I've seen the Palace one go for about £5, no idea what a full set might fetch though...

I have found my panini 92 stickers set. I will post up the name and numbers later.

David, don't worry mate, we have a handle on those now...

Due to Pinnacle cigarette cards being issued in different sizes the list will now top 800. Thanks to sterling work by Dorking Eagle... (your swopsies are in the post mate) :p

That's "Pinnace" cigarettes obviously!
Cig Cards:
If anyone is an expert on this series of cards that were produced by the cigarette company Godfrey Phillips (not the miniature ones like on the back of Crystal Palace A Complete Record 1905-89 but the next size up, called "large"), I would be interested if you could clarify the years of issue for each different type of "Back"(reverse) for the list being compiled

Have you updated the list since then Neil ?

How many cards were produced of the very early players (IE: as featured in the complete record book).

Yes, list is updated. PM for a copy. The set featured on the back of the complete record is the Pinnace set, which were issued in many different variations of size and back-print, however, to answer your question there are 16 Palace player cards + team group in this set. 12 are relatively easy to get hold of, 4 and team group aren't.

There are several other sets of early players, all of which command very high prices.

Thanks for the list Neil, didn't realise there had been quite so many.

Which is the rarest/most expensive ???

The most expensive old Cigarette cards I know of are:
1/ A Churchmans card of Rev. Kenneth Hunt from I think 1914 (about £30 for an excellent condition card)

2/ The 1913 set of 15 "Prominent Footballers" issued by Taddy (a huge series featuring 15 players from about 20 clubs), also about £30 per card . Taddy cigarette cards are particularly expensive compared to other because they were smoked less, so for example a Players from the 20's might be only worth £1 nowadays, but a pre WW1 Taddy card would be worth ££££'s! Basically they are the "Rolls Royce" of cards, just as, say old Steiff bears are worth £££'s compared to other less regarded brands! I would say this set are the rarest Palace cards I know of, (although to be honest whether something is rare to you depends on whether you have got it or not). If you haven't got a particular card you could wait an awful long time (i.e. years) for one of these to become available, as most really serious collectors would have checked with all the dealers as to what they have in their stock, so then all you can do is wait for those elusive cards to enter the market, and when they do, you won't be the only person waiting for them either!

Reason so rare is that WW1 broke out soon after, not sure if remainders were pulped, but maybe more to do with the fact people had more important things to do at the time than collect fag cards.

This week I got a 1906 card from the Football Captain Series issued by Hill of our own Wilf Innerd yesterday. Cost me £25 which is about right from a dealer (cheaper than ebay anyway!). Also recently got hold of an old Pattreiouex card that I needed. Cannot name my source!

I believe that, considering Palace were only formed in 1905, this must be the oldest Palace cigarette card printed. (Well it is, don't know why I worded it like a quetion, I have all the reference books!)

Still short of four 1908 Taddy's, a whopping thirteen 1913 Taddy's, two Pattreiouex, one miniature Pinnace and seventeen large Pinnace (which are frustratingly elusive despite their relative low value) to then have everything tobacco related to CPFC. More hunting required!!!!

Any chance of a scan on here of the Innerd pic DE ?

Just emailed some to you, hope they can fit onto the bbs ok

Any chance of e-mailing 'em to me too mate?

no probs...first to put them on the bbs is my favourite for the day!

Tha' she blows...

Cor, they came out better than I had hoped!
These are basically to the uninitiated, 8 of my favourite oldest cards (CIGARETTE CARDS)

running along the top row left to right then bottom row left to right :

1/ R & J Hill "Football Captain Series" from 1906 - the player is Palace's captain Wilf Innerd. The oldest Cigarette Card featuring Palace or a Palace player, and very rare. value about £25

2/ Taddy "Prominent Footballers" from the 1908 series, one of 15 different Palace Players, again Wilf Innerd. Value, probably about £10

3/ Cohen & Weenen "Football Captains" from 1908. Yes it's Wilf Innerd again. Worth about £9 in mint condition, though my one obviously isn't! A reprint of this was done in 1998 and a reproduction card is worth £1

4/ Gallagher "Association Football Club Colours" 1910 featuring "Lady" Woodger (a player with refined skills!) Not that rare

5/ Taddy "Prominent Footballers" from the 1913-14 series - one of 15 Palace players features, Hewitt. Value rather high, certainly no less than £20 per card, probably more.

6/ Churchmans "Footballers" 1914. Very valuable £25-£30 I think.

7/ Wills "Famous Footballers" 1914
Regarding 6 and 7 - which is the real Rev. K Hunt!!! One had a wooly moustache, and one none!!

8/ Churchmans "Footballers (Coloured)" 1914 - interesting as the portrait insert is black and white.

Does card 1 have a number associtaed with it, DE?

Number 45

Ta

How's that master list coming on BTW?

Still deciding whether JS Collectables cards should form a part of it at the moment. Some geezer has got a bunch of old press photographs of footballers in action and is issuing them in 'collections'.

Not true 'trading' cards as such, but then I've included things like the Matchday series and Ivor Duncan's cards.

What do you think?