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Old 26-07-2021, 06:00 AM
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Farage clearly had a lot of influence - particularly in helping keeping the idea of leaving Europe in the news and in keeping it dividing the Conservative Party (and therefore getting the referendum in the first place). But Cummings ran the actual official campaign - and that's the campaign that 'won'. I don't think Leave would have won if Farage had run the campaign.
Perhaps. But perhaps your interpretation suggests that the responsibility for the outcome rests mainly with the behind the scenes functionary rather than with the person who had a vision (perhaps not a very nice vision, but a vision nontheless), and who led his party (a party in which he was perhaps the only person that the voters recognised) from 1% of the vote in the 1984 euro elections to a situation in 2014 in which

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.....and who was then in a position of such strength that the Tories perhaps felt that they would lose power unless they acceded to UKIP's demand for a referendum.

Given all of that, I am a little doubtful about any claim that Cummings and not Farage 'won' (if indeed anyone is making such a claim and I am not claiming that anyone is - but perhaps they are).
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