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AndyStreet 13-03-2008 01:05 PM

I'm waiting until the rumoured new one in June. My contract with Ripoffafone ends in May, so it should hopefully be perfectly timed. Even if the new one doesn't come out I'll probably get one at that point. I played on one extensively in the Apple store the other week having long had an interest and it's a majestic piece of kit.

Ridcully 13-03-2008 05:15 PM

Vario 2 contract is up in June, can't decide whether to go iphone or wait for the Xperia 1 from Sony which also looks tasty. Vario has been a whole lot better since Opera Mini 4 came out and am waiting patiently for Opera Mobile 9.5 which will hopefully be as good as Safari mobile.

knowlesyUCLA 13-03-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CPFC Town
My brother has the touch and it is a great device. Until your in a non-wireless area. I used it for a day and at the end of the day came to the conclusion if i had one i'd get the phone version as it means you can use all the features on it when you want as most require internet access.

For using the touch as a MP3 and video player it is quality. If you want to have it to check your email, browse a few webpages on the move then i would seriously consider getting the phone version instead imho.

Is a very slick device i would consider getting if the contract plans where more competative with day to day pay monthly price plans :)

thanks for the response, i suppose at the end of the day it is an mp3 player first and foremost so the email/online functions are just extras. will be good in london though, for sure, where there are wireless spots all over the place.

britabroad 13-03-2008 05:26 PM

The Smartphone market is going to expand this year whilst the traditional Cell phone market will contract (IMHO) There will be a wide choice available by Q3 from multiple suppliers and I am sure the BB will have a say in this.

Dave 13-03-2008 05:40 PM

The iphone isn't a smartphone

Ridcully 13-03-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
The iphone isn't a smartphone
On no here we go again ;)

britabroad 14-03-2008 12:47 AM

what is your definition of a smartphone Dave? I am not a tech guy and am interested in knowing your thoughts. Some say it is purely about functionality and others say it is about the OS

Dave 14-03-2008 08:29 AM

for me a smartphone says push email and office integration - the iPhone does niether right now. The iPhone has different features and a different focus. Its a covergence device that actually works. Crackberry are great but its apples and oranges comparing it with the iPhone

Niceaction 14-03-2008 08:44 AM

Apple are just about to move into the office apps and email market for business though.

I have a question... I currentlt have all my music on Itunes which feeds my 60gig ipod (its about 75% full.) If I were to get an Iphone how would it interact with my current installation of itunes? Will it try and sync all 45gig to the phone, or does each device have its own seperate interface?

I love the ipod and iphone but I hate Itunes!!

Ridcully 14-03-2008 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Niceaction
Apple are just about to move into the office apps and email market for business though.

I have a question... I currentlt have all my music on Itunes which feeds my 60gig ipod (its about 75% full.) If I were to get an Iphone how would it interact with my current installation of itunes? Will it try and sync all 45gig to the phone, or does each device have its own seperate interface?

I love the ipod and iphone but I hate Itunes!!

Either stop using iTunes, there are other music syncing/playing solutions. If you are using iTunes, turn off the autosync feature and manually select what you want to import.

We run four iPods off the same iTunes installation. Have over 40Gb of music and service an iPod 20Gb, 2 Nanos and a shuffle. Easiest way I have found is to create playlists for each machine and then select the option to just sync the playlist, that way you can have a separate list for the iPod to the iPhone.

Dave 14-03-2008 08:52 AM

you can sync a subset of your tunes by creating playlists abd only syncing those - I agree though, Itunes stinks. I have actually stopped uploading music to my iPhone - I just subscribe to oodles of podcasts and use those instead

Niceaction 14-03-2008 08:56 AM

Cheers chaps

Dave 14-03-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ridcully
Either stop using iTunes, there are other music syncing/playing solutions.

Do these sync all the other crap that Itunes does on the phone? Contacts, calendar, photos etc? How do you do iphone updates?

arussell 15-03-2008 12:03 AM

Itunes only flaw is having to manually add links to where music is all the time on your drives, instead of being able to monitor folders where you put the things. Other than that it's fine as a program.

Apple announced this week support for Microsoft Exchange, and push e-mail, calendars, contacts etc, so I'd expect many people will switch their business phones to an Iphone as soon as their company will allow, and the public becomes aware of it.

Blackberry's are horribly clumsy devices, no good for anything apart from receiving work mail.

britabroad 18-03-2008 01:30 AM

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Ridcully 18-03-2008 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Do these sync all the other crap that Itunes does on the phone? Contacts, calendar, photos etc? How do you do iphone updates?
Sorry Dave, I meant just for music, don't think there is a way of doing the other stuff afaik.

Shoreditch CPFC 18-03-2008 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arussell
Itunes only flaw is having to manually add links to where music is all the time on your drives, instead of being able to monitor folders where you put the things. Other than that it's fine as a program.

Apple announced this week support for Microsoft Exchange, and push e-mail, calendars, contacts etc, so I'd expect many people will switch their business phones to an Iphone as soon as their company will allow, and the public becomes aware of it.

Blackberry's are horribly clumsy devices, no good for anything apart from receiving work mail.

in laymans terms, does this mean if I get an Iphone now it will sync automatically with outlook email, contacts & calendar? Do I need to wait for the next version?

Dave 18-03-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

in laymans terms, does this mean if I get an Iphone now it will sync automatically with outlook email, contacts & calendar? Do I need to wait for the next version?
Well it depends what you want/mean?

Will it sync outlook from you PC to you Iphone - yes I believe so

Will it push your exchange email to your phone over the internet and sync your contacts calendars without being physically connected to your pc - not yet

Niceaction 18-03-2008 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
The thing that worries me a little now is that Iplayer is available - so if they release 3g version the possibilities are amazing.
In the terms and conditions of an Iphone from O2 it says you cannot stream audio or visual, so how does that sit with the Iplayer?

Do O2 really cancel peoples contracts if they find they are streaming?

I have most of my music on a website that I can stream from any machine with an internet connection, so if I were to get an Iphone this would be a great way to have all my music available instead of a subset.

Dave 18-03-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Niceaction
In the terms and conditions of an Iphone from O2 it says you cannot stream audio or visual, so how does that sit with the Iplayer?

Do O2 really cancel peoples contracts if they find they are streaming?

I have most of my music on a website that I can stream from any machine with an internet connection, so if I were to get an Iphone this would be a great way to have all my music available instead of a subset.

Streaming music over GPRS isn't fun, doable but not fun.

If you are connected to wifi then 02 won't care as you aren't traversing their network.

If they bring in 3G then who knows what happens.

I haven't heard of anyone getting their contracts cancelled

Marki 18-03-2008 04:52 PM

Tried to get mine connected with work e-mail but was told...

"the only way you can set up your exchange email account is if it is configured for IMAP (which is a standard set of rules for accessing email from local server). Unfortunately our system doesn't support that so you wont be able to use the iPhone as an e-mail client (specific to our system)."

Are they being lazy and there is a way to do this, or are they ... :sob: right?

Dave 18-03-2008 04:55 PM

They are correct although all Exchange servers can have Imap enabled very easily.

Marki 18-03-2008 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
They are correct although all Exchange servers can have Imap enabled very easily.
Cheers Dave. I'll have a dig around and see what I can suss out.

If all Exchange servers can be enabled easily a PM on how this works would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers

Mark

lukethomas_01 18-03-2008 09:42 PM

ive got one and i love it. Took me a few days to get used to the keyboard but after then its easy and much prefer it!!!

jookbeard 18-03-2008 10:02 PM

can get them unlocked now to take any sim card,(not read oither posts sorry)

arussell 19-03-2008 01:29 AM

Not sure what you mean by that, that's been the case since soon after they were released. They'll run any sim card apart from one on 3.

Dave 19-03-2008 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marki
Cheers Dave. I'll have a dig around and see what I can suss out.

If all Exchange servers can be enabled easily a PM on how this works would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers

Mark

It's just a configuration setting in exchange server

Shoreditch CPFC 19-03-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by arussell
Not sure what you mean by that, that's been the case since soon after they were released. They'll run any sim card apart from one on 3.
after being unlocked or anyway?

Marki 19-03-2008 10:48 AM

After being unlocked. The uk versions are locked to O2 but this is easily remedied.

And thanks for you answer Dave. I will try again with our IT bods.

anoneagle 21-03-2008 10:19 PM

Apparently the next update will include the app store icon,so we wont need an unlocked phone to be able to access the third party applications.

Brett 22-03-2008 08:29 PM

Bought an Apple TV from the London store today and was amazed at how many iPhones they're selling every minute. They really are just walking out the door.

Dave 22-03-2008 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
Bought an Apple TV from the London store today and was amazed at how many iPhones they're selling every minute. They really are just walking out the door.
What made you get an AppleTv?

Brett 22-03-2008 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
What made you get an AppleTv?
I only live in a small gaff so want to rip my DVD's (I have room for a server) and stick them all in the loft. The quality is really good.

I'm also waiting for the HD rentals to come to the UK.

Dave 22-03-2008 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
I only live in a small gaff so want to rip my DVD's (I have room for a server) and stick them all in the loft. The quality is really good.

I'm also waiting for the HD rentals to come to the UK.

What format are you ripping the dvd's to?

The HD rentals will be sweet for sure.

Brett 22-03-2008 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
What format are you ripping the dvd's to?

The HD rentals will be sweet for sure.

h.264 (m4v). New DVD's are a bastard (DRM) but the older stuff is a stroll in the park. Mac the Ripper to extract the VOB's and then I'm using Handbrake to encode (usually, I rip a few DVD's and queue them in Handbrake to encode overnight).

Dave 22-03-2008 10:19 PM

It's a shame you can't play the dvds natively in iso format or similar.

Brett 23-03-2008 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
It's a shame you can't play the dvds natively in iso format or similar.
It may come, you never know.

I may rip some small stuff for the iPhone when I get it.

PS - if anyone knows a better DVD extraction utility than Mac the Ripper, please let me know. MtR v3 is really flakey and no version can handle the newer DVD's with the deliberate bad sectors.

Dave 27-03-2008 08:02 PM

So the Iphone rumour of the day is that the pro will have 3g and a second camera for 3g video calling.

Ridcully 27-03-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
It may come, you never know.

I may rip some small stuff for the iPhone when I get it.

PS - if anyone knows a better DVD extraction utility than Mac the Ripper, please let me know. MtR v3 is really flakey and no version can handle the newer DVD's with the deliberate bad sectors.

I thought you had a mini Brett? Can the AppleTV handle streaming HD?

Dave 27-03-2008 11:00 PM

yes

Brett 27-03-2008 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ridcully
I thought you had a mini Brett? Can the AppleTV handle streaming HD?
I do have a G4 Mini but it cannot handle the HD content. It suffers from integrated graphics; it doesn't seem to matter if files are encoded or not, it judders away and looks shite.

I've also got a US iTunes account so I'm renting heaps of HD movies on the aTV at rock bottom prices.

It's a shame that Apple want to persist with two distinct products in the Mini and aTV with neither fully capable of being a true media hub. If they really want to insist on having two products, the aTV should at least be a convergance device. Stripped down OS X a la iPhone to run Safari together with a BD drive, the current aTV firmware and hardware. It would blow everything else out of the water.

On a different note, isn't it amazing that when you upgrade to an infinitely more powerful machine than your last, the jump doesn't seem that huge. Then, a few months later, you switch on the older girl and the chasm in spec seems even wider than you thought. It's an interesting mind trick.

KingsleY 27-03-2008 11:30 PM

Just got myself an iphone a couple of days ago. Fantastic bit of kit. Probably a new one out in the summer, but I couldnt wait! :D

Great using BBC iplayer on it!

Anyone got any favourite apps for it?

Ridcully 28-03-2008 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
yes
How does it do that then? I assume the fact that my Mini (Solo) suffers due to either the GFX Card, Memory or the Centrino processor. How has the AppleTV got more mustard for these things for such a low price? I was considering this earlier on when paf threw in the Popcorn device but hadn't thought about it that much, instead I thought I'd ask the uber masters on the bbs.

Neil 15-04-2008 01:47 PM

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/O2_to_c...%C2%A3100.html

O2 and Carphone to cut 100 from price of the iPhone

The iPhone is set to be cut to 169 as part of a limited offer from O2.

The 100 reduction, which will apply to the 8GB device on any O2 tariff, will take place tomorrow (Wednesday) and will run until 1 June.

It follows T-Mobile's decision to reduce the price of the handset from 315 to 78 in Germany.

With price cuts and iPhone stock reportedly running low and not being replenished in the US, France and UK, speculation is mounting about the release date of the 3G version of the device.

The price reduction follows O2's decision to increase the minutes and texts included in its 35 a month tariffs to 600 minutes and 500 texts in, up from 200 minutes and 200 texts.

The 16GB iPhone will not be included in the offer, and will remain 329.

Dave 15-04-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ridcully
How does it do that then? I assume the fact that my Mini (Solo) suffers due to either the GFX Card, Memory or the Centrino processor. How has the AppleTV got more mustard for these things for such a low price? I was considering this earlier on when paf threw in the Popcorn device but hadn't thought about it that much, instead I thought I'd ask the uber masters on the bbs.
Does the H264 in hardware

Dave 15-04-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neil
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/O2_to_c...%C2%A3100.html

O2 and Carphone to cut 100 from price of the iPhone

The iPhone is set to be cut to 169 as part of a limited offer from O2.

The 100 reduction, which will apply to the 8GB device on any O2 tariff, will take place tomorrow (Wednesday) and will run until 1 June.

It follows T-Mobile's decision to reduce the price of the handset from 315 to 78 in Germany.

With price cuts and iPhone stock reportedly running low and not being replenished in the US, France and UK, speculation is mounting about the release date of the 3G version of the device.

The price reduction follows O2's decision to increase the minutes and texts included in its 35 a month tariffs to 600 minutes and 500 texts in, up from 200 minutes and 200 texts.

The 16GB iPhone will not be included in the offer, and will remain 329.

Amazing deal.

Niceaction 15-04-2008 01:57 PM

Im think i'm still going to wait for a 32gig 3g version.

Dave 15-04-2008 01:58 PM

It's going to cost...

I wouldn't pass this up

Niceaction 15-04-2008 02:08 PM

I agree that this is a real bargain, but 3g, a 5mb camera and 32gig would all be worth the extra cost to me.

CPFC Town 15-04-2008 05:43 PM

So tempted but i just got given a 16GB touch for my brithday a few weeks back.

Although its currently with Apple being repaired as it donsent even work properly!

ho hum!

Brett 15-04-2008 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
I wouldn't pass this up
I'm not. I was waiting for 3G but this is too good to refuse.

Dave 15-04-2008 11:31 PM

Enjoy

Brett 15-04-2008 11:36 PM

o2 not taking online orders due to demand and I work in the only major town centre without either an o2 shop or Carphone Warehouse :(

Dave 15-04-2008 11:41 PM

Can't you get someone to but it for you? They don't need to sign contracts etc, just buy the phone

CPFC Town 16-04-2008 07:07 AM

Now reduced and available on the CPW website.

Neil 16-04-2008 09:26 AM

Read somewhere that if you take a contract (can't remember what type, sorry) as well and use Quidco, the phone would essentially only cost 68.

It was somewhere on the hotukdeals site.

Brett 16-04-2008 09:42 AM

I've got it! Gotta love flexi hours ;)

Dave 16-04-2008 09:49 AM

Nice one, try and activate asap - loads of people will be activating phones today - could be a very long wait

Brett 16-04-2008 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Nice one, try and activate asap - loads of people will be activating phones today - could be a very long wait
Wish I could; I'm now stuck at work with my spanking new iPhone in my drawer whilst I field stupid systems enquiries.

Dave, do you use your dock much or do you just plug the USB cable straight in? I assume data transfer speeds are not affected by having an extra passthrough?

Dave 16-04-2008 11:04 AM

I don't have a dock.

Transfer speeds are not an issue, plug it in via usb last thing at night, get todays podcasts - done!

Brett 16-04-2008 05:43 PM

I failed the online credit check. WTF? I have an unblemished credit history over the past 18 months.

Edit - passed now. I remember now why I left o2 before! ;)

Ridcully 16-04-2008 11:09 PM

o2 are awful when it comes to credit ratings. Blacklisted me as they reckoned I owed then 12p (one days line rental), I wish they were available with a decent carrier rather than those idiots.

Brett 17-04-2008 03:01 PM

The hassle was worth it - this is a really cool device.

I'm a bit stunned why so many people are queueing up (well, on the Beeb) to knock it. People should remember that this is the first true phone Apple have created. Comparing it to phones from Nokia and their 25+ years experience in the field, the iPhone holds up amazingly well and can't be denied the fact that it's shaken long-time cell phone manufacturers in their boots, all in less than a year.

If it's a shit device, why is everyone now copying it? :)

CPFC Town 17-04-2008 10:10 PM

Anyone know how watchable is BBC iplayer via EDGE internet??

Dave 17-04-2008 10:13 PM

It won't let you

CPFC Town 17-04-2008 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
It won't let you
hmmm. Thanks for letting me know. :p

Brett 21-04-2008 09:04 AM

I'm having to take this puppy back.

The sound is horrific on speaker and via the earbuds. Distortion, scratching and buzzing on anything above +1 volume on speaker and 50% on earbuds.

I don't have any of this on my iPod Nano so I'm a bit shocked and disappointed that the self-styled world's best iPod is so shite.

Is anybody else having or had problems with the sound?

Dave 21-04-2008 10:33 AM

Sounds like a fault

Brett 21-04-2008 10:42 AM

I can't listen watch YouTube at all as any sound on it is distorted totally; really horrible noise from it.

Are you not meant to watch YouTube without having the earbuds in? I can't believe that is the intention.

Dave 21-04-2008 10:45 AM

You have a fault

Brett 21-04-2008 11:31 AM

I know - I'm just trying to eek out of having to go back to CPW. Shopping holocaust.

Dave 21-04-2008 11:37 AM

Sucks, bad luck :(

Brett 21-04-2008 08:44 PM

Hmm - I tweaked a bass setting in the iPod settings and the problem has gone away.

Going to monitor it a bit before the returns period expires but seems promising.

Dave 21-04-2008 08:55 PM

I tweaked nada

KingsleY 21-04-2008 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brett
Hmm - I tweaked a bass setting in the iPod settings and the problem has gone away.

Going to monitor it a bit before the returns period expires but seems promising.

Safer taking it back..don't want the proble return the day after the return period!

toucaneagle 29-04-2008 10:05 AM

Hot off the press...

Foxconn, who manufacture the iphone for Apple, has reportedly been given an order for 3m units of the next gen 3G iphone with production set to start in May. Probable announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference keynote on June 9th. The interesting part is that the total order is for 24-25 million units over the life-cycle of the product.

Sounds like Apple think this is a killer device...

knowlesyUCLA 29-04-2008 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toucaneagle
Hot off the press...

Foxconn, who manufacture the iphone for Apple, has reportedly been given an order for 3m units of the next gen 3G iphone with production set to start in May. Probable announcement at the World Wide Developers Conference keynote on June 9th. The interesting part is that the total order is for 24-25 million units over the life-cycle of the product.

Sounds like Apple think this is a killer device...

well 3G solves the most apparent problem with the iphone, that of limited data streaming over GPRS (/whatever it uses?). the internet function of the phone, plus the nice little bits like Google Maps, youtube, really rely heavily on solid consistent data streaming. Once they alleviate that problem, tweak the software a little bit, minor things here and there, they will indeed have a killer device. i really feel it will do for the mobile telecommunications industry what the ipod did for the mp3 playing industry. (well what i mean is it will have a similar impact in terms of growth in market share, phones are already ready big business and there are a number of respected players, unlike the pre-ipod mp3 days).

interesting times indeed.

One thing i would like them to tweak is that when you are writing emails, notes, using the applications on the home page, you cant turn the screen thus lengthening the keyboard. i dont know why this is but its pretty annoying.

Dave 29-04-2008 11:13 AM

3G presents it's own problems/ How likely are 02 to ship unlimited data, not very. 3G will murder battery life and generate more heat.

I'll still be getting one when they eventually get released here although I expect that will be a bit away.

Dave 29-04-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

One thing i would like them to tweak is that when you are writing emails, notes, using the applications on the home page, you cant turn the screen thus lengthening the keyboard. i dont know why this is but its pretty annoying.
fixed in next release iirc

Niceaction 09-06-2008 10:11 PM

What are peoples opinions with the Iphone 2 then? Overall, im pleased it has 3g though we will still have to see what data restrictions O2 put in place, and GPS is good. Disapointed not to get a 32gig one, only 8 and 16gig available at the moment.

The biggest headline though is the price, with it looking to be just over 100 for the 8gig and 150 for the 16gig.

They come out on the 11th July, and I will be getting one then.

Dave 09-06-2008 10:20 PM

Much discussion on the mac thread.

I think it's an amazing deal, will be interested to see the details on the upgrade and as you say the data restrictions by 02

Brett 09-06-2008 10:57 PM

o2 need a fundamental overhaul of their 3g coverage or it will remain just an expensive gimmick that fails to justify the hype (3g not the iPhone).

Dave 09-06-2008 11:01 PM

Is 02's 3G poor?

Brett 09-06-2008 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Is 02's 3G poor?
Shite is a better word to use.

Stavros 69 18-06-2008 02:01 PM

http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...sons-not-.html

Brett 18-06-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stavros 69
http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...sons-not-.html
What is the relevance of a blog written before the iPhone was released (especially all these months down the line)?

toucaneagle 18-06-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stavros 69
http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/mon...sons-not-.html
Little bit out of date Stav.... keep up.

Icy 25-06-2008 11:22 AM

I-Phone help question: How do i use the songs on my ipod as ringtones on convert them for use as a ringtone?

Does anyone know?

Dave 25-06-2008 11:25 AM

yes - convert the files to M4R - add to itunes is supposed to be the way

KingsleY 25-06-2008 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Icy
I-Phone help question: How do i use the songs on my ipod as ringtones on convert them for use as a ringtone?

Does anyone know?

Cut the file down to less than 40 seconds via Windows Movie Maker.
Import file into Itunes
Itunes will then convert the song into a different format.
Find the newly connverted file, and change the file extention to m4r.
Drag and drop the m4r file into Itunes.

Finished.
Not too difficult

James Melody 25-06-2008 01:10 PM

Now it will sync with exchange I am thnking of getting one..

Dave 25-06-2008 01:49 PM

It always let you pull down mail and send email via exchange

push is all that is new

nookiebear 25-06-2008 02:17 PM

Does the Iphone have a voice recorder on it?

Dave 25-06-2008 02:47 PM

No,

James Melody 25-06-2008 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
It always let you pull down mail and send email via exchange

push is all that is new

Yes but it is a big plus for me, and other blackberry users as well.

Dave 25-06-2008 03:19 PM

Um why?

Downloading over IMAP is pretty much the same, although having your IMAP server accssible on the internet might scare some people.

Icy 25-06-2008 03:32 PM

Cheers guys. Managed to get movies on it so even though im an IT ****** i should be able to get there from that. :p

Dave 25-06-2008 03:44 PM

I found it tricky

glaziers fan 25-06-2008 03:53 PM

Shame about the 2mb camera, but I am counting down the days. My life is about to change :)

Dave 25-06-2008 04:06 PM

yes, yes it will


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