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I didnít read any comments, just saw the video and wondered what others thought
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I didnít read any comments, just saw the video and wondered what others thought
Itís put together by far right activist Danny roscoe and supported by the likes of Tommy Robinson and his EDL mates.

Iím not all that keen on supporting them by watching it.
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It’s put together by far right activist Danny roscoe and supported by the likes of Tommy Robinson and his EDL mates.

I’m not all that keen on supporting them by watching it.
Serious question, (and not challenging what you say) why would a black man support a far right group?

I’ve deleted the link if that is the case
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Serious question, (and not challenging what you say) why would a black man support a far right group?
**** knows. I watched some of it as it didnít seem fair not too. The bloke moans about politics being in football with The taking of the knee and then goes on to complain about FIFA banning poppies. I gave up watching when he put up a picture of Rashford and whinged that players donít know anything about poverty and donít give back to their communities.

Had to give up at that point as it was simple far right activism.

I take you at face value when you say you didnít know who he was and hadnít read the comments but Iíd suggest you delete the link and Iíll do the same.
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Serious question, (and not challenging what you say) why would a black man support a far right group?
Maybe because he doesn't see the colour of his skin as a barrier to being anti communist , ultra nationalist and authoritarian .
He has seen past his colour , something that 'taking the knee' is supposed to be promoting .

Or are we only allowed to be colour blind if its on the terms of left wing ideology ?

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**** knows. I watched some of it as it didnít seem fair not too. The bloke moans about politics being in football with The taking of the knee and then goes on to complain about FIFA banning poppies. I gave up watching when he put up a picture of Rashford and whinged that players donít know anything about poverty and donít give back to their communities.

Had to give up at that point as it was simple far right activism.

I take you at face value when you say you didnít know who he was and hadnít read the comments but Iíd suggest you delete the link and Iíll do the same.
Appeared to me he was highlighting the contradiction of selective approval of certain political gestures by the authorities and thus in the interests of consistency prohibit them all?
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Appeared to me he was highlighting the contradiction of selective approval of certain political gestures by the authorities and thus in the interests of consistency prohibit them all?
I know. Lazy and simplistic isnít it?

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**** knows. I watched some of it as it didnít seem fair not too. The bloke moans about politics being in football with The taking of the knee and then goes on to complain about FIFA banning poppies. I gave up watching when he put up a picture of Rashford and whinged that players donít know anything about poverty and donít give back to their communities.

Had to give up at that point as it was simple far right activism.

I take you at face value when you say you didnít know who he was and hadnít read the comments but Iíd suggest you delete the link and Iíll do the same.
Not really politics though, it's a social issue. Only the far right would think issues are racial prejudice and racism in football was a political issue.
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Old 11-06-2021, 09:17 AM
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**** knows. I watched some of it as it didnít seem fair not too. The bloke moans about politics being in football with The taking of the knee and then goes on to complain about FIFA banning poppies. I gave up watching when he put up a picture of Rashford and whinged that players donít know anything about poverty and donít give back to their communities.

Had to give up at that point as it was simple far right activism.

I take you at face value when you say you didnít know who he was and hadnít read the comments but Iíd suggest you delete the link and Iíll do the same.
FIFA banning poppies kind of makes sense, when you think about it, in relation to the international game, given the history of the British militarily with quite a few International Nations. I don't really agree with that, but I can see why it might be an issue for some African nations FAs, Asian Nations FAs and say the Argentine FA.

But I'm also generally of the opinion that I have no interest at all in what the likes of Robinson and Roscoe have to say, as they rarely actually mean what they say, rather its about highjacking issues for political support.

For all their 'stance on Grooming gangs' they actually did f**k all except exploit it for their own recruitment, whilst simultaneously distracting attention from those who did actually bring it to light. All it was for them was a chance to create greater divisions for their own gain.
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I see in the 'Auld Enemy' Euro fixture England will be taking the knee but Scotland have deemed it unnecessary. Gawd if the countries were reversed the Jocks would need oxygen tanks as they'd be on such high horses.
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FIFA banning poppies kind of makes sense, when you think about it, in relation to the international game, given the history of the British militarily with quite a few International Nations. I don't really agree with that, but I can see why it might be an issue for some African nations FAs, Asian Nations FAs and say the Argentine FA.
Forgive me if this has already been covered in another thread and I don't intend to derail this one but...I have always understood the poppy to be a symbol of remembrance of all those whose lives were lost in the 1st World War (on all sides of the conflict) and hence it's association with WW1 Armistice Day, 11th November. With the poppy symbol being hijacked and associated with all wars and essentially the British soldier, it's meaning has been tarnished and it is sadly now a controversial symbol which FIFA chooses to ban.

The purity of "taking the knee" in support of anti-racism has also been hijacked by it's association with BLM, the political group and yet there is no talk of banning "the knee". Rightly so as it happens. Nonetheless it is a shame that a similar defence cannot be made for the use of the poppy as a symbol of Remembrance.
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Maybe because he doesn't see the colour of his skin as a barrier to being anti communist , ultra nationalist and authoritarian .
He has seen past his colour , something that 'taking the knee' is supposed to be promoting .

Or are we only allowed to be colour blind if its on the terms of left wing ideology ?
Given the people he is assocating himself with are a bunch of nasty racist ****s then it isn't seeing past race at all is it. Indeed if there is racism in society how can you see past race, it's something that needs to be dealt with.

There have always been a few people from minority groups who latch on to far right groups. Doesn't make the views of the far right any better or any more acceptable.
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Forgive me if this has already been covered in another thread and I don't intend to derail this one but...I have always understood the poppy to be a symbol of remembrance of all those whose lives were lost in the 1st World War (on all sides of the conflict) and hence it's association with WW1 Armistice Day, 11th November. With the poppy symbol being hijacked and associated with all wars and essentially the British soldier, it's meaning has been tarnished and it is sadly now a controversial symbol which FIFA chooses to ban.

The purity of "taking the knee" in support of anti-racism has also been hijacked by it's association with BLM, the political group and yet there is no talk of banning "the knee". Rightly so as it happens. Nonetheless it is a shame that a similar defence cannot be made for the use of the poppy as a symbol of Remembrance.
I think that's the 'story', but its very much a British thing and supports the British Legion, though its also a Commonwealth thing. Not every country in the world though is going to have such as positive view of British veterans - and its primarily a British thing (not an English thing).

The rest of the world doesn't share a British perception, and FIFA (and god do I hate defending them) have to represent all of its member states, not just ours. If it was the FA banning poppies on shirts etc, I'd be angry as f**k - but FIFA represent all footballing nations.

People like Robinson and Roscoe don't tend to think critically or in terms that their perception of something may well be different from others, reasonable isn't a forte of extreme political views, because if they were reasonable they wouldn't exist.
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Maybe because he doesn't see the colour of his skin as a barrier to being anti communist , ultra nationalist and authoritarian .
He has seen past his colour , something that 'taking the knee' is supposed to be promoting .

Or are we only allowed to be colour blind if its on the terms of left wing ideology ?
Its a bit of a misnomer that all Far Right Groups are racist. In more recent decades certain groups have certainly at least had the pretense of being 'Nationalist' in definition, and typically shifted their 'presentation' towards being about 'citizens vs immigrants'.

The EDL is definitely one of them, though it does have an issue with racists in the organisation, its tried to distance itself in the past from the BNP and National Front. You'll even find people in the BNP who are not racist (though the BNP is a racist party, its rhetoric is definitely scaled back from the National Front).

The BNP for example, split from the National Front, and one of the primary reasons was to 'move away from basing their political policy around race' - as this was clearly very unpopular outside the Party. Now that doesn't mean that the BNP isn't racist, or doesn't have racist members, its just means they're much more careful to avoid race.

The reality is probably that they're are racists within the EDL, but that its not a central theme of the party. Most Unionist and Loyalist groups are deeply racist, but will often avoid talking about race and their views to protect their position (Sectarianism is another matter).

Personally, I don't see why anyone would be a member of a far right group, let alone people who are gay, black or women. But then the NF never recovered from the fact that a large number of its openly homophobic leadership were in fact gay or bisexual. Gay people are also Catholics, Women support movements that regard women as being property.

Humans are complex, and often the reasons for joining a far right group aren't even political. I know at least two people through my dad in AA who were in the National Front because they loved to fight (neither really gave much of s**t about race or racial politics - the appeal of the NF to them was the violence - When they quit drinking (and in both cases drugs) they completely changed.
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There have always been a few people from minority groups who latch on to far right groups. Doesn't make the views of the far right any better or any more acceptable.
Comedy gold from someone who was happy to quote far left Jewish individuals and groups regularly at me. What's wrong the wrong type of black guy.
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Given the people he is assocating himself with are a bunch of nasty racist ****s then it isn't seeing past race at all is it. Indeed if there is racism in society how can you see past race, it's something that needs to be dealt with.

There have always been a few people from minority groups who latch on to far right groups. Doesn't make the views of the far right any better or any more acceptable.
I didn't really say he was seeing past race I said he was seeing past the colour of his skin which was the question posed .

I would slightly disagree with your last sentence CR . People from all walks of life join right wing groups including people from the far right . They are rightly pushed to the fringes or over time barred .

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