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Ahh but did you know on average vegans fart 7 times on average more than non, imagine if we all went vegan the methane problem, that would come about.
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Old 15-09-2021, 07:39 PM
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The most frustrating aspect of climate change isnít the right wing Republican types calling it all a hoax or that people eat too many cows. Itís the fact that, by all accounts; we had a tangible way of averting a crisis in the form of nuclear power, yet environmentalists revolted against it for decades. Now they say we canít do it because itíll take too long to build the plants.

Of course, nuclear isnít without its issues. But it is by far the best form of power weíve got to wipe out the majority of carbon emissions and the notion that weíre gonna be powering entire countries on windmills and batteries in the next 30 years is a fantasy.
Since when have environmentalists had a say in anything?
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Old 15-09-2021, 07:59 PM
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The most frustrating aspect of climate change isnít the right wing Republican types calling it all a hoax or that people eat too many cows. Itís the fact that, by all accounts; we had a tangible way of averting a crisis in the form of nuclear power, yet environmentalists revolted against it for decades. Now they say we canít do it because itíll take too long to build the plants.

Of course, nuclear isnít without its issues. But it is by far the best form of power weíve got to wipe out the majority of carbon emissions and the notion that weíre gonna be powering entire countries on windmills and batteries in the next 30 years is a fantasy.
More frustrating is we have been warned for years. Joni Mitchell and they paved paradise in the 70s, I bought a few acres of Amazon rain forest, supposedly, with wwf in the 80s, green house effect and science behind it in the 90ís. We had so many warning but we continued to kick the can. We are still doing it today as we want our hols in Spain or our range rovers or fresh asparagus from Peru or meat with every meal or 2.4 kids or nappies or any other plastic convenience. We donít want to give this up so we kick the can with a few platitudes
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If we were that bothered we could do something about it and create loads of jobs In the time being, offer better deals to swap diesel cars with electric, solar power for street lamps etc. Read somewhere China are sending giant mirrors in to the edge of space so that it reflects the moon light and saves millions on street lights. We waste so much money on b s
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Old 15-09-2021, 08:37 PM
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Since when have environmentalists had a say in anything?
Prominent environmental groups have had a very big say in the mass closing down & subsequent halt of new nuclear power plants in Western societies. Itís all well and good blaming politicians but ultimately they can only implement things that are politically acceptable and for a long time nuclear simply wasnít. As I said, going nuclear wouldnít be without itís issues but it wouldíve averted the projected crisis of 2050 comfortably.
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The most frustrating aspect of climate change isn’t the right wing Republican types calling it all a hoax or that people eat too many cows. It’s the fact that, by all accounts; we had a tangible way of averting a crisis in the form of nuclear power, yet environmentalists revolted against it for decades. Now they say we can’t do it because it’ll take too long to build the plants.

Of course, nuclear isn’t without its issues. But it is by far the best form of power we’ve got to wipe out the majority of carbon emissions and the notion that we’re gonna be powering entire countries on windmills and batteries in the next 30 years is a fantasy.
And the most frustrating aspect of Nuclear power industry is their inability to deliver plants one time, on budget and on the promised performance specification. It has gone from the 50's promise of energy "too cheap to meter" to the most expensive method of generating electricity. You can't blame the hippies for any of that. And that's before we get in to clean up and waste storage costs.
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Old 15-09-2021, 08:57 PM
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And the most frustrating aspect of Nuclear power industry is their inability to deliver plants one time, on budget and on the promised performance specification. It has gone from the 50's promise of energy "too cheap to meter" to the most expensive method of generating electricity. You can't blame the hippies for any of that. And that's before we get in to clean up and waste storage costs.
People have been rallying against nuclear power since the 70s so the time of construction is a total moot point. Cost and waste storage are the biggest sticking points when it comes to nuclear but those sticking points are still a darn sight better and more tangible than running entire countries on solar & wind or turning the m25 into a cycle lane. That’s just fantasy.

I’m not blaming environmentalists for anything. I’m telling you why a number of prominent Environmentalist groups frustrate me.

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Old 15-09-2021, 09:38 PM
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In the minds of many regular people, who don’t know or care about the environment, Nuclear power = Chernobyl waiting to happen. That’s the impression I get.

I agree that it should definitely be part of the solution, alongside renewable energies where they are effective.
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Prominent environmental groups have had a very big say in the mass closing down & subsequent halt of new nuclear power plants in Western societies. It’s all well and good blaming politicians but ultimately they can only implement things that are politically acceptable and for a long time nuclear simply wasn’t. As I said, going nuclear wouldn’t be without it’s issues but it would’ve averted the projected crisis of 2050 comfortably.
As fang said above it is far more to do with the inability of the nuclear industry to ever deliver their promises. Nuclear is and always has been delivered late, billions of pounds over budget and with no solution to the radioactive waste piling up. As for its safety record...

And now unbelievably people in government have decided to throw billions more at so called 'modular reactors' that can supposedly fit in a lorry container and that are cheap and 'perfectly safe'. We've heard it all before from exactly the same nuclear experts and companies.
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People have been rallying against nuclear power since the 70s so the time of construction is a total moot point. Cost and waste storage are the biggest sticking points when it comes to nuclear but those sticking points are still a darn sight better and more tangible than running entire countries on solar & wind or turning the m25 into a cycle lane. Thatís just fantasy.

Iím not blaming environmentalists for anything. Iím telling you why a number of prominent Environmentalist groups frustrate me.
"Time of construction" is not a moot point. The fact is the industry has shown itself incapable of delivering projects on time and on budget. This is the main source of the scepticism confronting it and it comes from finance ministries from Finland to Japan and not tree huggers.
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"Time of construction" is not a moot point. The fact is the industry has shown itself incapable of delivering projects on time and on budget. This is the main source of the scepticism confronting it and it comes from finance ministries from Finland to Japan and not tree huggers.
And it all means we have to beg the Chinese government and French state utility to build Hinckley C at more than double the cost of energy from solar and wind with the government underwriting the risk Our children and grandchildren will be bearing the cost (and waste) for decades to come.
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As fang said above it is far more to do with the inability of the nuclear industry to ever deliver their promises. Nuclear is and always has been delivered late, billions of pounds over budget and with no solution to the radioactive waste piling up. As for its safety record...

And now unbelievably people in government have decided to throw billions more at so called 'modular reactors' that can supposedly fit in a lorry container and that are cheap and 'perfectly safe'. We've heard it all before from exactly the same nuclear experts and companies.
As for itís safety record? Can you elaborate on that? Because whilst there have been incidents of catastrophe in isolation, it is one of the safest forms of power by a considerable distance. About on par with solar & wind.
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Need rain down south, the campo is dangerously crispy. The olives are small.
Does that impart a stronger flavour Mick or just make them a bit shit?
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In 2100 the best arable land might be in Antartica. Perhaps the US will send troops there for 20 years.
If the best remaining arable land on the planet was in Antarctica, we’d all be long dead well before that ever became true.
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Dumped an awful lot in one part of Spain.

I mentioned previously that I thought Chile had had a better winter with rainful this year, and CT disagreed. Although it has been slightly better this year than a few previous years, the cumulative effect is drying out the middle of the country. That, and the 'unmentioned' avocado farms and other business interests taking all the water for themselves - plus the condo building along the coast that seems to divert the rest of water away.

First time I have started to see serious debate of water rationing here.

There is apparantly a stain stretching right across the Pacific from NZ/Oz to Chile, and that is preventing the normal process of the atmosphere picking up humidity and forming rain clouds.

I am starting to get an image of three Brits in an artic monitoring centre sending updates to Dennis Quaid. Even if one of them is a wanker without a Manchester accent.

Anyone younger than 40 should be investing South. In 2100 the best arable land might be in Antartica. Perhaps the US will send troops there for 20 years.


Apparently when you have dry conditions in South America it equates to wetter weather in Australia due to La Nina...

I'm wondering if sea levels rise, will Lake Eyre and other inland old sea beds flood here in Aus. Will that make the centre of Australia potentially arable due to increased precipitation internally from the great dividing range?

Side note, learned on my last trip up to Cairns recently.... That the Daintree Rain Forest here is the oldest forest by far in the world.... something like 10 million years older than the Amazon. Maybe it'll cross back over the divide.
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