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And I know I'm going backwards, but I recall Dennis Law's unbiased comments on that commentary, for the Man C game:rolleyes:
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Does anyone know why Gary Lineker was the co-commentator for the Liverpool game? He would have still been playing at that point.
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Yes, Lineker was clearly beginning his media path for when he retired. I think it was also an appropriate guest as he played for one of the other clubs at the top and also a perfect person to run a critical eye over his new England team mate and fellow forward, Ian Wright.
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Week ending 29 December was characteristically quiet on the charts front as people hunkered down for the big day and aftermath. There was only one new entry into the top ten and it was a curiosity:
The Grease Megamix by John Travolta and Olivia Newton John - I have no idea why this splicing together of hits from the musical film was even done, let alone becoming popular enough to spend five weeks in the top 10, peaking at number three. Shades of 'Stars on 45' from a decade earlier, which spawned a short lived slew of imitators such as 'Hooked on Classics' and Beach Boy Gold. This was the week in which Cliff Richard reached the summit with Saviour's Day; as we have already definitively established on this thread, the track was absolutely NOT the Christmas number 1 as some of the sales would have taken place in the days after Christmas Day and no-one on 25 December knew it would be top of the charts four days later. |
And so we come to 29 December 1990 and the home game against Liverpool. There was much anticipation around this one, a massive game against the league leaders who had dominated English football for the past 15 years and a rare appearance on live TV, ITV choosing to broadcast the match in full.
It was our first meeting since the famous FA Cup semi final back in April but this time it felt different. Rather than approaching the match with a puncher's chance of causing a major upset, it seemed as though this time we were coming into it as near equals. Win the game and we were close to the summit of the league with over half the season gone - and why should we not feel confident going into it? After all we had only lost twice in the league all season up to this point, and we had picked up six wins from our last seven league matches. And so it proved to be, a narrow and hard fought 1-0 win thanks to Mark Bright's goal in front of a big and raucous Selhurst Park crowd. I still remember the goal very clearly, Ian Wright wriggling away from defenders out near the right corner flag in front of the Old Stand and stabbing in a low cross which Bright deflected past the startled Grobelaar at the near post. Liverpool applied a lot of pressure as the game wore on - I remember a Jan Molby free kick in a dangerous position just outside the area which Nigel Martyn dealt with - but we held on for a famous win. I think this is also the game where the TV cameras captured the Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish stumbling next to the dugout, much to the delight of the Palace fans. He had a habit of standing to the side of dugouts with one arm resting on the roof, prompting repeated chants of 'sit down Dalglish'. On this occasion he was a little too casual and took a bit of a tumble, to be fair he accepted the ribbing in good spirit. Did this game represent the pinnacle of this greatest of all Palace sides? To me, possibly. When Bubbs puts up the league table we will see how close to the summit we were at this point. Certainly our league form tailed off somewhat in the second half of the season. And to put our season up to this point into context, we had accrued 42 points from 20 games. When Leicester won the league a few years back they were two points behind us on 40 after the same number of games played. Unfortunately for us we were contending with two sides who were pretty relentless when it came to accumulating points, eventual champions Arsenal only losing one game all season. So we never got to experience life at the top of the table. But really happy memories of this game, for me it would be in the all time top 10 Palace games because of the magnitude of the fixture and the measure of how far this side had come. |
I remember watching this game on the little tele in the dining room. Absolute delight we beat Liverpool given at the time they were very much the team to beat, also the fact we scored essentially by nutmegging the clown in goal. :lux:
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There was a cartoon in Palace News of an eagle in Palace shirt nutmegging the Liverpool keeper some time before this game. After Brightys winner was a nutmeg, understandably the cartoon was wheeled out again and credited wuth predicting the winning goal!
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One of the few dates we've won on in three consecutive years, which is extra impressive given it's not a holiday like Dec 26th or Jan 1st Fri 30 Dec 1988 - Impressive 3-2 away win at Oldham on their plastic pitch, after which Oldham went years without losing a home game Sat 30 Dec 1989 - Home to Norwich, 1-0 win Sun 30 Dec 1990 - This high profile win v Liverpool. |
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The papers the next day were complimentary and commented that not only had we opened the title race up again by giving Arsenal a helping hand but were now a genuine contender in our own right. Norwich had had a sustained title bid just two years earlier, so it felt like we had a genuine chance. Would love to know the betting odds at this stage. I imagine they're the lowest odds in our history given the stage of the season (as opposed to us being top after just 8 games in 1979) |
Good stat and sorry, no idea why I typed 29 December as the date for this game!
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You didn't need to be an expert lip-reader to catch Grobbelaars's opinion of Brighty's backheel on the telly :D
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As has been said, this game is up there as one of the all time great Palace moments. We win a game against the champions and league leaders on live national TV that puts us in striking distance of winning the title ourselves. Unbelievable.
Just remember it being a really professional and hard fought victory. Wright was at his sublime best and the whole team just looked as strong as ever. Thought we could’ve had a penalty at the end when Hysen brought Wright down, but think the ref bottled it as he knew he’d have to send off the Liverpool defender if he gave it. It was only when I got home and watched the recording that I realised that Coppell had signed a contract. Not a new contract but ‘a contract’! The TV cameras actually filmed the moment and ITV showed it at the beginning of the programme. I believe Coppell and Noades had a gentleman’s agreement beforehand and Coppell never had a contract. Sounds almost unbelievable in today’s times, but think with our success, they both felt that it was best to get one sorted to stop the distraction of the speculation of Coppell moving on elsewhere. I was in the Whitehorse for this match and remember Dalglish falling over much to the delight of everyone. My memory of it was that there was the physios bag just in front of the dugout, and Dalglish, after issuing a few instructions to his team, stepped backwards towards his bench and promptly went arse over tit. My brother had always had an undying hatred of the Liverpool man and I think this delighted him as much as Bright’s winner. What a time to be a Palace fan. Such a shame that the season we did hit our peak there were two formidable top clubs in top form too, otherwise.... Leeds got lucky the following season as inexplicably Arsenal and Liverpool dipped dramatically for various reasons and Man U had not yet reached the peak of their powers. If the gods had smiled favourably upon us, this season really could’ve finished with the most glorious of endings: Crystal Palace - champions of England. |
My granddad had been going to the Palace for forty odd years at this point. I think this was the first league game ever on the telly. Anyway we were up in London visiting and the game was able to start on the telly. Grandad promptly turned the telly off. It was time for dinner.
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Good to see the old 'Palace in wonderland' photo caption there, along with a more obscure 'Seizer's Palace'.
So after having played 19 (Liverpool) and 20 (Arsenal, Palace), the top three have lost a combined four games between them. Contrast to this season when the top three are already up to 10 combined losses after just 15 / 16 games. You can see from the table extract that we had scored fewer goals than the teams around us, this proved to be our weakness as the season wore on. The rest of the team did not weigh in with enough goals to back up Wright and Bright, and the latter had a real barren patch in the final third of the season. Salako and Thomas were our joint third highest league scorers with six each, Gray got only four. The notoriously shot shy Eddie McGoldrick didn't notch in the league all season. |
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Sorry guys, only just caught up with this thread. I had the good fortune to be sitting just a few seats away from the self-styled Law-man (formerly a great player, of course) at this game. And, in addition to being struck by how closely he resembled drag queen Danny La Rue at that time, I can confirm that his face after the game was indeed a picture! |
I was in the Whitehorse, the scoreboard/clock behind me. I know for a fact I never looked at the Selhurst clock more during any game than I did during the second half. Was just so desperate for us to win this one. Magical when we actually went and did it!
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As always the games came thick and fast over the festive period. In a strange echo of this current season's fixture list, in 1990/91 we followed up our home game against Liverpool with a trip to Aston Villa on New Year's Day. The difference being of course that we travelled in expectation on the back of a fine 1-0 win rather than a 0-7 tonking.
Villa had enjoyed a hugely successful 1989/90 season, pushing the eventual champions Liverpool hard until late on. Their undoing seemed to have been Graham Taylor's weakness for a giant target man, the March deadline day signing of Tony Cascarino from Millwall really not working out for him. In fact we started their late season rot with a 1-0 in what I think might have been Cascarino's debut. Villa had lost Graham Taylor to the England job over the summer of 1990 and had decided to 'go foreign' with the appointment of Dr Josef Venglos. If memory serves Villa were breaking new ground as the first top flight club to appoint a non British Isles manager. Venglos had arrived on the back of a strong world cup campaign with Czechoslovakia, who he had taken to the quarter finals in Italy. On paper Villa still had a squad brimming with top flight quality and experience, featuring the likes of David Platt, Tony Daley, Gordon Cowans and Derek Mountfield. But things didn't work out well for them and they really struggled in the league, eventually finishing not far above the relegation zone. Which makes it all the more disappointing to report that we surrendered to a meek 2-0 defeat. In partial mitigation Villa had come into the game in probably their best form of the season, just the one defeat in their previous five including creditable draws against both Arsenal and Man Utd. But after this win they would go on to win just once in their next six - against rock bottom Derby. So this was definitely an opportunity missed for us and a performance to forget really, we were well beaten. After the highs of the win against Liverpool which seemed to have put us right in the thick of the title race, an immediate reality check. The next game would be in the third round of the FA Cup at home to Nottingham Forest, a chance to forget about this defeat and perhaps dream of another trip to Wembley. |
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Jan 6th FA Cup 0-0 (Home) Jan 9th FA Cup Replay. (Away). Called off 1 hour before kick-off - rain Jan 16th FA Cup Replay (Away). Called off - frozen pitch. Jan 21st FA Cup Replay 2-2 (Away). Salako's late goal! Jan 24th FA Cup Second Replay (Away). Called off - fog Jan 28th FA Cup Second Replay 0-3 (Away) Feb 2nd League 1-0 (Away) Research produces conflicting information for the dates of the replays that actually took place. |
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For some reason me and my brother decided to get tickets in the away seated area, which was situated down the side detached from most of the other Palace fans. Not something we ever did. At least we suffered in relative comfort. A miserable game and classic after the Lord Mayor’s show stuff. The game came just too soon after such a classic victory against Liverpool. Despite Villa’s poor form they seemed to just have us in their pocket all afternoon.
Sad return to a venue which housed our most famous and delirious moment just 8 months before. Also added to the match report is Coppell defending our honour again. As I mentioned earlier, there was a narrative starting to be created by the media and jealous top clubs that we were nothing but thugs. This was fight we were never going to win. |
Platt had scored two against us there the previous season - when they came from behind (a trial run for Pardew scoring at Villa Park) to beat us 2-1.
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Second year on the trot we started with a loss on New Year's Day. Not quite as harrowing at the 4-1 at Highbury in 1990 but this was annoying.
My recollection is hearing/reading that McGrath had Ian Wright in his pocket in this game, something he managed to do at Selhurst in April. Pretty sure he was the only defender all season who could say that (Arsenal players might also have a claim on this, to be fair). |
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The season before i went to quite a few away games as i was a student oop north. Mostly defeats but the best one was Man City away — i’d converted the flat mates ( leeds fan ) aussie girlfriend to Palace. She nagged him all morning so he ended up driving us to Manchester to the match. Worst game of all time, lost 3-0, Shaw got sent off. On the way back from the ground it pissed down so we were completely soaked only to find that his car had been nicked. Walked to Piccadilly station where we waited two hours for a train which then broke down and we eventually got in at three in the morning. He didn’t even want to go!
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Another thing i remember from that atrocious day at Maine Road - on the way back at Piccadilly station in the rain we saw a married couple of train spotters hanging around taking train numbers. They had their kids with them, about 5 years old. Anyway they were bored and playing up which passed the dad off whilst he was spotting these trains. In the end he turned round and shouted “behave will you - we’re doing all this for you!”.
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So let's see what delights 1991 had in store for us music fans...the chart for week ending 5 January had just the one new entry in the top ten, as sales in the post-Christmas period remained quiet.
Bring Your Daughter...To The Slaughter by Iron Maiden - The metallers took full advantage of the traditionally low January sales volumes to crash straight in at number 1 with this standard fayre, helped along by a deliberately provocative title. It hung on to the top slot for two weeks. The rest of January looks somewhat more diverse and interesting on the music front, so hang on in there. |
Wtf was that song about?
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I cannot remember the verses of that song whatsoever.....but everyone knew the chorus!
Was still rare for songs to go straight to number one at this stage, so it created a bit of a stir, as did the provocative title |
Can't remember how many times we were on the road to Nottingham only to find the game was called off. Didn't it happen again a couple of seasons later?
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We played Forest in the Rumbelows Cup the following season (QF) and there was a replay. Can't remember if postponements were involved though.
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So to recap, the first game in the saga took place on Sunday 6 January at home to Forest in the third round of the FA Cup. I think this was shown live on TV? - the selection I'm sure based on Forest's well deserved reputation as cup specialists and our unexpected run to the final the previous year. If so then it turned out to be a duff decision as the game was a 0-0 borefest with very little in the way of clear cut chances.
For me the draw had invoked memories of our 1-0 win against Forest in the snow, third round 1987 in that beautiful Hummel kit. Wonderful picture online somewhare of Andy Gray in action in that game. Alan Irvine had scored our goal in a match which some of the Forest players didn't really seem up for. This time around they put in a more gritty performance and were able to keep Wright and Bright at bay. So a frustrating result although back in those days I don't recall too many people bemoaning the 'distraction' of a replay in the cup. It was accepted that additional fixtures were part and parcel of a campaign where the focus was as much on the cups as the league, particularly for the most successful clubs such as Liverpool, Arsenal and Forest who would tend to go deep in all competitions. There was no question of fielding a weakened team in the FA Cup, the sheer notion would have been laughed out of court. As already detailed the replay would have originally been slated to take place only a few days after the first match (no police restrictions in those days) but the weather intervened. |
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This game was shown live on the BBC on the Sunday but unfortunately was a rather drab affair. Des Walker was at the peak of his powers at that time and it was so difficult to break that Forest side. Certainly wasn’t a recording I kept once I got home.
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Ironically one of the only times the crashed and burned around that time was the infamous 1990 third round game against Man United, when Mark Robins allegedly saved Ferguson's job with a late winner. We all know how that turned out. |
Tenants Charlton also had a home draw in the Cup against Everton that was played on Saturday 5th. Charlton lost 1-2 (scorer Alex Dyer).
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I went to the Forest game and to West Ham v Aldershot the day before with a mate of mine. There were only two 0-0s in the entire fixture list that weekend and we saw them both.
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There were two new entries into the top ten, week ending 12 January 1991:
Crazy by Seal - Seal had first come to prominence as the uncredited vocalist on Adamski's summer 1990 smash hit Killer. He fancied a piece of that action and embarked on a solo career with this offering. It was certainly a big hit, getting as high as number two, but like pretty much all of Seal's output it was pretty boring. Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now) by C&C Music Factory featuring Freedom Williams - This invokes strong memories of my younger days, a nightclub staple of the era. Still good fun to listen to. |
The Forest Cup Run.....it was a long running saga. Which was really only highlighted by the Salako goal.
However I did learn the route to the ground. I found the fish snd chip shop opposite Trent Bridge Cricket Ground. Cheap with a decent mug of tea. The best place to park. Fog Ice youname it one game I got there before i learnt it was off. All of that should mean one of those that fades in the memory and gets forgotten. However I had the privilege of bumping into Bobby Moore who was working for Capital Radio. Spent a little while chatting a great character who was wearing the leather coat given to him by Big Mal. As a kid 1966 was surreal to actually meet and chat to the captain years latter is one that lives in the memory. Horrrible set of games and journeys but for the moment again I would be more than happy to repeat them. |
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It's easy to forget this was a great Forest side in its own right. Didn't quite achieve what the 77-80 side managed but that relentless run in the Cups was pretty impressive
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As for this 0-0, it was a disappointing affair. Think Wright had one chance that rolled just wide of the oncoming keeper and I remember very little else of this one.
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This Forest side were great to watch and unstoppable on their day. It's kind of gone down as fact that Cloughie was just not that good without Peter Taylor, but his Forest teams of the late 80's and very early 90's were always attractive to watch and hard to beat. It's a shame they didn't win the FA Cup this very season. Two years running, the FA Cup forgot about its romantic tradition and handed the cup to the wrong teams.
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I know it has already been mentioned but used to hate Forest away. Always invariably a thumping conceding 4 or 5.
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There were a few businesses which failed a divorce. Then he ended up on Capital he and Pearce were as much part of this era for many fans as Wright and Bright. Pearce commentary complimented by the quieter approach of Moore. He had a long battle with cancer 1964 testicular cancer. Soon after this meeting he was in hospital with Colon Cancer. A couple of years latter the final lost battle in his early 50s. He was a big friend of Mal dating back to his West Ham days and if we had survived that first season there were rumours that we were interested. He Best Marsh ended up at Fulham. Mal never played in the top division in his career the closest he came at West Ham was due to an injury crisis in his final season the young Moore was chosen instead. With the Premier League the change in coverage from the local radio to TV I imagine his career could well of taken a different turn had he survived. |
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Correct me if i'm wrong but our cup record around this time was pretty good as well -
Simod Cup Semi Final 89 FA Cup Final 90 ZDS Cup Winners 91 League Cup Quarter Final 92 League Cup Semi Final 93 FA Cup Semi Final 95 League Cup Semi Final 95 Shame we couldn't win any of those Semi-Finals looking back :( |
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Definitely not cup specialists though, as we never won the FA cup!
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Out of the era but the Cardiff semi final was a blow. I had this feeling we might have beaten Liverpool in the final. They weren't all that. Maybe a pipe dream. Who knows...
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I think really, Forest we're just a very big team at the time. The Cups were more important then, and they regularly went a long way in them, as well as finishing high up in the League most seasons. But the 'Cough has never won the FA Cup' thing was a big thing. (Whereas these days, if Klopp keeps winning the League and doing well in Europe, no-one will really care if he never wins the FA Cup) |
Absolutely, and it seemed to become more of an obsession for old Cloughie himself the more the media banged on about it year after year.
Forest's decline was alarmingly rapid and permanent when you think about it - relegation in 1993 and apart from a couple of brief sorties back into the top flight later in the 1990s they have stayed below the waterline ever since. So nearly 30 years now since they were a real footballing force, after over a decade of dining at or very close to the top table. |
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I wish the cup would mean more to us these days..
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Just counting down the days to when Bipe announces Hippychick by Soho in the Top Ten Can't recall the exact week but it was early 91. Makes it more fun if I don't Google it and wait for it on here!
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1991: Liverpool, A Villa, Forest, Sheff U 2021: Liverpool, A Villa, Leicester, Sheff U Seeing as Forest are not in the league we get their closest midlands rivals instead. |
Wednesday 9th January.
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I have just looked up the week in which 'Hippychick' hit the charts, was an interesting week overall top ten wise so I look forward to it. I have memories of dancing around to that in Pal's I think it was, bottle of Sol in hand. |
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On 12 January 1990 we travelled up to Bramall Lane and atoned for the defeat against Villa with a narrow 1-0 win, Mark Bright scoring the only goal. This was perhaps a better result than might appear at first glance - although still rock bottom at this stage, the Blades had won three of their previous four games over the festive period and would shortly embark on a ridiculous run of nine wins and a draw in ten games to pull well clear of relegation trouble and into mid-table safety. As I said on this thread much earlier on in the season, possibly the greatest escape act of all time given how desperate things had looked for them just before Christmas.
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