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Spiderman 08-04-2021 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 15734995)
I agree Lewis Cook would be a massive gamble now as unfortunately this was his 2nd ACL, how unlucky can you be? he would have been the perfect player for the Luka role in a new Midfield setup. May be a very good alternative would be to bring in Jonjo Shelvey who may not be a favorite on here but is a damn good player.

I agree about Shelley, have wanted him to sign for sometime, great passer and has a good shot on him

orp pisshead1 09-04-2021 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 15734526)
He is very much a utility player rather than a specialist in One particular position which i feel is what we need currently and would prefer personally, however his versatility normally would be useful to have in the squad and in his defence aged 23 and an England squad player with Arsenal probably asking around the 15m plus mark, is that an excessive fee? possibly not. Could we do better, but as his performances at WBA so far has not been stand out or inspired me, and for me the same criticism can be directed at Gallager but from all accounts we still seem very keen on.
If we are to raid WBA in the summer then for me there is One who has been their stand out player and someone who i have been singing his praises for months and that player is Pereira, he would be a perfect fit for our midfield alongside Eze and also add Lewis Cook as the anchor, and play Wilf Zaha in the "free" role they really would give our midfield guile and movement also a goal threat which would make a change.
Also worth a punt from WBA would be Kyle Bartley a player i have rated since his early days at Arsenal, especially now on a free ok all be it he is 29 but can be our rock at the back if played alongside either Tomkins or Kouyate or Cahill.

Townsend is a decent lb imo.

spt1978 09-04-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dobbo (Post 15705473)
Seem to recall A M-N was very unimpressive for Arsenal against us two months ago and got hooked after an hour.

Thought he was on loan at WBA?

Anyhow, are we seriously debating signing a player called Ainsley?

LuieJack 09-04-2021 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by orp pisshead1 (Post 15735244)
Townsend is a decent lb imo.

To be honest ORP, rather strangely for me to say that a club destined for relegation WBA have some very decent players that can be up for grabs, i.e (GK)Johnstone, (RWB) Furlong, (LWB) Townsend as you mentioned (CB's) Ajeyi and Bartley, Midfield= Pereira, Gallagher, and there is another who's name i cant think of, and Up Front i like that big new African Centre Forward who looks capable and will be a bigger threat next season i feel.
Which makes it baffling as to why they still struggle even having football's Houdini in charge of them, yet he has not been able to lift them.

LuieJack 09-04-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiderman (Post 15735007)
I agree about Shelley, have wanted him to sign for sometime, great passer and has a good shot on him

The problem with Shelvey is not on ability as we know he has it in abundance and in all honesty would be just the type to bring the best out of a Palace side, just think of him pinging out accurate balls wide to Zaha and Townsend or even to Benteke will see results. His issues is more about his explosive temperament, which can be disruptive for managers to work with possibly? but personally i would always take that chance because he can be a real Class Act and would love CPFC sign him.

Martin H 09-04-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 15735328)
To be honest ORP, rather strangely for me to say that a club destined for relegation WBA have some very decent players that can be up for grabs, i.e (GK)Johnstone, (RWB) Furlong, (LWB) Townsend as you mentioned (CB's) Ajeyi and Bartley, Midfield= Pereira, Gallagher, and there is another who's name i cant think of, and Up Front i like that big new African Centre Forward who looks capable and will be a bigger threat next season i feel.
Which makes it baffling as to why they still struggle even having football's Houdini in charge of them, yet he has not been able to lift them.

Havenít you left their best player since He arrived out? The Turkish midfielder?

I also think you have to consider that some of those players you are listing are not good enough. If they are all as good as you suggest then they wouldnít be stranded in the relegation slot despite having had two experienced Managers.

We donít need a first choice keeper and so I would probably only look at the Turkish guy as an option. Pereira looks great in the highlights reel but whenever I have watched him for the 90 mins he has been less impressive. Good age though and maybe I have been very unlucky with the games I have seen but itís quite a few recently and he loses the ball in difficult areas. Also do we need another AM? We need to fix the rest of the team to be able to use an AM or itís a waste of cash. I donít think we have midfield that can cope with Eze and Pereira today. As posted elsewhere I am not convinced as some by Gallagher, Bartley etc. And so would just take the Turkish guy although price may have gone up now I guess.

Jim Cannon 09-04-2021 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Martin H;15735376

We donít need a first choice keeper[/QUOTE]

And if we did, we wouldn't be going for Johnstone. If Bournemouth were able to get around 20M for Ramsdale who isn't very good, what price would Johnstone be

LuieJack 09-04-2021 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin H (Post 15735376)
Havenít you left their best player since He arrived out? The Turkish midfielder?

I also think you have to consider that some of those players you are listing are not good enough. If they are all as good as you suggest then they wouldnít be stranded in the relegation slot despite having had two experienced Managers.

We donít need a first choice keeper and so I would probably only look at the Turkish guy as an option. Pereira looks great in the highlights reel but whenever I have watched him for the 90 mins he has been less impressive. Good age though and maybe I have been very unlucky with the games I have seen but itís quite a few recently and he loses the ball in difficult areas. Also do we need another AM? We need to fix the rest of the team to be able to use an AM or itís a waste of cash. I donít think we have midfield that can cope with Eze and Pereira today. As posted elsewhere I am not convinced as some by Gallagher, Bartley etc. And so would just take the Turkish guy although price may have gone up now I guess.

Firstly, that was the other midfield guy who's name i could not think off. I was not suggesting we sign all of them, certainly not their keeper what with Guaita and Butland on our books, but who i would sign from their list would be Bartley on a free to strengthen our centre backs and Pereira. Who to me is a real class act in my opinion and who would slot comfortably into a Midfield trio that i had suggested earlier of ideally Lewis Cook or Jonjo Shelvey with Eze and Pereira, you have to remember you are judging him in a struggling setup yet has been outstanding for 2/3 seasons, and according to most pundits is seen as a real talent and in all honesty CPFC would be fortunate if we were able to sign him.
Also what i was suggesting in my reply message to the poster, that it was hard to realise just why they have struggled when you look at that list of players but also with SA in charge the very point you also questioned, it maybe that you had misunderstood my point being made.

GB2506 09-04-2021 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LuieJack (Post 15735328)
To be honest ORP, rather strangely for me to say that a club destined for relegation WBA have some very decent players that can be up for grabs, i.e (GK)Johnstone, (RWB) Furlong, (LWB) Townsend as you mentioned (CB's) Ajeyi and Bartley, Midfield= Pereira, Gallagher, and there is another who's name i cant think of, and Up Front i like that big new African Centre Forward who looks capable and will be a bigger threat next season i feel.
Which makes it baffling as to why they still struggle even having football's Houdini in charge of them, yet he has not been able to lift them.

You make it sound like theyíre the champions elect.

Ajeyi is a Championship CB playing in the Premier League, Bartley isnít much better. The big bloke they signed upfront in Jan looks awful, completely out of hIs depth. They have a couple of good players but there is a reason theyíre getting relegated and will struggle to make 25 points.

Allardyce is known for his teams being defensively strong and he couldnít get it to work at West Brom because the players arenít good enough at this level.

LuieJack 10-04-2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GB2506 (Post 15736040)
You make it sound like theyíre the champions elect.

Ajeyi is a Championship CB playing in the Premier League, Bartley isnít much better. The big bloke they signed upfront in Jan looks awful, completely out of hIs depth. They have a couple of good players but there is a reason theyíre getting relegated and will struggle to make 25 points.

Allardyce is known for his teams being defensively strong and he couldnít get it to work at West Brom because the players arenít good enough at this level.

I hear what you say about making them sound like champions elect:) especially when i had predicted before the season had even begun that WBA, Sheffield Utd and Fulham would be relegated. Teams do struggle when the rot sets in as we saw with Sheffield Utd last season outstanding and this? i felt WBA have players who could/should have done better as we saw recently at Chelsea they are capable of doing so, and especially when the canny SA took over i expected better.
You mention Ajeyi, yes he has gone off the boil recently but for the early part of the season looked a very commanding ball playing centre back and was also being rated by many pundits. As for Bartley, surely you must have been impressed by his commanding performances recently especially in a struggling defence? this is a player who i rated going back to his early days at Arsenal and one i still rate eventhough playing in struggling teams for several years. We need to re-access our centre backs this summer and Bartley at 29 and premiership proven plus on a free, surely will add a lot to our ageing and injury prone defence would you not say? I would have him.

Martin H 10-04-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GB2506 (Post 15736040)
You make it sound like theyíre the champions elect.

Ajeyi is a Championship CB playing in the Premier League, Bartley isnít much better. The big bloke they signed upfront in Jan looks awful, completely out of hIs depth. They have a couple of good players but there is a reason theyíre getting relegated and will struggle to make 25 points.

Allardyce is known for his teams being defensively strong and he couldnít get it to work at West Brom because the players arenít good enough at this level.

I think that is a lot closer to how I see it. Itís not an accident that they are stuck at the bottom and with two experienced Managers itís been the same. If you watch their highlights they have moments but if you watch them for 90 mins too many of these players fall short. As I said above Yokuslu looks the pick to me and the others I would pass on tbh. too many questions over them. Beggars may not be choosers however.

glaziers fan 13-04-2021 06:05 AM

Played very well yesterday. I think he’d be great as a right wing back for us.

Stavros 69 13-04-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by glaziers fan (Post 15741783)
Played very well yesterday. I think heíd be great as a right wing back for us.

Well heíll be really useful for us in a 442 then.

glaziers fan 13-04-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stavros 69 (Post 15742039)
Well heíll be really useful for us in a 442 then.

Think he'd be good as a right back or a right midfielder too. We lack someone with pace on that side who is able to run to the byline and cross.

BillyTKid 13-04-2021 12:46 PM

He would be better than we have at right back, centre mid and right wing. The guy is hungry to climb the football ladder as well. He asked to go out on loan to try and make the euros.

Liam_Palace 19-04-2021 09:43 PM

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...nsfer-23938338

Ainsley Maitland-Niles is being targeted for a summer transfer after his impressive loan spell at West Brom.

Crystal Palace are the latest Premier League club to show an interest in the Arsenal midfielder who will have two years left on his current deal at the end of the season.

Maitland-Niles moved in January to get regular football and has put in strong performances for West Brom who are making a late push for survival under Sam Allardyce.

Leeds have also been watching developments while there has been interest from French club Monaco while Wolves made a big attempt to sign him permanently last summer.

Maitland-Niles ended up staying at Arsenal but a lack of opportunities saw him push for a loan move in January and, despite interest from Southampton, Newcastle and Leicester, went to West Brom to try and get regular game time in midfield.

cpfcfan1 19-04-2021 09:45 PM

Yes please

Brodie Lee 20-04-2021 01:03 AM

We shouldn't be doing business from here on in with any of the scab clubs.

Ron Dogers 22-04-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by glaziers fan (Post 15742092)
Think he'd be good as a right back or a right midfielder too. We lack someone with pace on that side who is able to run to the byline and cross.

Apart from Wilf, Jeff and Andros? I think it's the way we play sometimes not the players?

Martin H 22-04-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Dogers (Post 15753584)
Apart from Wilf, Jeff and Andros? I think it's the way we play sometimes not the players?

Tbh Andros has no pace these days, Wilf isnít a great crosser of the ball. Schlupp is the only with the pace and a decent cross in him.


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