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N Herts Eagle 05-02-2021 04:25 PM

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More in line with your great videos....

https://images.app.goo.gl/UXtDGg6vNEqpRRLu9

Latvian Eagle 05-02-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15633618)
Would have to go 3-4-3 there I think, Gray and Sansom flanking GT in the back three!

The 'great snow' of February 1991 is still a vivid memory. I inadvertently made myself unpopular at work by turning up only to find the building virtually empty. I was told to turn around and go home. However, my entry was recorded via the swipe-in card and as such everyone in my team had to book a day's leave rather than in be treated as a freebie 'snow day' - apparently the convention if the whole team was unable to get in to the office due to the inclement weather. No-one had bothered to tell me but I got some stick about it. Remnants of the snow were still around the side of the pitch when we did eventually play again on 16 February.

As for Wright's England debut, as others have said a massive event for Palace fans. We should remember that he was 27 by this time so no spring chicken, and it was hard to see how he would break in to become an England regular, especially with a certain Alan Shearer starting to make headlines at Southampton. He needed to start his England career with a bang, much as Lineker had done on his debut, but it never really happened for him. But what a feeling for Wright himself and for those close to him at the club including Coppell of course and his partner in crime Mark Bright.

Yes an absolutely dire 0-0 at Home against QPR followed, two stark memories stick in my mind from that game, the snow seemingly piled up about 4 foot high around the whole perimeter of the pitch, and QPR's what seemed at the time rather vivid Bright Orange kit.

Looking at the picture below, in this day and age you would almost say that wearing their White and Blue Hoops would have probably been better in that instance.

https://i1.wp.com/www.farpostheader....91a3.jpg?w=648

Mark Gardiner 06-02-2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15633601)
I mocked this up a while back of all our players that have received England caps while Palace players.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/323A59AF...D416E4C.md.jpg

Great attacking options but a little light on defenders. What does that say about us as a club?

stevek 06-02-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Gardiner (Post 15634870)
Great attacking options but a little light on defenders. What does that say about us as a club?

Partly that most of our international central defenders were Welsh (Ian Evans, Jeff Hopkins, Eric Young, Chris Coleman, Kit Symons, Danny Gabbidon - have I forgotten anyone?)

Grim Reaper 06-02-2021 10:36 AM

I almost don't count Andros in this, given he was England-ready when he joined us, which leads to the interesting stat that the other ten were all made into England players by Palace.

If you focus on the ten, it also means that HALF of all the England players in the history of Palace used to be in the same starting XI. What a team the 1990-91 one was!

Mark Gardiner 06-02-2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15634906)
Partly that most of our international central defenders were Welsh (Ian Evans, Jeff Hopkins, Eric Young, Chris Coleman, Kit Symons, Danny Gabbidon - have I forgotten anyone?)

Not a central defender, but Paul Bodin.

Olympian2 06-02-2021 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15634906)
Partly that most of our international central defenders were Welsh (Ian Evans, Jeff Hopkins, Eric Young, Chris Coleman, Kit Symons, Danny Gabbidon - have I forgotten anyone?)

Did Terry Boyle win a full cap while he was at Palace?

bubbs11 06-02-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 15635016)
Did Terry Boyle win a full cap while he was at Palace?

Yes, i'm almost certain he was.

bubbs11 06-02-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15634911)
I almost don't count Andros in this, given he was England-ready when he joined us, which leads to the interesting stat that the other ten were all made into England players by Palace.

If you focus on the ten, it also means that HALF of all the England players in the history of Palace used to be in the same starting XI. What a team the 1990-91 one was!

I always think it's amazing we started the 87/88 Division 2 campaign with four future England players: Gray, Wright, Salako and Thomas. Not many, if any, second tier sides can boast that.

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 11:32 AM

Who's bottom right in that England line-up? I've gone completely blank.

Olympian2 08-02-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15638061)
Who's bottom right in that England line-up? I've gone completely blank.

That's Johnny Byrne, no?

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 11:37 AM

Yes, of course. That explains why I didn't recognize him.

stevek 08-02-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15635031)
I always think it's amazing we started the 87/88 Division 2 campaign with four future England players: Gray, Wright, Salako and Thomas. Not many, if any, second tier sides can boast that.

This got me thinking, and googling, and the Manchester City squad of that season also contained four future England internationals (Andy Hinchciffe, Paul Warhurst, Paul Stewart and David White).

Funny that two of them later played for us!

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 12:12 PM

... although Warhurst never played for them.

bubbs11 08-02-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15638084)
This got me thinking, and googling, and the Manchester City squad of that season also contained four future England internationals (Andy Hinchciffe, Paul Warhurst, Paul Stewart and David White).

Funny that two of them later played for us!

Good shout steve. Got me thinking too...

What about Aston Villa's 2nd Div team of 1987/88? Think they had Martin Keown, David Platt, Andy Gray and Tony Daley that season.

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 12:23 PM

... that Villa team also had Mark Walters (who scored a hat-trick against us).

stevek 08-02-2021 01:27 PM

1988-89 Chelsea squad had Tony Dorigo, Graeme Le Saux, Graham Roberts and Kerry Dixon. Roberts was (I think) an ex-England international rather than a future one.

bubbs11 08-02-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15638287)
1988-89 Chelsea squad had Tony Dorigo, Graeme Le Saux, Graham Roberts and Kerry Dixon. Roberts was (I think) an ex-England international rather than a future one.

And Dixon an ex too.

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 01:43 PM

Here's a good related pub quiz question. Which 4 England internationals played for Manchester United in their 1974/75 promotion team?

stevek 08-02-2021 01:43 PM

I suspect the West Ham squad of 1979-80 win for past, current or future - Phil Parkes; Alvin Martin, Alan Devonshire, Frank Lampard Sr, Trevor Brooking and Stuart Pearson.

Bipe 08-02-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15638306)
Here's a good related pub quiz question. Which 4 England internationals played for Manchester United in their 1974/75 promotion team?

I will try Coppell, Greenhoff, Hill and Pearson.

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 02:35 PM

That's 3. Gordon Hill didn't sign until the following Summer.

ian king 08-02-2021 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 15635016)
Did Terry Boyle win a full cap while he was at Palace?

Yes he won 2 caps in Feb and May 1981. In the first against the Republic of Ireland he started and scored in the 3-1 victory. In the second, against Scotland, he came off the bench in the 2-0 victory.

Grim Reaper 08-02-2021 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15638309)
I suspect the West Ham squad of 1979-80 win for past, current or future - Phil Parkes; Alvin Martin, Alan Devonshire, Frank Lampard Sr, Trevor Brooking and Stuart Pearson.

This team was amazing. Won the FA Cup although bizarrely didn't get out of the division until the following season, during which time they reached the League Cup semi final and Euro Cup Winners Cup Final as well.

Also had Scottish international Ray Stewart at RB as well.

Gotta be the best 2nd tier team of all time.

Bipe 08-02-2021 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15638758)
This team was amazing. Won the FA Cup although bizarrely didn't get out of the division until the following season, during which time they reached the League Cup semi final and Euro Cup Winners Cup Final as well.

Also had Scottish international Ray Stewart at RB as well.

Gotta be the best 2nd tier team of all time.

Point of order - they only got to the quarter finals of the Cup Winners Cup, where they got rinsed by an outstanding Dynamo Tbilisi team - back in the days when mysterious 'crack' outfits from behind the Iron Curtain could pop out of nowhere to teach one of our clubs a footballing lesson. Tbilisi also knocked Liverpool out of the European Cup around the same era if I recall - probably the year Villa won it.

Looking at the West Ham 'squad' for that promotion season, it's a perfect illustration of how football has changed. Basically they used only 12 players to any great extent in the entire league season although bizarrely only the goalie Phil Parkes was an ever-present. Our own Paul Brush was the 13th most used player with just 11 league appearances (3 as sub). Paul Allen, the season after his cup final heroics, started just one league game and came on as sub in two others. The strike duo (another relic of a bygone age) of Paul Goddard and David Cross smashed in 55 goals between them in all competitions, good old Trevor Brooking weighed in with 10 league goals.

stevek 08-02-2021 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15638758)
This team was amazing. Won the FA Cup although bizarrely didn't get out of the division until the following season, during which time they reached the League Cup semi final and Euro Cup Winners Cup Final as well.

Also had Scottish international Ray Stewart at RB as well.

Gotta be the best 2nd tier team of all time.

Billy Bonds got as far as being an unused sub for England as well.

Mark Gardiner 08-02-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15638480)
That's 3. Gordon Hill didn't sign until the following Summer.

How about Alex Stepney? One cap back in 1968 just before the European Cup Final. Supposedly Sir Alf thought it would be a good idea for Alex to play at Wembley before the United-Benfica match.

Also became United's regular penalty taker at the start of their relegation season - think he was still their top scorer by November.

ElwissAtMemphis 08-02-2021 07:46 PM

Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

Bipe 08-02-2021 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15639190)
Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

I gave up and cheated but I won't spoil it for others. Good question.

Mark Gardiner 09-02-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15639190)
Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

Ah - well the post didn't mention that!

I won't spoil it, but his son also played for England.

Grim Reaper 09-02-2021 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15638784)
Point of order - they only got to the quarter finals of the Cup Winners Cup, where they got rinsed by an outstanding Dynamo Tbilisi team - back in the days when mysterious 'crack' outfits from behind the Iron Curtain could pop out of nowhere to teach one of our clubs a footballing lesson. Tbilisi also knocked Liverpool out of the European Cup around the same era if I recall - probably the year Villa won it.

Dinamo Tblisi sounded like a team of robot soliders. They had a name that scared me!

Much like when I was worried for Frank Bruno a few years later when he was fighting a guy called 'Bonecrusher' Smith, who inflicted Bruno's first loss! Ha ha.

Good correction on the QF - I even listened to that 2nd leg game after school (was teatime British time when it was played) on Radio 2 and over the years I've always thought it was SF, but you're right.

Grim Reaper 09-02-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15639190)
Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

Yup, had to cheat but what a great question. I had no idea.

Just scrolled down the team list from that season and saw a name and thought 'no, it can't be!' :D

bubbs11 09-02-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15639190)
Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

This is wrong i know but Peter Beardsley?

stevek 09-02-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15639690)
I gave up and cheated but I won't spoil it for others. Good question.

I've cheated too. Very clever.

Olympian2 09-02-2021 12:16 PM

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I've cheated too. Very clever.

And me. Well played Elwiss!

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15641043)
Dinamo Tblisi sounded like a team of robot soliders. They had a name that scared me!

Much like when I was worried for Frank Bruno a few years later when he was fighting a guy called 'Bonecrusher' Smith, who inflicted Bruno's first loss! Ha ha.

Good correction on the QF - I even listened to that 2nd leg game after school (was teatime British time when it was played) on Radio 2 and over the years I've always thought it was SF, but you're right.

As a kid, I used to listen to British teams playing in Europe via a crackly radio while having a bath. It sounded like Bryon Butler & Peter Jones were on the moon when they commentated from such places. Dinamo Tbilisi, Carl-Zeiss Jena, Red Star Belgrade. Hell, even Anderlecht seemed mysterious & exotic.

The other thing I remember listening to on the radio in the bath in those days was a weekly 2 hr Beatles special on Radio Laser 558, broadcasting from somewhere in the North Sea.

Bipe 09-02-2021 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 15641215)
And me. Well played Elwiss!



As a kid, I used to listen to British teams playing in Europe via a crackly radio while having a bath. It sounded like Bryon Butler & Peter Jones were on the moon when they commentated from such places. Dinamo Tbilisi, Carl-Zeiss Jena, Red Star Belgrade. Hell, even Anderlecht seemed mysterious & exotic.

The other thing I remember listening to on the radio in the bath in those days was a weekly 2 hr Beatles special on Radio Laser 558, broadcasting from somewhere in the North Sea.

Yes happy memories. The Eastern Bloc fans seemed to specialise in that relentless foghorn drone over and above the noise of the crowd itself. Used to love that sound emanating from the crackly medium wave reception, seemed intimidating to me even tucked up in bed with a cup of cocoa and I could barely imagine what it was like to play in that atmosphere.

bubbs11 09-02-2021 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15639190)
Future England international. A wee bit of lateral thinking required.

I gave up and googled too. Glad I did, I would never have got it.

Bipe 09-02-2021 03:32 PM

Although Palace had no game in the week ending 9 February due to the big freeze, the charts of course ploughed on relentlessly. New entries into the top ten were:

(I Wanna Give You) Devotion by Nomad featuring MC Mikee Freedom - a nightclub classic of the time, incorporating a catchy rap which you could mime to on the dancefloor while trying to 'impress' a potential conquest. Happy times...it worked sometimes.

Only You by Praise - I have just viewed this on YouTube (TOTP performance) and I am still none the wiser, never heard it before in my life. Anyway it's rubbish, some new age hippy wailing over the top of a trance-lite track.

What Do I Have To Do by Kylie Minogue - Kylie was in a strange no-mans land at this stage of her career, the initial flush of her SAW-powered rise to stardom had gone and she was stuck in a rut of churning out formulaic pop which verged on the easy listening at times. This was a typical lightweight effort which scored only moderate success, getting to number 6.

Play That Funky Music by Vanilla Ice - the follow up to number 1 smash Ice Ice Baby, this adaptation was less catchy and it struggled to number 10 as the Iceman quickly sunk back into obscurity.

art malice 09-02-2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 15641215)
And me. Well played Elwiss!



As a kid, I used to listen to British teams playing in Europe via a crackly radio while having a bath. It sounded like Bryon Butler & Peter Jones were on the moon when they commentated from such places. Dinamo Tbilisi, Carl-Zeiss Jena, Red Star Belgrade. Hell, even Anderlecht seemed mysterious & exotic.

The other thing I remember listening to on the radio in the bath in those days was a weekly 2 hr Beatles special on Radio Laser 558, broadcasting from somewhere in the North Sea.

Bizarrely they only broadcast the second half from memory.

Mark Gardiner 09-02-2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15641591)
Bizarrely they only broadcast the second half from memory.

For League games, the Football League would not even allow the BBC to inform the public what game was being broadcast on a Saturday until 3pm, or broadcast the 1st half, in case it affected the attendance at other League games. Same argument used by the football authorities about live tv games at 3pm Saturday, until now...

I can't recall when midweek European games began to be covered from kick-off, but am sure I remember tuning in to find out Forest were 0-2 down to Cologne in 78/79 at half-time. Suppose they were worried that Liverpool away to some Eastern Bloc / Warsaw Pact outfit would affect the attendance on a cold Wednesday night for Workington v Barrow (especially as latter was a local derby).

art malice 09-02-2021 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Gardiner (Post 15641675)
For League games, the Football League would not even allow the BBC to inform the public what game was being broadcast on a Saturday until 3pm, or broadcast the 1st half, in case it affected the attendance at other League games. Same argument used by the football authorities about live tv games at 3pm Saturday, until now...

I can't recall when midweek European games began to be covered from kick-off, but am sure I remember tuning in to find out Forest were 0-2 down to Cologne in 78/79 at half-time. Suppose they were worried that Liverpool away to some Eastern Bloc / Warsaw Pact outfit would affect the attendance on a cold Wednesday night for Workington v Barrow (especially as latter was a local derby).

:)

Grim Reaper 10-02-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Olympian2 (Post 15641215)
Radio Laser 558, broadcasting from somewhere in the North Sea.

What a station! Crackly as hell but cool American presenters, the occasional advert in Dutch to add to the exotic nature of the mix, being occasionally awake at 5am when it burst into life (they slept for 4 hours from 1am-5am so it was dead air for those hours) and 'never more than a minute away from the next song' meant chit chat was minimal.

Sixties Sunday wasn't so much for me but my mum liked that so everyone was happy.

Grim Reaper 10-02-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15641580)
the Iceman quickly sunk back into obscurity.

Don't forget that on his way back to oblivion him and MC Hammer had their feud and their fans doing likewise. I saw this play out on a cross-channel ferry when a load of 14-15 year olds were dancing to MC Hammer in the disco (dancefloor measuring 5mx5m!) but then theatrically walking off the second the DJ put Vanilla Ice on and giving the DJ the middle finger. :D

Paulinmorden 10-02-2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15642615)
What a station! Crackly as hell but cool American presenters, the occasional advert in Dutch to add to the exotic nature of the mix, being occasionally awake at 5am when it burst into life (they slept for 4 hours from 1am-5am so it was dead air for those hours) and 'never more than a minute away from the next song' meant chit chat was minimal.

Sixties Sunday wasn't so much for me but my mum liked that so everyone was happy.

Remember listening to that a lot in those days as I didn't have a TV so the radio was the main source of entertainment. Played better records than Capital or Radio 1. At one stage they used to play all their adverts together so you got 45 - 50 minutes of music then 10 - 15 minutes of ads. Obviously didn't work because that's when you went out to the loo or kitchen to make a cuppa.

ElwissAtMemphis 10-02-2021 02:47 PM

The missing 74/75 Manchester United player was of course Arnie Sidebottom who made 16 appearances as a central defender. He spent his summers as a fast bowler for Yorkshire, eventually winning a solitary England test cap against Australia in 1985. Very sporting of you guys who looked up the answer but kept it quiet. It wasn't really guessable; you either knew it or you didn't so I think it's OK to look it up and post it after a couple of days. It's when you ask a question with about ten answers and somebody copy and pastes all the answers off wikipedia within 10 minutes that's a bit irksome.

Keeping the cricket theme but getting the thread broadly back on topic, yesterday was the anniversary (9th February 1991) of the last day of England's 90/91 Ashes tour. Australia reached the winning target of 120 for the loss of just 1 wicket in Perth to finish the series 3-0 winners.

The series finished...

1st Brisbane Lost by 10 wickets
2nd Melbourne Lost by 8 wickets
3rd Sydney Drawn
4th Adelaide Drawn
5th Perth Lost by 9 wickets


The following players played...
David GOWER 5
Mike ATHERTON 5
Robin SMITH 5
Alec STEWART 5
Devon MALCOLM 5
Graham GOOCH 4
Gladstone SMALL 4
Phil TUFNELL 4
Allan LAMB 3
Wayne LARKINS 3
Jack RUSSELL 3
Phil DeFREITAS 3
Angus FRASER 3
Phil NEWPORT 1
Chris LEWIS 1
Eddie HEMMINGS 1

(Lamb was captain for the 1st Test in the absence of Gooch who took over for the remaining matches. Russell was wicketkeeper for the first 3 matches and Stewart for the last 2)

Bipe 10-02-2021 03:57 PM

This was a miserable tour. We had gone down under with false confidence that the Ashes could be wrested back and our 1989 home thrashing was an aberration - after all, we had won the previous two series comfortably including last time around in Australia. But in truth it was a somewhat rag-tag squad which lacked steel and leadership. Lamb, Gower and Gooch were all approaching 40, Hemmings must surely have been older than that, Larkins was a surprise pick in the twilight of his career which did not pay off. There were a number of players who fell into the 'talented but inconsistent' category - Malcolm, Tufnell, DeFreitas, Small. Atherton and Stewart were still in the infancy of their test career. Probably the only truly world class player we had was Robin Smith although I can't remember how well or badly he did during that series.

Things started badly when Gooch was rushed to hospital with a severe finger infection prior to the first test, and went downhill rapidly midway through the tour when Gower and John Morris indulged in their infamous Tiger Moth 'buzzing' incident in the middle of a warm up game. Gooch was suitably unimpressed and Morris never played for England again. If memory serves Gower and Lamb also found time for an unauthorised casino trip during the tour.

It was a steep decline and a long road out for England in test cricket. We spent most of the 1990s in the doldrums and it wasn't until Nasser Hussein took over the captaincy that the green shoots of recovery started to appear, culminating in that memorable 2005 Ashes series under Vaughan. I followed part of the 1994/95 Ashes tour, spending a huge chunk of a redundancy payment - we were even worse then and amazingly several of the 1990/91 tour journeymen were still involved in the squad, 'augmented' by the recall of a 40 something (age not stone) Mike Gatting. Was a great experience despite the poor results, witnessed Shane Warne taking a hat-trick at the MCG which will be one to tell the grandchildren.

Grim Reaper 10-02-2021 04:23 PM

I know I watched a good portion of that 1990/1 series yet the only thing I clearly recall of the Tour (and took place in an ODI, rather than Test) was Tufnell missing a run out from close range much to the absolute riotous amusement of the Aussies who had a field day taking the piss.

The fact this clip is labelled the 'Most ******** Fielding of All Time' on YouTube and the microphones can't handle the howls from the crowd tells you all you need to know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge1s7j2UASA

Grim Reaper 10-02-2021 04:26 PM

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Obviously didn't work because that's when you went out to the loo or kitchen to make a cuppa.

And ultimately it was the lack of ad revenue that did for them and the station folded in under 2 years. What a year that was though and for me personally, 84-85 was the greatest period of chart music ever.

You only have to look at NOW2 and NOW3 to see the quality of the songs going on the compilatiosn compared to the fodder the modern compilations are filled with.

Bipe 10-02-2021 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15643232)
I know I watched a good portion of that 1990/1 series yet the only thing I clearly recall of the Tour (and took place in an ODI, rather than Test) was Tufnell missing a run out from close range much to the absolute riotous amusement of the Aussies who had a field day taking the piss.

The fact this clip is labelled the 'Most ******** Fielding of All Time' on YouTube and the microphones can't handle the howls from the crowd tells you all you need to know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge1s7j2UASA

Tuffers got absolute dog's abuse on that tour, culminating I think in the infamous heckle "Tuffers, can you lend me your brain? I'm building an idiot"

I saw at first hand on the 1994/95 tour just how brutal the Aussie culture was, one-dayer England against Zimbabwe at the Gabba with a good smattering of locals in the crowd. During a lull in play a young Aussie lad, looked and sounded no more that 12, called out to the Zimbabwe player Guy Whittall who was fielding near us "Hey Whittall, can I have your autograph mate?". Whittall duly wanders over to oblige and while he's signing the same kid shouts out "Thanks mate. Your batting was shit earlier by the way."

Bipe 14-02-2021 09:09 AM

It feels like a blessed relief to have reason for skulking around on this thread again after yesterday's horror show.

16 February 1991 saw the first of those two (in my head) must win games to have any realistic chance of winning the league. Home to QPR, who had been enduring a bad season and had slipped into the relegation zone. Our win at Loftus Road earlier in the season had come in the middle of a dreadful run of eight straight defeats for the not so super hoops. They had conceded either two or three goals in every one of those matches, and true to form their manager Don Howe had come to the conclusion that the answer lay in defensive reinforcements, leading to the double signing just before Christmas of two lower league centre backs Andy Tillson and Darren Peacock.

I saw this as a game we should expect to win fairly comfortably. However, just as we had been fortunate to play QPR away at a time when their form had deserted them, it turned out that the reverse fixture at Selhurst Park came early in a period when they had turned the corner. It was the third of a run of 11 games unbeaten which saw them move well clear of relegation trouble and end the season in a steady mid-table position.

So a highly frustrating 0-0 draw ensued. We did all the running in the game but could not break down a resolute rear guard in which the two new boys performed superbly. Ironically of course Peacock would go on to become an integral part of the famous Kevin Keegan Newcastle side who could not defend, but he and his colleagues expertly shut the door on Wright and Bright that afternoon.

As mentioned previously the remnants of the heavy snowfall a couple of weeks previously were still visible around the edge of the pitch, and the QPR players stood out against that in their hideous bright orange kit. The game was also notable for an early appearance from Stan Collymore, who Coppell threw on on the left wing in the second half to try to help us engineer a breakthrough. It was a typical Collymore appearance for Palace, he got plenty of the ball and embarked on a few promising runs but seemed to run out of steam and clearly wasn't yet on the same wavelength as his more illustrious strikers Wright and Bright.

All in all then a somewhat draining and disappointing afternoon. However, just two days later we had the distraction of a trip down to south coast to look forward to. After two months in hibernation the ZDS Trophy was springing back into life and our 'southern quarter final' tie saw us up against our old friends from the Gallstone Ground.

Grim Reaper 14-02-2021 12:04 PM

I've got a few memories of this one.

The ref got 'knocked out' with a ball straight to the head which got a big cheer. Pretty sure the ref was Brian Hill and, mindful of his piss take of a refereeing performance v Coventry 18 months previously, I was particularly vociferous in the applause, only stopping when I realised the bastard was able to get back up!

Collymore - what an exciting and pacy player! Just got the ball and ran. Sometime aimlessly, sometimes with more purpose and direction towards the goal but every time he got on the ball the crowd did get excited. On an otherwise frustrating afternoon, Collymore's appearance did create a stir.

And finally, with the last kick of the game, Palace shot and the ball sailed miles over into the Whitehorse. The ref blew for full time and both teams turned and walked towards the tunnel with no one caring for where the ball landed.

As it turned out the ball landed with a group of lads just behind me, who managed to smuggle it out, similar to a Rugby pack of forwards advancing the ball upfield. It was a good team effort and as I walked up Whitehorse Lane this gang were booting the ball about and having a right good kickabout with the ball bouncing around the traffic, off windscreens etc. I'd like to think one of them still has that ball and is played with by kids or even grandkids of one of the blokes who nicked it.

I've often wondered whose responsibility is it for the ball to be kept safe. The ref? The home team's admin staff? The ball boys? And also did anyone get into trouble for the ball going missing despite 15000 people being there?

bubbs11 14-02-2021 07:05 PM

PALACE 0
QPR 0

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Palace: Martyn Humphrey Shaw Gray Young. Thorn. Salako Thomas. Bright. Wright. Barber. Subs: Pardew (for Gray). Colleymore (for Barber).

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bubbs11 14-02-2021 09:19 PM

Really frustrating game. They did a great job of stifling us. My over riding memory of the day was Colleymore’s short debut. There was a lot of buzz about him and we were hoping he could be that maverick to unlock the QPR defence. I do recall Bright and Wright (unusually for them) being very supportive of Stan during his time on the pitch.

The ref Brian Hill falling over and needing treatment was a highlight. Mark Bright actually went over to him while he was down and pretended to kick him a few times. :)

Latvian Eagle 14-02-2021 09:45 PM

Went to this game, just remember the piled up snow and their orange kit. **** all happened, and I had to go stay at my Nans for a week after as my Mum and Dad went away to Jersey. Pretty sure my Dad taking me to this game was supposed to ease the pain of spending a week with my Nan. :vader:

Golf Boy 14-02-2021 09:52 PM

Coppell out.

ElwissAtMemphis 14-02-2021 10:05 PM

Hard to imagine that Coppell, looking at the resources available, prefered Phil Barber over Stan Collymore. Even without the benefit of hindsight, he was prone to be way too sentimental about players that had performed for him in the past and had too much of the typical British managerial trait of valuing hard work and experience over youthful talent.

bubbs11 15-02-2021 04:44 AM

I was on the Holmesdale that day and due to the snow, large sections of one pen were cordoned off for safety.


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Here’s Stanley in action on his debut.

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stevek 15-02-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ElwissAtMemphis (Post 15651448)
Hard to imagine that Coppell, looking at the resources available, prefered Phil Barber over Stan Collymore. Even without the benefit of hindsight, he was prone to be way too sentimental about players that had performed for him in the past and had too much of the typical British managerial trait of valuing hard work and experience over youthful talent.

To be fair, Collymore's best position (as shown by his later career) was as a centre forward. Arguably, the fact that he only really got chances on the wing was one of the reasons he didn't succeed with us.

Bipe 17-02-2021 12:46 PM

Rolling on to 18 February 1991 then, and a Monday night game in the ZDS Trophy 'Southern Quarter Final' against Br*ghton at their soon to be deceased rotting dump of a stadium.

This was a Monday night game so early finish at work and quick dash down to the south coast, I cadged a lift in my mate's dad's car. We turned up in good numbers, helping to swell the gate to a bumper 10,000 or so - more pennies in the coffers for our badly-off so-called rivals and the locals would have been enticed out at the prospect of giant-killing derring-do.

Rather embarrassingly the game went into extra time but there was a satisfying denouement with the old double act of Wright and Bright firing us to a 2-0 win. Some antics from Palace fans on the pitch after the goals if I recall, rubbing the locals' noses in it to good effect.

The Gulf War was drawing towards a conclusion at this point and I remember switching on the TV when back home from the match to watch the updates. There was a strange fascination in watching the allied forces' heavy artillery arcing across the night sky.

Bipe 17-02-2021 12:50 PM

It should be noted that Br*ghton were enjoying one of their rare good seasons. They got all the way to the play-off final where they were well beaten by Notts County. That was that from them in terms of any top flight aspirations for another 20+ years.

Latvian Eagle 17-02-2021 01:50 PM

I think I have my weeks mixed up as I went to this game with my Dad. I don't recall it being so soon after the QPR game, and I don't remember it being right before the thumping at Arsenal, when my parents were definitely Away as I remember watching Grandstand and seeing Arsenal keep scoring. :moo:

Dad and I went to the Brighton game as a bit of a last minute thing, dropping Mum off at her friend Becky's who lived in Brighton. We got there a bit late and ended up in the Brighton end for the first half, I didn't really know about the rivalry at 6 years old so kept cheering Nigel Martyn whose goal we were behind. At half time Dad spoke to a copper at the front of the stand who escorted us around the perimeter of the pitch to the Away section.

Other things I remember, was myself and a couple of other younger kids couldn't really see so were sort of sat pitch side of the hoardings rather than in the terrace itself, and apart from how bloody cold it was, I remember sitting there and the grass was starting to frost over it was that cold.

Couldn't tell you one thing that happened in the game, I just know Wright and Bright scored in Extra Time.

MENTALLY TOUGH 17-02-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15655297)
Rolling on to 18 February 1991 then, and a Monday night game in the ZDS Trophy 'Southern Quarter Final' against Br*ghton at their soon to be deceased rotting dump of a stadium.

This was a Monday night game so early finish at work and quick dash down to the south coast, I cadged a lift in my mate's dad's car. We turned up in good numbers, helping to swell the gate to a bumper 10,000 or so - more pennies in the coffers for our badly-off so-called rivals and the locals would have been enticed out at the prospect of giant-killing derring-do.

Rather embarrassingly the game went into extra time but there was a satisfying denouement with the old double act of Wright and Bright firing us to a 2-0 win. Some antics from Palace fans on the pitch after the goals if I recall, rubbing the locals' noses in it to good effect.

The Gulf War was drawing towards a conclusion at this point and I remember switching on the TV when back home from the match to watch the updates. There was a strange fascination in watching the allied forces' heavy artillery arcing across the night sky.

& the day of the Victoria Train Station bombing.

Bipe 17-02-2021 05:01 PM

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& the day of the Victoria Train Station bombing.

Well remembered sir, I had a feeling there was a reason why I ended up cadging a lift down but couldn't put my finger on it. Of course the attack at Victoria had buggered up all the trains.

Poor David Corner, his name stuck in my head as a Sunderland defender with the same name had scored an own goal in the 1985 Milk Cup Final against Norwich.

The mention of the frost covered pitch also brought back some memories, it really was a freezing night

bubbs11 17-02-2021 05:27 PM

Zenith Data Systems 3rd Rd

BRIGHTON 0
PALACE 2. Bright. Wright

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Bipe 17-02-2021 05:33 PM

"Mark Bright outpaces the Brighton defence"

Definitely looks like a flat out foot race there.

stevek 17-02-2021 06:52 PM

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71 years to get four centurions, and then three more in less than 20 years.

SA Eagle 17-02-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15655708)
Well remembered sir, I had a feeling there was a reason why I ended up cadging a lift down but couldn't put my finger on it. Of course the attack at Victoria had buggered up all the trains.

Poor David Corner, his name stuck in my head as a Sunderland defender with the same name had scored an own goal in the 1985 Milk Cup Final against Norwich.

The mention of the frost covered pitch also brought back some memories, it really was a freezing night

That was Gordon Chisholm

Bipe 17-02-2021 07:27 PM

Shows how much I know...although Wikipedia tells me that it was his error that led to the deflected goal so I was on the right lines!

bubbs11 17-02-2021 07:36 PM

We got the car down also. Remember watching from right at the back of the away terrace. The times I'd been there and seen us miserably beaten year after year made it a satisfying victory even if it took us quite a while to get there. My abiding memory is the mini pitch invasion from jubilant Palace fans behind the goal when Wright scored. Really rubbed their noses in it.

Latvian Eagle 17-02-2021 07:36 PM

Shows how much the memory fades over the years too, when I think of this game I always imagine us in our Home Kit, yet those pictures above in black and white clearly show we played in the All Red kit, but I don't ever remember us playing in that kit.

Mark Gardiner 17-02-2021 07:54 PM

Took Two Seat down for his first taste of the A23 Derby. IIRC it was a poor game with few chances until extra time.

Golf Boy 18-02-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15655304)
It should be noted that Br*ghton were enjoying one of their rare good seasons. They got all the way to the play-off final where they were well beaten by Notts County. That was that from them in terms of any top flight aspirations for another 20+ years.

At least they got to use their Wembley hotel reservations that year.

JJ 18-02-2021 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15655963)
those pictures above in black and white clearly show we played in the All Red kit, but I don't ever remember us playing in that kit.

Everton away?

Latvian Eagle 18-02-2021 09:02 PM

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Everton away?

I meant in this game. Not ever ever. :moo:

JJ 19-02-2021 03:53 AM

Aah, got it.

Bipe 19-02-2021 07:53 AM

I forgot to do the top ten new entries for week ending 16 February 1991. Although in truth no-one will care, both tracks have long since faded into the mists of time.

Get Here by Oleta Adams - Ms Adams was briefly hyped up as the next big 'voice'. This was a typical USA 'ballad written by committee' though, entirely formulaic and lacking soul.

G.L.A.D by Kim Appleby - a less successful follow up to her debut solo hit, this one scraped to number 10 and I can't remember how it went.

Things get a bit more interesting in the next couple of weeks so hang on in there.

stevek 19-02-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 15655963)
Shows how much the memory fades over the years too, when I think of this game I always imagine us in our Home Kit, yet those pictures above in black and white clearly show we played in the All Red kit, but I don't ever remember us playing in that kit.

For those of you watching in black and white, Palace are in the red.

I think we should repeat that season's away kits one year. It was ahead of its time, really, as clubs didn't tend to have third kits back then.

Pub Idol 19-02-2021 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15658204)
For those of you watching in black and white, Palace are in the red.

I think we should repeat that season's away kits one year. It was ahead of its time, really, as clubs didn't tend to have third kits back then.

Agreed and same context in that all 3 kits are the same design..

Parish in the unlikely event you read this please implement!

Mark Gardiner 19-02-2021 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15658204)
For those of you watching in black and white, Palace are in the red.

I think we should repeat that season's away kits one year. It was ahead of its time, really, as clubs didn't tend to have third kits back then.

The red with blue trim always reminded me of Aldershot for some reason.

The blue with red trim harks back to our first game at Old Trafford, which popped up in the FA Cup Final previews in 1990 - John Sewell's awful penalty which he scored on the rebound IIRC.

bubbs11 19-02-2021 05:50 PM

February 20th

FA CUP 5th rd replay

EVERTON 4 LIVERPOOL 4


The following day, Kenny Dalglish resigns. Quite a shock. The Liverpool dynasty was beginning to show huge cracks and would very soon be over. Some pundits credited a certain South London club 10 months before, at firing the first huge blow that knocked them off course.

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stumpy feelers 19-02-2021 06:15 PM

Just watched the season video of this last week, **** me we were a good side. I was only a kid at the time , took it for granted.

Bipe 20-02-2021 10:38 AM

New entries into the top ten for week ending 23 February 1991

You Got The Love by The Source featuring Candi Staton - a bona fide dance classic of the era, intrinsically linked to the hedonistic goings on up at The Hacienda in Manchester around that time. The more recent cover by Florence & The Machine was an affront to humanity, some songs are uncoverable and this is one of them in my book.

In Yer Face by 808 State - the hits kept on coming for this lot, they burned brightly for a short period. More of the same here and no harm in that.

Bipe 20-02-2021 10:47 AM

I remember the aftermath of that Liverpool-Everton 4-4 game. Of course this was several years pre-internet, I had wandered down to the basement filing room around the middle of the day to retrieve some documents. The room was always manned by one of a handful of ne'er do wells who fitted all the stereotypes of that era - fruity language, page 3 calendar on the wall etc. They had a radio blasting out all day long. As I went in the guy on duty told me that Dalglish's resignation had just been announced. It felt like a stunning moment, Liverpool had been this impregnable machine at the summit of the English game for longer than I had known that football existed, and for the first time it seemed that the walls were being torn down. Of course there had been seasons before when they had been usurped to an extent e.g. Everton in the mid 80s, but it always felt as though that was a temporary blip and they would eventually come back stronger and better. They never panicked, there was a calmness and continuity about their affairs. But here for the first time was the manager suddenly resigning, seemingly on the back of a disappointing patch of form.

It quickly become apparent that Dalglish was haunted by the events of Hillsborough a couple of years previously and the pressure had all got too much for him. He had certainly started making some weird signings such as David Speedie and Jimmy Carter, seeming panic buys rather than in their tradition of gradually introducing fresh new faces to improve the squad over time. So for the first time in my experience you could genuinely describe Liverpool as being in something of a state of turmoil. Weird times.

Grim Reaper 21-02-2021 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15658311)
February 20th

FA CUP 5th rd replay

EVERTON 4 LIVERPOOL 4


The following day, Kenny Dalglish resigns. Quite a shock. The Liverpool dynasty was beginning to show huge cracks and would very soon be over. Some pundits credited a certain South London club 10 months before, at firing the first huge blow that knocked them off course.

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In the brief time the BSB Sports Channel existed prior to the merger with Sky, our 4-3 Semi final win must have been show more than anything else on that channel. A new channel with very little footage they could use apart from the two semis on April 8th, was perfect for any Palace-mad fan as they kept showing it or doing review shows of it. Andy Gray seemed to be eulogising over Palace in some form or other two or three times a week in the gap between semi and Final.

Doesn't surprise me to see him still bigging us up 10 months later. He certainly had my gratitude and support at that point :lux:

Bipe 23-02-2021 11:58 AM

Still chuckling to myself after last night's glorious debacle.

On to less happy matters and on 23 February 1991 we crashed to a heavy 4-0 defeat at Highbury against the eventual champions Arsenal. As the saying goes it was a case of 'deja vu all over again' - the previous year we had played there on New Year's Day and (I think) found ourselves 4-0 down at half time before Jeff Hopkins grabbed a second half consolation. This season we turned up in good numbers again, but with more expectation of nicking some sort of result given our much improved league position. But once again we were our of the game early, if memory serves Kevin Campbell scoring a couple as the Gunners cruised to victory.

Off the pitch my overriding memory of this game was of an Arsenal supporter in the seats near the away end getting riled by the Palace fans. This guy had the look of Richard Harris with long dishevelled grey hair, he seemed to be very agitated by events on the field of play and we gave him some stick. This angered him and he gradually progressed from shaking his fist at us to a full scale melt down, ranting and raving much to the shock of the Arsenal patrons sat close to him. Eventually the stewards intervened and he was led away down the steps at the side of the stand, much to our delight. This was greeted with a legendary heckle from a Palace fan near us: "Oi Richard! Richard the Lionheart! Once more into the breach, you ****!".

The highlight of a pretty miserable day, we were absolutely outclassed by a very good Arsenal side and I'm sure Ian Wright took note.

Olympian2 23-02-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15666006)
Still chuckling to myself after last night's glorious debacle.

On to less happy matters and on 23 February 1991 we crashed to a heavy 4-0 defeat at Highbury against the eventual champions Arsenal. As the saying goes it was a case of 'deja vu all over again' - the previous year we had played there on New Year's Day and (I think) found ourselves 4-0 down at half time before Jeff Hopkins grabbed a second half consolation. This season we turned up in good numbers again, but with more expectation of nicking some sort of result given our much improved league position. But once again we were our of the game early, if memory serves Kevin Campbell scoring a couple as the Gunners cruised to victory.

Off the pitch my overriding memory of this game was of an Arsenal supporter in the seats near the away end getting riled by the Palace fans. This guy had the look of Richard Harris with long dishevelled grey hair, he seemed to be very agitated by events on the field of play and we gave him some stick. This angered him and he gradually progressed from shaking his fist at us to a full scale melt down, ranting and raving much to the shock of the Arsenal patrons sat close to him. Eventually the stewards intervened and he was led away down the steps at the side of the stand, much to our delight. This was greeted with a legendary heckle from a Palace fan near us: "Oi Richard! Richard the Lionheart! Once more into the breach, you ****!".

The highlight of a pretty miserable day, we were absolutely outclassed by a very good Arsenal side and I'm sure Ian Wright took note.

Of course, only a massive pedant would point out that it was to Henry V rather than Richard coeur de lion that Shakespeare attributed that speech :p

I was at the 4-0 game, too. All too predictable vs Arsenal those days. Campbell, Smith, Merson.

N Herts Eagle 23-02-2021 01:48 PM

Well beaten that day.. This was the only game I used public transport. Finsbury Park railway station being a simple train journey from N Herts. Came home picked up car and to cap a perfect day the clutch went......such was life that day.

bubbs11 23-02-2021 07:08 PM

ARSENAL 4. O’Leary. Merson. Smith. Campbell
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Golf Boy 24-02-2021 05:49 PM

So if we had beaten arse we would have gone second?

Latvian Eagle 24-02-2021 05:58 PM

I do love that Blue Away kit.

Pub Idol 24-02-2021 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15666730)

Pardew and Barber both starting didn't bode well.

bubbs11 24-02-2021 07:24 PM

Yet another miserable away day at Highbury. Little did we know we were two years away from the most miserable Highbury experience of them all.

Playing them was like playing a game or a sport against your older brother as a kid. Similar styles but they were just that bit stronger, more intelligent and talented than us. Don’t recall too much from the day actually apart from Ninja’s uncharacteristic slip up on the halfway line that led to their second.

Bipe 25-02-2021 07:34 AM

A few observations about that league table:

1. After a couple of bad results we were suddenly in danger of getting sucked back towards the teams below. Leeds and the Wankers both with two games in hand and potentially within striking distance.

2. Arsenal have conceded only 12 goals in 25 games. They really were miserly under George Graham.

3. Bloody Wimbledon in 6th place

4. A battle royale developing at the foot of the table, just 3 points separating Villa in 13th from QPR in 18th. Sheffield United a further 3 points back but as previously covered in this thread, they had by now turned the corner and would eventually finish mid table. Derby starting to get cut adrift.

stevek 25-02-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15668232)
Yet another miserable away day at Highbury. Little did we know we were two years away from the most miserable Highbury experience of them all.

Playing them was like playing a game or a sport against your older brother as a kid. Similar styles but they were just that bit stronger, more intelligent and talented than us. Don’t recall too much from the day actually apart from Ninja’s uncharacteristic slip up on the halfway line that led to their second.

I think their style was a bit different to ours at that stage. It was really after signing Wright that they totally became a rich man's version of our 90-91 team (both built around great keeper and centre back pairing; combative midfielders; main tactic to get it forward to Wright and his big man strike partner). And, in terms of league position, they didn't finish as high after signing Wright as we did in 90-91 for some years.

Grim Reaper 25-02-2021 10:20 PM

Killer of a day although was a landmark in the sense that I visited Sportspages on Charing Cross Road for the first time ever, on the way to the game. What a place. Every fanzine you could think all under one roof. Went there at least once a month after that and loaded up with as many fanzines as I could afford.

Grim Reaper 25-02-2021 10:23 PM

I told my dad in for two or three weeks in advance of this game that he absolutely had to put this down as a draw on the pools coupon. Never been more convinced of a result in all my life. Oops!

He claimed that he got 7 draws and that Palace one would have been the one to win a big chunk of money. I didn't live with him at this stage so I never saw the coupon but he was something of a liar so I never really believed it....but every now and again I do wonder if he was telling the truth for once and Palace cost him a million!

Bipe 26-02-2021 08:24 AM

On 26 February 1991 we welcomed Luton Town to Selhurst Park for the ZDS Trophy 'Southern Semi-Final'.

The Hatters were dispatched 3-1 in front of another meagre crowd, an Ian Wright brace and a rare goal from Eddie McGoldrick doing the damage. My recollection is that this was a pretty easy win and once ahead we never looked likely to be in any trouble, although I'll await the official report from Bubbs to confirm that. In any event Wright was starting to get a taste for the competition now following his goal at Brighton in the previous round. The win put us up against Norwich in the 'Southern Final', this was to be a two-legged affair and on paper things were looking good for a return trip to Wembley less than 12 months after our FA Cup exploits. Norwich had beaten rivals Ipswich in their semi-final.

In the Northern half of the draw, Leeds had already progressed to the Northern Final a week previously after beating Manchester City. We would have to wait until 13 March to know the other Northern Finalist, when Barnsley were to play Everton - probably delayed due to Everton's involvement in some FA Cup replays. So if we did make it to the final it was looking likely that Leeds or Everton would provide the opposition, tough opponents either way.

N Herts Eagle 26-02-2021 08:47 AM

Easy enough win without the excitement of Kelvin Morton being the ref. Which references a 4 1 I think in the same competition around this time. Where our lucky ref had one of those games sending off Lutons manager and also a player.
I knew a fair number of Luton fans plus the club doctor and their England Under 21 full bac.So these games always had a bit more interest. Unfortunatly the full back was injured so missed the game.

Dixie Eagle 26-02-2021 10:42 AM

I was at Arsenal too. Very disappointing that we lost more heavily than we did the season before, when we had improved so much in the meantime. I think Ian Wright only had one shot and that went out for a throw in. He certainly didn't get signed on that performance.

I do remember it kicking off a bit during the match with the standing Arsenal fans on our right. I couldn't really see properly as I wasn't close enough to the fence but it didn't stop one fella behind me leaping over a few people to get at it.

bubbs11 26-02-2021 07:31 PM

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PALACE 3 Wright 2. McGoldrick
LUTON 1 Rees

Att: 7,170

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