manufacturers because your car is already a 12V based system that kept the charging solutions inexpensive to make. If they already had 12V available, why step it down to 5V to charge via the USB pins? Makes sense right? As you know, Apple has eliminated 12V charging from their newer units but has left a sensing circuit on the firewire pins just to tell you that your old device doesnt work anymore. Your existing chargers will not harm the Iphone, but they are certainly useless.

The new way to charge is through the USB pins on the Apple dock connector ( pin 16 USB GND, pin 23 USB Power 5 VDC, pin 25 USB Data negative, pin 27 USB Data positive ). BUT, you cannot just apply 5V to pin 23 and ground to pin 16. The Iphone is also sensing voltage on USB Data positive (approx 1.8v) and USB Data negative (approx 2.5V).

…The Audio System…

If you had an older gen Ipod like an Ipod Video then the audio outputs were real easy, it always put line out audio through the audio pins in the dock connector. The Iphone is a different animal. The audio and serial pins are still the same on the dock connector, BUUT, there is an accessroy pin (pin 21) that senses the type of accessory that is plugged in. If the correct resistance is NOT on pin 21 then the Iphone completely ignores the connection and does not redirect the audio to the dock. Thus most of your old Ipod Interfaces are now obsolete..

Everything that we've got in the house, AV adapter, Kensington Speaker Dock and car charger no longer works...

That sucks

So who has the 3G who had the 1st gen and how do they compare?

I've got neither as we speak. :(

sorry :(

I may be wrong Dave but I think that quote refers to the original iPhone and the incompatability between chargers for iPhones and other Apple products such as iPod etc.

AFAIK if a charger worked for a first gen iPhone then it will work with a 3G version.*


*Disclaimer. This information came from an Apple employee so it could well be complete bollox but I pass it on in good faith.

Hmm - I have had someone else tell me the I-Grove won't work with the 3G.

Hopefully I will get a V2 soon and can test in work

Just recieved my iPhone :)

Question though, I have put my sim card in which has all my numbers on it and the iPhone is saying I have no contacts :confused::(

Settings > Contacts > Import SIM Contacts.

:love: :love: :love: :love:

Where'd you get it from Godders?

A venerable and kind chap who is upgrading to a 3G version of said phone.

Yep, complete bollocks :D

The 3G iPhone is the first one to have the 12V Firewire rail disabled. Most car chargers will not work as its much cheaper (easier) to do a 12V to 12V charge so unless you are lucky (or bought official products) it won't work. As I said earlier all the things I have for my families iProducts, Nano 1, 2, iPod classic IV do not work on the iPhone 3G. There are rumours of convertors but they will lose the aesthetics if they do happen.

Apparently Apple have been telling suppliers for three years that they were going to do this but this is the first product they have.

http://shop.ipodworld.co.uk/iPodWorl...ookie%5Ftest=1

Near the bottom :

Please note: the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G will work with this speaker when your iPhone is used in flight mode only.

Potentially won't charge either but you'll have to test that one out as its a mixed bag compatibility wise.

Thank God I put that disclaimer in then. :D

WooHoo just got an email from O2, my new 16 Gb iPhone has been dispatched and will be with me tomorrow.

No more withdrawl symptoms. :D

02 say limited stock available in some stores - not richmond tho

how can i connect it to my wifi?

it's security enabled so i'll have to add it to the access list on the router but to do that i need the MAC address of the iPhone


:confused:

Goto Settings>General>About and its listed there

fanks dave

ok, now that's sorted here's my next question:

why does SMS have a little "1" next to it but when i check there are no messages?

and

how do i get on safari as there is no shortcut?

dunno

Huh

should have icons

Phome - mail - Safari - Ipod

along the bottom

there is no safari icon :(

could i download one or something?

sounds like you are running some type of jail break theme.

Like Apple my support now stops

jailbreak?

ok cheers anyway :(

What network are you ising it on godders?

02

Using an official iphone contract, or not?
Do you have the App Store on your iphone?

i rang earlier to change my contract to an iPhone one, should come into effect tomorrow? surely that's not related?

yeah i have the app store, i can get onto the internet for weather, stocks, maps, app store but no method of web browsing :(

Settings > General > Reset > Reset Home Screen Layout

Does that do anything?

resets the icons locations but doesn't provide safari

At a guess, Godstone, if you haven't got the iPhone contract then you haven't got the unlimited web access yet. Re-synching after the contract is in place will probably find the Safari icon and app downloaded.

Only a theory but seems logical.

Nope, that won't be why.

Do a restore of the Iphone mate!

the whole thing?

On what basis do you make that statement KingsleY?

"restore all settings" or "erase all content and settings"?

Because your contract doesn't dictate what software you have on the phone, all the software is there by default.
Even if you didnt have a data bundle, you could still use the net without a bundle.

Godders, right click on your iphone in itunes, and hit restore

Thanks for clearing that up, I freely admit I know bugger all other than as a user! :)

Godders did the restore sort it?

restored and it seems fine. cheers guys :)

In fact I'm posting from it now

Sorry if I sounded a bit blunt and rude though, didn't mean to, but reading it back I did sound a bit rude!


And Godders...don't you mean cheers Alex....Cheers 'Amazing' Alex...Yes? :D

Cheers galex





*short for gay alex ;) ;)

:lux:

Just got my 3G version and, much to my amazement, a strong 3G signal in my house.

result

nice one -try it on the move at report back

How did you transfer accounts etc?

I connected it to iTunes and it asked if I wanted to restore my settings. I said yes and it took about ten minutes to transfer all my old settings, contacts,applications, music and everything else basically. Was very impressed TBH.

Will try the 3G service shortly and let you know.

But - the sim will have the wrong number?

Anyone with a 3G iphone might want to take a look on ebay! They are going for about £650

But that would defeat the purpose of them buying the iPhone!

But it would probably clear some debts! Which by the sounds of it you are going to have fairly soon!

Yeh....But you'd be stuck with the contract still!

Yeah....stupid TV urges..hmppph...
See PM!

No, they tell you to just put your existing sim into the new handset.

It was simplicity itself, honest.

OK Cool - never taken my sim out yet

They provide a special tool to facilitate the sim card removal but a paperclip works just as well. :D

The 2.0 Unlock for the original Iphone is nearing closer.
Is it sad that i've even downloaded Mac for my PC just so I can unlock my iphone on 2.0?!

Ok just got back from trying it out over 3G and its okish. It actually didn't seem that much faster - certainly not the quoted 2.4x quicker - a bit of a disappointment to be honest.

I then tried it where there was only a weak 3G signal and this threw up an issue. Eventually it lost the 3G signal and it certainly isn't the seamless transfer promised. The iPhone reports back that it has lost the server and you then have to reload the page via Edge. If it then senses a 3G signal it tries that, finds that the signal is insufficient and so once agiain tells you that it has lost the server, so you have to re-load the page via Edge. I had to move to a different location before it would decide which service to use.

Overall, I came back wondering why I bothered to upgrade as improved performance was my main aim and I didn't really seem to get it.

Another point, it eats the battery. :(

just got my first iPhone and am loving it so far. Been quite lucky with my 3g signal so far. Just need to get used to the typing

I tried to get on the internet whilst out last night in Croydon, just said that it couldn't connect to wifi :confused:

It does have GPRS internet surely?

Yes it does

and it should just work by pressing safari no?

correct - you might want to stop wifi and check

make sure you have an E at the top of the phone - where the wireless symbol is normally

yep. you sure you had a signal?

That's only if u have an edge signal. A square box with a dot in it denotes GPRS and it should work on that too.

what is EDGE? is it software?

Just got back from lunch which gave me the chance to give it another go from a different location. Similar problem worse outcome. Limited 3G signal plus an encrypted wifi signal in the hotel plus of course GPRS. It failed completely to connect via any of them.

Beginning to get a tad pissed off to be honest. Bloke with 2G version was able to connect via Edge with no problem. :(

Also noticed that a fully charged phone when I left at 12ish is now down to about a quarter charge for one phone call and a dozen failed attempts to log onto the web.

I want my 2G back. :eek:

Faster GPRS

You have officially got me a little worried

Not my intention Dave. I wanted to love and cherish this puppy just like my last one but it aint happening. :(

swap if you like?


feeling a little guilty

Anyone want a spare mains charger and a car charger for the 2G seeing as I can confirm the previous poster who stated they don't work with the 3G version? :grrr:

The 3G version even tells you that it wont charge when you plug it in.

Two issues here. The o2 3G coverage is pump, as I had warned.

Secondly, the 3G iPhone doesn't look a great jump in technology and the charging issue is a little despicable. Add in that the 2.0 software looks battery hungry and so far, it seems prudent to stick with Mk 1 and miss a generation.

The 2.0 software is hammering my Mk 1 and I'm not even using any apps. I've gone from a charge every 3-4 days to a mandatory charge every night. WTF?

disable push

Done. If that works, you can touch me inappropriately. :)

I take it you disable wireless when on the move too?

push off but wireless enabled. I use the phone for about an hour of call time a day and some surf on and off all day and have to charge once a day max, so far no more than that. Yours sounds poor blind. Not noticed any problem connecting so far seemingly switching between wifi, GPRS, edge and 3g with no prob. Have had to force a conection only once in the first week.

Has crashed twice so far and the legacy peripherals thing sucks big time. Very pleased so far but I do come from a wm6 device so it's much better if the 3g from 2g thing makes it worse then I'd be pissed too.

Oh the irony. After the last post I experienced the same thing that happened to blind. Went into settings and carrier selection and found that it was continuously searching foe a carrier. Whilst it searched it would not get a data signal so I experimented a bit. I found 2 ways of getting the signal back. One to switch the phone off and them on again and the other to wait until the searching had completed fully (took about 2 mind). For some reason when searching the data connection failed. Don't know if that will help anyone but it worked for me. As I said before with a windoze phone you are used to and therefore more accepting of this crap. Generally I find if I leave the phone alone and let it do it's thing it is ok.

editing text is crap, hence all the mistakes! I also find the delete key jams on a lot.

read a report today that if you turn 3g off battery performance is comparable to the 2g phone, might help some here in poor 3g areas

yet to see this symbol on the phone. checked all the settings and they seem fine. is it VPN?

Thats a point... What the hell is the VPN function on the iPhone for?! (I know what a VPN is...but I can't think of what the iPhone would use it for....other than possibly e-mail

Finally have 2.0 firmware unlocked..
Some very cool Apps!

how do you set this up?

It just works dude

but i don't know what to say? skip? next?

You have to say

'Iphone pause'

'Iphone play'

etc into the microphone, very clearly

The idea of you doing that is really rather sweet.

I think I want one.

Cheap as possible mind but think the 1st gen will be decent enough for me.

Trouble is Ebay looks full of overly inflated 3G ones so I am at a loss.

:o

;)

Do it, they are loverly

do you know actually how to do it?

squeeze once to pause, twice for next track

Sounds like I might be better off getting a 2G one with version 2.0 applications installed and unlocked then.

like this bad boy http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPhone-8...3286.m14.l1318

I love my 3G iPhone.

How you finding coverage Andy?

Pretty good ta mate. Up near my office (Baker Street) the 3G coverage is great and very fast. At home (Forest Hill) it's a tiny bit more flakey depending on where in my house I am, but it switches between 3G and Edge with no problems. I've been using it on the train down from London Bridge a fair amount with a decent 3G reception down to FH and the reception is good around most of the FH area from what I've seen so far. I tried it down in Hove as well and the coverage was good there too. Maybe I've just been lucky though. Am loving being able to DL apps over the air.