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Old 09-05-2021, 08:41 AM
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When the end of the curfew is formally announced in the UK we'll probably celebrate with a few cans in front of Netflix.
Blimey, I wasn’t even aware that we have a curfew in the UK!
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Old 09-05-2021, 08:44 AM
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:01 AM
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Blimey, I wasn’t even aware that we have a curfew in the UK!
Busted. We have a lockdown not curfew. I just wanted to make a whimsical point about the perceptions of the passionate Latins v the repressed Brits.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:37 AM
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I don't pretend to know what the outcome would have been but I do know what the data from around the world says, and that's pretty clear that the link between restrictions and outcomes is very weak. We can all point to random countries that support opposing viewpoints but ultimately if lockdowns / masking etc works then it should be pretty easy to find conclusive evidence of this and it just isn't.
We have not had a good lock down in the UK. Those infected that have been picked up by a second class test and trace, have not been given sufficient support to isolate. Many cannot afford to isolate so continue to work and so spread the virus.

As you know, the virus spreads by human contact, it needs humans to be hosting their replication. They can only do this in several ways, all tackled and minimised by covid restrictions. Thank the stars, the Oxford Group developed that vaccine in record time, and thank the NHS for delivering it efficiently.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:44 AM
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We have not had a good lock down in the UK. Those infected that have been picked up by a second class test and trace, have not been given sufficient support to isolate. Many cannot afford to isolate so continue to work and so spread the virus.

As you know, the virus spreads by human contact, it needs humans to be hosting their replication. They can only do this in several ways, all tackled and minimised by covid restrictions. Thank the stars, the Oxford Group developed that vaccine in record time, and thank the NHS for delivering it efficiently.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:48 AM
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What's one of them?
It's when you take a job but are registered as self-employed so that the company avoids you accruing employment rights.

The self employed (me, for example) face a higher bar for furloughing. So NKE's young lady may well have been working in a bar which is owned by someone else, but not registered as an employee. Or she may not have had any formal work, or been on e of the legions on the coast who only really get work in the summer.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:50 AM
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:52 AM
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Almost on every front , he got it wrong, and if he had been in charge of advising the government, and they had taken that advice on board, I dread to think where we would be now. 127,000 deaths is bad enough, but what would that figure have been been if the SAGE expert advice had been ditched in favour of Windsor's? Lets face it, the death figure could have been much lower anyway, if Johnson had acted on SAGE advice earlier and more consistently, as I am certain the eventual enquiry will confirm.
Yes but we could have still gone down the pub, gone fishing, played golf, played football, everyone would still have their jobs.

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Old 09-05-2021, 09:54 AM
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Almost on every front , he got it wrong, and if he had been in charge of advising the government, and they had taken that advice on board, I dread to think where we would be now. 127,000 deaths is bad enough, but what would that figure have been been if the SAGE expert advice had been ditched in favour of Windsor's? Lets face it, the death figure could have been much lower anyway, if Johnson had acted on SAGE advice earlier and more consistently, as I am certain the eventual enquiry will confirm.
More seriously you won't like whats coming.

If the vaccination program is as successful as it appears to be then there is an economic boom coming. Boris will again be the hero of it, up go his ratings.
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Old 09-05-2021, 09:55 AM
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I don't maybe, but New Zealand, South Korea and Australia, do.

...not forgetting Brazil, and now India, since they are getting their dose of the new variants, with poor or no covid restrictive measures in place. Oh, and I don't think Texas got a dose of either the Brazilian or Indian variant, unless you know differently.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:01 AM
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We have not had a good lock down in the UK. Those infected that have been picked up by a second class test and trace, have not been given sufficient support to isolate. Many cannot afford to isolate so continue to work and so spread the virus.

As you know, the virus spreads by human contact, it needs humans to be hosting their replication. They can only do this in several ways, all tackled and minimised by covid restrictions. Thank the stars, the Oxford Group developed that vaccine in record time, and thank the NHS for delivering it efficiently.
I don't think anyone sensible disagrees that it spreads by human host / contact but I don't believe that this is the same thing as saying restrictions are effective (and it's against what I consider science to be to just accept this hypothesis without testing it).

There are lots of possible reasons that restrictions in the real world might not have the same impact as we would assume, eg lack of compliance or the fact that a certain critical mass of contact has to happen for society to function (eg supermarket workers, warehouse staff etc), or just that we still don't understand how covid spreads, eg see my post on the MIT transmission study, or that they prolong the period to reaching herd immunity and actually result in the infection of higher numbers of vulnerable people.

My point is that we shouldn't just assume restrictions work in reality because they theoretically should. For the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying that they have no effect (although I think the data suggest impact is limited) but I am saying that we should require evidence that they are effective rather than just assuming that they must be because it's logical that they would make a difference.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:12 AM
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Personally, I wish everybody would argue the way Windsor does. He's courteous, and tries to share his knowledge on subjects where he's well informed.
Of course that doesn't mean he's always right.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:20 AM
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Personally, I wish everybody would argue the way Windsor does. He's courteous, and tries to share his knowledge on subjects where he's well informed.
Of course that doesn't mean he's always right.
I wholly agree. I don't know why he attracts the ire he does, but it's certainly not his fault.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:32 AM
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Personally, I wish everybody would argue the way Windsor does. He's courteous, and tries to share his knowledge on subjects where he's well informed.
Of course that doesn't mean he's always right.
You mean with techno babble?
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:38 AM
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He’s shared videos where he’s explained things in layman’s terms. It’s really not easy to talk about something you understand deeply and spend your whole day with, with a lot of people who may be interested in what you have to say, or may be more committed to repeating their own prejudices over and over again.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:40 AM
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Anyone remember who was desperate for a 2nd Pfizer shot last week sometime? On the have you been jabbed thread apparently they have spares at a clinic in Orpington so anyone can walk in.
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The EU won’t be buying any more AZ, after the company has under delivered by 200 million vaccines. Contracts cancelled, etc.
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The EU won’t be buying any more AZ, after the company has under delivered by 200 million vaccines. Contracts cancelled, etc.
I hope this isn't a decision that leads to a slower roll out and loss of lives in the EU. I wonder if individual countries will buy up the excess? Perhaps they can stop blocking exports to the UK and Australia now.
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I hope this isn't a decision that leads to a slower roll out and loss of lives in the EU. I wonder if individual countries will buy up the excess? Perhaps they can stop blocking exports to the UK and Australia now.
Well that's already happened - now they've got alternative sources, otherwise they wouldn't be cancelling the contract.

But clearly under delivering by 200 million vaccines has caused slower roll out and the loss of thousands of lives.
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To date, the EU has exported as many vaccines as it's administered to its own citizens - 200 million.
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