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If you recall, they were awarded perpetual use of Magaluf in lieu, and opened the Benny Hill Bar in recognition.
Unfortunately Maidstoned seems to have annexed it for himself so us horny-handed sons of toil need somewhere else for our Cosmonautics Day celebrations.
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I’m told the collapse of Russian lines in ne Kherson is a story that is still in progress. Understand Ukraine has moved south by at least 20km since yesterday. “It could be even more interesting by the morning,” a recon soldier tells me.
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The Hitler comparison is flawed, but if a war had been waged with Germany when they invaded the Sudetenland, to push them back within their borders, and a peace then negotiated, it might have prevented the Holocaust and the loss in war of tens of millions of lives.
I say again, we’re not going to invade Russia or attempt regime change so at some point - there will be a pact.
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Im told the collapse of Russian lines in ne Kherson is a story that is still in progress. Understand Ukraine has moved south by at least 20km since yesterday. It could be even more interesting by the morning, a recon soldier tells me.
Russian sources are claiming that their troops have pulled back even further to the city of Beryslav (about 50k away). If correct, there could be one helluva lot orcs trapped on the north bank of the Dnipro.


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The Hitler comparison is flawed, but if a war had been waged with Germany when they invaded the Sudetenland, to push them back within their borders, and a peace then negotiated, it might have prevented the Holocaust and the loss in war of tens of millions of lives.
I say again, were not going to invade Russia or attempt regime change so at some point - there will be a pact.
Any success would also likely, in hindsight, broken the popular appeal of the National Socialists party in Germany.

Ukraine / Russia almost certain ends with a pact, or the fall of Putin. Likely with certain regions becoming autonomous, as that's more or less acceptable as a climb down point. The longer it goes on, the harder a reasonable compromise becomes for Russia.

Escalation for Russia, by drawing NATO in is a zero gain for them. They're struggling at present, drawing direct NATO engagement, backed by the US, will lose them everthing they might hope to gain - on their current performance, they'd be pushed out of the Ukraine entirely.
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Apparently the Russians are trying to call in air support via social media
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And you would have negotiated with Hitler?

Fear of extending the war or nuclear war shouldn't stop us from doing the right thing which is no concessions.

The time for concessions has long since passed.

Putin isn't going to risk all out Nuclear war over Crimea and the Donbass.

If Russia uses a tactical nuke in Ukraine, I'm pretty confident the NATO response will be strong enough to make the Russian leadership shit themselves but China, India and other countries would also sanction Russia and completely cripple their economy.
If Putin actually starts a nuclear war, whoever is left will look back and question why more wasn't done to negotiate peace. Of course Ukraine are right to continue with their offence at the moment but, as others have said, Putin needs an off ramp to stop the war or he will use chemical and nuclear weapons.

You keep talking about him as if he is a rational human being, he is not (if you looked closely at the back of his head I'm sure you'll find 666).
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If Putin actually starts a nuclear war, whoever is left will look back and question why more wasn't done to negotiate peace. Of course Ukraine are right to continue with their offence at the moment but, as others have said, Putin needs an off ramp to stop the war or he will use chemical and nuclear weapons.

You keep talking about him as if he is a rational human being, he is not (if you looked closely at the back of his head I'm sure you'll find 666).
He's not going to start off an all out nuclear war.

You keep talking about him as if he's impulsive and reactive when he's not.

He's always been strategic and calculated.

If he drops a tactical nuke on Ukraine and takes out a small city, it's game over for him.

The whole world will turn against him, Russia's economy will nose dive and NATO will destroy Russia's military capabilities.

Why you then think he'll then nuke the whole of Europe in response makes little sense, he's not suicidal and nor are the people around him, they're about self-preservation.
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Russian sources are claiming that their troops have pulled back even further to the city of Beryslav......
Out of interest, do Russians define anywhere with a house as a city? Beryslav looks a bit like a one horse town to me.
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