Home | Forums | Gallery | Twitter
 
CPFC BBS  

Go Back   CPFC BBS Ľ Off Topic Ľ The Politics Forum

Notices

The Politics Forum Discussions that are wholly or mainly concerned with UK politics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #130061  
Old 04-05-2021, 12:06 PM
dogstar721 dogstar721 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,634
Rep Power: 21474846
dogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Wort View Post
I'm not sure it was that easy a decision for Johnson.

I mean, how many Tory donors, old Etonians, Oxonian Bullingdon buddies, pub landlord chums, money-grabbing management consultants, and so on ad infinitum, have benefitted from this decision?
I guess it depends how many of them have shares in various pharmaceutical companies. In effect they were buying something that didn't yet exist, might never exist and might never work, in advance. If you had shares in the assorted Pharma companies, it probably was fairly lucrative.

But it worked and worked well, so credit where its due. Unlike the fiasco of track and trace...
Reply With Quote
  #130062  
Old 04-05-2021, 12:23 PM
Adlerhorst's Avatar
Adlerhorst Adlerhorst is offline
Ichiro!
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Hertfordshire
Age: 43
Posts: 74,041
Rep Power: 21474854
Adlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is hereAdlerhorst Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogstar721 View Post
I guess it depends how many of them have shares in various pharmaceutical companies. In effect they were buying something that didn't yet exist, might never exist and might never work, in advance. If you had shares in the assorted Pharma companies, it probably was fairly lucrative.

But it worked and worked well, so credit where its due. Unlike the fiasco of track and trace...
The whole £37bn fiasco is only partly a fiasco, because the vast vast majority of that money is spent on testing (which after a poor start was sorted quickly and really is extremely good now), and not track and trace. And to be fair, no one in Europe has got track and trace right.
__________________
The Defector looks like no other breaking pitch in the game. It is well-supinated, leaving the right hand of Fernandez at a fastball trajectory before the laws of physics cease to apply and the laws of awesome take over.
Reply With Quote
  #130063  
Old 04-05-2021, 12:47 PM
weltklasse's Avatar
weltklasse weltklasse is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Horsham, West Sussex
Posts: 39,498
Rep Power: 21474857
weltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Worksop Palace View Post
You talking about Ďreasonable contribution to these boardsí has sent the irony meter off the scale.

Quite incredible
Lack of self awareness non shocker and still unable to engage on the real subject matter. The failings are all yours.
__________________
Don't worry, boys, we'll weather this storm of approval and come out as hated as ever.

SaulAlinsky
Reply With Quote
  #130064  
Old 04-05-2021, 12:53 PM
weltklasse's Avatar
weltklasse weltklasse is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Horsham, West Sussex
Posts: 39,498
Rep Power: 21474857
weltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is hereweltklasse Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adlerhorst View Post
The whole £37bn fiasco is only partly a fiasco, because the vast vast majority of that money is spent on testing (which after a poor start was sorted quickly and really is extremely good now), and not track and trace. And to be fair, no one in Europe has got track and trace right.
Its interesting my intial thoughts were that the failings of track and trace would be down to european individuals being less comfortable with handing over personal data however the reality is far more complex

To view the link you have to Register or Login
__________________
Don't worry, boys, we'll weather this storm of approval and come out as hated as ever.

SaulAlinsky
Reply With Quote
  #130065  
Old 04-05-2021, 01:15 PM
dogstar721 dogstar721 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,634
Rep Power: 21474846
dogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is heredogstar721 Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adlerhorst View Post
The whole £37bn fiasco is only partly a fiasco, because the vast vast majority of that money is spent on testing (which after a poor start was sorted quickly and really is extremely good now), and not track and trace. And to be fair, no one in Europe has got track and trace right.
The solution was a disaster, that could never comply with even the most rudimentary concept of IT Security. I don't work in IT Security and could see that the solutions design could never comply with basic IT Security requirements.

It doesn't matter who gets it right or wrong, the expectation is that this a) wasn't that a) that difficult b) didn't work c) existing solutions were already available to utilise d) rewarded to a individual and company with a history of failure and data loss.

It such a success that they changed the name of it to test and trace.
Reply With Quote
  #130066  
Old 04-05-2021, 01:38 PM
Les Butler's Avatar
Les Butler Les Butler is offline
Ex Waddon bloke
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Montrťal Canada
Age: 62
Posts: 50,563
Rep Power: 21474859
Les Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogstar721 View Post
Yes, he did, but it wasn't exactly difficult decision making, buy up in advance and trust the NHS to deliver. He only looks good because the EU ****ed it up. Achieving basic achievements isn't really worthy success. It's like me claiming I'm noteworthy because I've never beaten my wife. That's basically assumed.
Most see that the vaccine rollout has been fantastic. From start-up to finish, you have one death today.

As a country, you are operating outside of the EU, and you are the envy of the world for getting it right.

You will be one of the first to taste normality, where millions will still face illness, lockdowns and death for a while to come while you may go on holiday.

This site is obviously, obsessively anti-Tory anti-Boris, but outside of it by the polls and opinion. It is not. The last Election tells anyone who doubts that by the size of the loss.

Just the outcry at me for suggesting that the Tories have got something right completely lacks objectivity and a rational perspective by few in here, desperately trying to disprove any link to another loss that was Brexit, shouting quotes and losing it because to admit the EU fecked up royally and Boris did good is to admit to another defeat.

You diminish everything that countries worldwide are praying for and want, if it's the vaccines, the rollouts or test and trace.

Yep, Boris is a disaster outside of all the above, but the above out trumps wallpaper, nasty tell-all soundbites, fecking around and making a bit of dosh on the side which would normally spell a downfall.

You are going to have to wait a year or two for that to matter again.
__________________
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
Reply With Quote
  #130067  
Old 04-05-2021, 02:14 PM
Hpalace Hpalace is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 16,882
Rep Power: 21474842
Hpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is hereHpalace Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Les Butler View Post
Most see that the vaccine rollout has been fantastic. From start-up to finish, you have one death today.

As a country, you are operating outside of the EU, and you are the envy of the world for getting it right.

You will be one of the first to taste normality, where millions will still face illness, lockdowns and death for a while to come while you may go on holiday.

This site is obviously, obsessively anti-Tory anti-Boris, but outside of it by the polls and opinion. It is not. The last Election tells anyone who doubts that by the size of the loss.

Just the outcry at me for suggesting that the Tories have got something right completely lacks objectivity and a rational perspective by few in here, desperately trying to disprove any link to another loss that was Brexit, shouting quotes and losing it because to admit the EU fecked up royally and Boris did good is to admit to another defeat.

You diminish everything that countries worldwide are praying for and want, if it's the vaccines, the rollouts or test and trace.

Yep, Boris is a disaster outside of all the above, but the above out trumps wallpaper, nasty tell-all soundbites, fecking around and making a bit of dosh on the side which would normally spell a downfall.

You are going to have to wait a year or two for that to matter again.
No one 'lost it' or 'shouted'. You just fail to counter the argument with anything but petty accusations.

1: The UK vaccine role out is excellent
2: The EU vaccine role out is shite
3: The Tories, BJ and Hancock can rightly claim credit for the vaccine role out. Its been great - they took a lot of risk and it paid off and is still to pay off further with Novavax potentially coming on line soonish.
4: The fact that AZ/Oxford is being sold at cost worldwide is another Tory win. That's a fantastic projection of soft power worldwide which will save countless lives.

For all that BJ, the Tories, The NHS etc all get a big

What is incorrect however is to say it had anything to do with Brexit. The overwhelming evidence points to the uk doing what the uk did last time there was a pandemic; when the UK was in the EU and the government were the other colour. The UK health minister publically told the UK citizens why the decision was made. He said

""The insight that was so necessary at the start was that the big pressure on vaccines internationally would not be before they were approved - of course, there was a huge amount of work then - but it was after they are approved.

"So, one of the things I did early (on), was insist that when we had the Oxford vaccine, and we backed it from the start and that was great, I insisted that UK production protects people in the UK in the first instance. And, as the UK Health Secretary, that is my duty."

The decision was about vaccine security for UK citizens and to begin with, only uk citizens. It wasn't about price, or getting a better deal by going in together. It was about securing the manufacture of vaccines in the uk for uk citizens as a priority. Everyone else comes next.

Fair play to him as well. What it was however not about was Brexit. The position on this isn't even against Brexit or anti-brexit ffs. Its just nothing to do with Brexit. It's about vaccine security strategy. The UK and the US secured their vaccine by funding the vaccines from the start and building infrastructure for the pharma companies to make the vaccines domestically. Other countries like Israel sacrificed their citizens data to secure vaccine as their strategy. The EU and Canada took a different strategy and so far it hasn't gone great. Some EU countries are abandoning that strategy.

As Barnier said "He told France Inter: "It is true that there were mistakes at the start - why? Because we wanted to decide for 27 and not on our own. ""It is easier to decide on our own, rather than as 27, especially since we didn't have that expertise in Europe.

"This is one of the lessons to be learned. Perhaps there are issues in Europe where it will be necessary to hand over the decision-making to the country, or to the region."

They ****ed up and they know they ****ed up.
Reply With Quote
  #130068  
Old 04-05-2021, 02:41 PM
Les Butler's Avatar
Les Butler Les Butler is offline
Ex Waddon bloke
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Montrťal Canada
Age: 62
Posts: 50,563
Rep Power: 21474859
Les Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is hereLes Butler Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hpalace View Post

1: The UK vaccine role out is excellent
2: The EU vaccine role out is shite
3: The Tories, BJ and Hancock can rightly claim credit for the vaccine role out. Its been great - they took a lot of risk and it paid off and is still to pay off further with Novavax potentially coming on line soonish.
4: The fact that AZ/Oxford is being sold at cost worldwide is another Tory win. That's a fantastic projection of soft power worldwide which will save countless lives.

For all that BJ, the Tories, The NHS etc all get a big

.
Spot on !
__________________
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
Reply With Quote
  #130069  
Old 04-05-2021, 02:51 PM
Johnybegood Johnybegood is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,980
Rep Power: 21474841
Johnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Les Butler View Post
Most see that the vaccine rollout has been fantastic. From start-up to finish, you have one death today.

As a country, you are operating outside of the EU, and you are the envy of the world for getting it right.

You will be one of the first to taste normality, where millions will still face illness, lockdowns and death for a while to come while you may go on holiday.

This site is obviously, obsessively anti-Tory anti-Boris, but outside of it by the polls and opinion. It is not. The last Election tells anyone who doubts that by the size of the loss.

Just the outcry at me for suggesting that the Tories have got something right completely lacks objectivity and a rational perspective by few in here, desperately trying to disprove any link to another loss that was Brexit, shouting quotes and losing it because to admit the EU fecked up royally and Boris did good is to admit to another defeat.

You diminish everything that countries worldwide are praying for and want, if it's the vaccines, the rollouts or test and trace.

Yep, Boris is a disaster outside of all the above, but the above out trumps wallpaper, nasty tell-all soundbites, fecking around and making a bit of dosh on the side which would normally spell a downfall.

You are going to have to wait a year or two for that to matter again.
Am presuming this was aimed partly at me although my outcries, lack of lack of objectivity and irrationality were not intended to be aimed at you personally Les, more the narrative that BJ has come out of this smelling of roses.

Absolutely the NHS and key decision makers in the vaccine procurement and rollout deserve loud applause but I don't want their efforts where some have literally died for doing their job be claimed as part of the BJ populist, man of the people etc.

Credit where credit is due but BJ to me stinks of bullshit throughout this Covid pandemic.....and any heightened use of irrational language you may have felt was aimed at you was entirely unintended.
Reply With Quote
  #130070  
Old 04-05-2021, 02:54 PM
CT_Palace's Avatar
CT_Palace CT_Palace is offline
Ex-Connecticut
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Santiago, Chile
Posts: 57,613
Rep Power: 21474848
CT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is hereCT_Palace Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hpalace View Post

As Barnier said "He told France Inter: "It is true that there were mistakes at the start - why? Because we wanted to decide for 27 and not on our own. ""It is easier to decide on our own, rather than as 27, especially since we didn't have that expertise in Europe.

"This is one of the lessons to be learned. Perhaps there are issues in Europe where it will be necessary to hand over the decision-making to the country, or to the region."

They ****ed up and they know they ****ed up.
This - the difficulty (inability?) of getting 27 individual democracies to agree on something - has always been one of my criticisms of the EU. There's no easy answer and as a result the whole organization can look, very rightly, like a lumbering headless elephant, quite devoid of direction. Not something that instills a great deal of confidence.
However, given the political will, there are answers and some sort of solution could be found to improve the control and decision making process (e.g. something like how the USA works - the Federal v State system they have).

What is disappointing is that our resident Brexiters don't focus on this sort of issue as a reason for Brexiting. Instead we have all the bullshit reasons based on ignorance that are consistently knocked back as just that, bullshit.
__________________
tired of the old one, cant think of a new one
Reply With Quote
  #130071  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:01 PM
Spindle's Avatar
Spindle Spindle is offline
Wrong, no I'm not angry
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 15,891
Rep Power: 21474841
Spindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Worksop Palace View Post
Hardly. Labour arenít exactly famous for their financial nouse are they.

He was a poor PM. Just didnít have the overall skills needed Iím afraid.

No, thanks to believers of the narrative like yourself.

To view the link you have to Register or Login
__________________
"You lot [BHA Supporters club] actively tried to get your ground turned into a retail park" - Adlerhorst
https://www.northstandchat.com/showt...secret-history
Reply With Quote
  #130072  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:04 PM
El Aguila's Avatar
El Aguila El Aguila is offline
Freakish nipples akimbo
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: On Green Dolphin Street.
Posts: 54,793
Rep Power: 21474857
El Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is here
Remember quite a few of the countries are federal and are used to separate competences at state level, metropolitan, and what have you. They're used to long negotiations between different powers and stakeholders, and across the board proportional representation kind of tilts things in that direction as well. People would mostly rather have it that way than something closer to dictatorship (which many of them can still remember), even if it is inefficient.
The vaccine campaign is going pretty quickly now.
__________________
Salt Peanuts! Salt Peanuts!
Reply With Quote
  #130073  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:06 PM
Spindle's Avatar
Spindle Spindle is offline
Wrong, no I'm not angry
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 15,891
Rep Power: 21474841
Spindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baffled Bob 2 View Post
Only if you believe the cliches.

That Labour government led the world in avoiding a depression. Brown was the PM. Why can't you credit him for that?
.....it's much easier to claim that he "raided everybodies pensions"
__________________
"You lot [BHA Supporters club] actively tried to get your ground turned into a retail park" - Adlerhorst
https://www.northstandchat.com/showt...secret-history
Reply With Quote
  #130074  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:17 PM
El Aguila's Avatar
El Aguila El Aguila is offline
Freakish nipples akimbo
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: On Green Dolphin Street.
Posts: 54,793
Rep Power: 21474857
El Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is hereEl Aguila Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adlerhorst View Post
The whole £37bn fiasco is only partly a fiasco, because the vast vast majority of that money is spent on testing (which after a poor start was sorted quickly and really is extremely good now), and not track and trace. And to be fair, no one in Europe has got track and trace right.
The Valencian community is apparently doing a great job with track and trace.
__________________
Salt Peanuts! Salt Peanuts!
Reply With Quote
  #130075  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:21 PM
Spindle's Avatar
Spindle Spindle is offline
Wrong, no I'm not angry
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 15,891
Rep Power: 21474841
Spindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is hereSpindle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnybegood View Post
Nadine Dorries thinks BJ has come up smelling of roses too as he has created 180k new jobs in Hartlepool nb there are only 92k people living in the town.

Nadines maths might be a little off but you gotta hand it to BJ anyway

To view the link you have to Register or Login

To view the link you have to Register or Login
Imagine if Diane Abbott had said this? No doubt the media would've been totally impartial.....

Google "Diane Abbott maths" and "Nadine Doris maths". Identical results, amazing....
__________________
"You lot [BHA Supporters club] actively tried to get your ground turned into a retail park" - Adlerhorst
https://www.northstandchat.com/showt...secret-history
Reply With Quote
  #130076  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:48 PM
Johnybegood Johnybegood is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,980
Rep Power: 21474841
Johnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spindle View Post
Imagine if Diane Abbott had said this? No doubt the media would've been totally impartial.....

Google "Diane Abbott maths" and "Nadine Doris maths". Identical results, amazing....
Or when Priti Patel gave the number "three hundred thousand, and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand" .....

she came out smelling of roses too! (No I am not making up that number although I think someone was) but again the Sidney Powell level of right wing biased narrative don't talk about this....strange that
Reply With Quote
  #130077  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:59 PM
Isle of Wight's Avatar
Isle of Wight Isle of Wight is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Back to the IOW
Age: 60
Posts: 14,923
Rep Power: 21474856
Isle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is hereIsle of Wight Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnybegood View Post
Indeed AJ, but it seems like the Tory/Brexit shills on here are somehow claiming the vaccine procurement validates their vote. But what they should consider as a consequence of their vote is that the UK has the worst health and economic outcome in Europe. Their leader went on national TV to tell us to take it on the chin and let it go through the herd and then allegedly said he would let dead bodies pile up, do they take credit for this too?

No, but they cling on to an entirely false narrative that as a result of Brexit we were able or weren't pressured into joining the EU procurement. It's a lie, we were part of the EU when we decided to not join, and was consistent with the procurement we had always chosen to do. They are just scrambling for any angle to justify what they did, like any spivvy shill does

Compare this to NicolaSturgeon, rightly giving the vaccine credit to the NHS and backing this up with a £500 bonus and a meaningful rise is salary to thank them for all their efforts during the pandemic, compared to the useless blond mop in Downing street, more concerned with picking expensive wallpaper, corruptly handing out taxpayer money for contracts to his cronys and giving the nurses a below inflation rise and a clap.

Anyone notice how quiet the taxpayers alliance have gone with the £240billion spent on a shit sandwich brexit while BJ runs up more debt than any peacetime leader
With you right up to Nicola Sturgen spending money provided for by that debt pile of Boris Johnson. The Tory handling of the pandemic has been as shit as elsewhere with a shed load of nepotism thrown in and they got lucky on the vaccine as it was a gamble that they really couldnít lose. Fail and itís just more crap to deal with succeed and it takes pressure away a and allows them to wave flags. Iím glad it has been a success but thatís down to some smart people running it compared to the awful French roll out for example.
__________________
Real Madrid: 2 Surreal Madrid: Fish

Member of the Magnificent 16
29th May 2004
Member of the Magnificent 1007
22nd May 2006
Member of the Magnificent 33000
27th May 2013
Member of the Strange Aircraft Clique
16th December 2018
Reply With Quote
  #130078  
Old 04-05-2021, 04:07 PM
Johnybegood Johnybegood is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,980
Rep Power: 21474841
Johnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is hereJohnybegood Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isle of Wight View Post
With you right up to Nicola Sturgen spending money provided for by that debt pile of Boris Johnson. The Tory handling of the pandemic has been as shit as elsewhere with a shed load of nepotism thrown in and they got lucky on the vaccine as it was a gamble that they really couldn’t lose. Fail and it’s just more crap to deal with succeed and it takes pressure away a and allows them to wave flags. I’m glad it has been a success but that’s down to some smart people running it compared to the awful French roll out for example.
Ok fair enough to differ on the pay rise for nurses (although I personally think they more than deserved it especially compared to the thousands of pounds a day (ahem £7,000 to be precise) the consultants on track and trace were charging)

but I think we agree that she was right to credit the covid response and vaccine success to NHS Scotland rather than claim it as her own, with elections looming
Reply With Quote
  #130079  
Old 04-05-2021, 04:34 PM
RazorsEdge's Avatar
RazorsEdge RazorsEdge is offline
I am a Bad Man
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: East Devon
Posts: 11,470
Rep Power: 21474847
RazorsEdge has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spindle View Post
Imagine if Diane Abbott had said this? No doubt the media would've been totally impartial.....

Google "Diane Abbott maths" and "Nadine Doris maths". Identical results, amazing....
You beat me to it.
Reply With Quote
  #130080  
Old 04-05-2021, 04:36 PM
Worksop Palace's Avatar
Worksop Palace Worksop Palace is offline
Lifeís too short for shit
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Age: 50
Posts: 39,167
Rep Power: 21474845
Worksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is hereWorksop Palace Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spindle View Post
Imagine if Diane Abbott had said this? No doubt the media would've been totally impartial.....

Google "Diane Abbott maths" and "Nadine Doris maths". Identical results, amazing....
What was the identical result ?

‘Both are absolutely useless politicians and as sharp as a sausage’ ?
__________________
It's the hope that kills you
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.