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Scottish Parliament Elections 2021

May 6th.

First leaders debate last night. From what I saw, thought Labour’s new leader Anas Sarwar performed well.


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I am literally watching it from last night right now. Sturgeon has looked rattled throughout so far (I am 43m in). Its wonderful.
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Just watched it.

Bar Douglass Ross (Tories) thought all leaders did well and in particular Anas Sarwar (Labour). Finally it looks like Scottish labour have come up with a decent leader after the years of dross they have served up.

Douglas Ross was a car crash. While the other leaders showed their willingness and desire to work with other parties for the good of Scotland whilst at the same time holding the Scottish government to account, or in Sturgeons's case working with opposition parties (bar the obstructive Tories) Ross stood alone showing a total disregard for such politics, a type of politics which Holyrood should be proud of and shames Westminster.

Ross on the 4% wage increase offered to nurses in Scotland as opposed to the 1% offered to them down south, was as Tory as you can get with his evasive answer. He in one package represents the stereotyped Tory, a type I loathe and detest. Hopefully with an impressive Sarwar and an appalling Ross, Labour will become the clear opposition party up here to the SNP and hold them to account as impressively as Ruth Davidson did, until she too became a Westminster mouthpiece and not true to herself.

I liked what one of the virtual audience members said re Independence. While some talk about nationalism he prefers to describe it as simply the right to self determination.

One more dig at Ross, when the question of online abuse of politicians came up and how each leader would deal with their own supporters, all leaders, bar Ross (quelle surprise) talked about it going beyond party politics and they should stand as one against it from whatever side it came. Ross used his time to have a pop at Sarwar. The other leaders shook their heads in disbelief and I guess disgust.
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Alex Salmond’s hopes of returning to frontline politics and securing a “supermajority” for independence at May’s Holyrood election are doomed, shock new Alba Party polling has suggested.

The Survation poll, carried out exclusively for DC Thomson, found the former first minister’s pro-independence party, Alba Party, to be seriously lagging behind the other major parties – with only 3% of Scots saying they would offer support at the ballot box.
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Alex Salmond’s hopes of returning to frontline politics and securing a “supermajority” for independence at May’s Holyrood election are doomed, shock new Alba Party polling has suggested.

The Survation poll, carried out exclusively for DC Thomson, found the former first minister’s pro-independence party, Alba Party, to be seriously lagging behind the other major parties – with only 3% of Scots saying they would offer support at the ballot box.
Nice to see that Scotland rejects a man who has been exposed as a sleazebag.

Shame those south of the border do not possess the same moral values, as if they had we all would have been saved from suffering Boris Johnson and the appalling characters that make up his government.
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Did the SNP candidate admit that 1.5m fewer Scots would have been vaccinated had they joined the EU rather than the U.K. vaccination programme.
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Did the SNP candidate admit that 1.5m fewer Scots would have been vaccinated had they joined the EU rather than the U.K. vaccination programme.
Why would they admit to it, particularly when it is the UK government driving it and being a member of the EU would have not have affected how the UK tackled the vaccination programme? Therefore the same would have been true if Scotland had been an Independent country within the EU.

I take it you think Brexit was a good thing. Good for you but it is not an opinion that stands up to scrutiny and not sure why you attribute 2/3 of Scots rejecting Brexit as down to the SNP.
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Nothing to do with my opinion of brexit. This shows the benefits of the UK state working together in a coordinated way.
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Nothing to do with my opinion of brexit. This shows the benefits of the UK state working together in a coordinated way.
But it doesn't for the reasons I have given. You could also add to that the generally held view that the way Sturgeon has dealt with covid has been far better than the way Johnson has (not a hard thing to have done) so your argument is seriously flawed, and totally wrong.
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But it doesn't for the reasons I have given. You could also add to that the generally held view that the way Sturgeon has dealt with covid has been far better than the way Johnson has (not a hard thing to have done) so your argument is seriously flawed, and totally wrong.
Much as I loathe Johnson, the Real NHS has been doing a better job of Covid vaccinations than the breakaway scotch version according to the current Private Eye.

Also, to an outsider, Sturgeon's husband appears to be slightly on the dodgy side, but this must be impossible as all jocko politicians (bar the Evil Tories) are pure as the driven snow.
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Much as I loathe Johnson, the Real NHS has been doing a better job of Covid vaccinations than the breakaway scotch version according to the current Private Eye.

Also, to an outsider, Sturgeon's husband appears to be slightly on the dodgy side, but this must be impossible as all jocko politicians (bar the Evil Tories) are pure as the driven snow.
It is without doubt poor judgement at best and totally dodgy at worst that her husband is the CEO of the SNP.

Was unaware of any direct provable attacks on his character, or are they simply to do with his position within the SNP?

Yes they all are as pure as the driven snow, bar the Tories, as I have apparently being arguing repeatedly.
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Yes .. self determination to want to be a member of the EU than have it forced on you that you cannot be.
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Yep... Amazing that a party that is so shit and has been a disaster as a government is polling so well.

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Yep... Amazing that a party that is so shit and has been a disaster as a government is polling so well.

Must be because the Scottish population are thick or something.
The Tories are shit and popular in England. The DUP are shit and popular in the north of Ireland.
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A fair point to a point, but the dominance of the SNP is not matched in any of those places by other parties. If you combine the next two parties in the poll they still are lagging 8 points behind the SNP.

I am thankful that we have an element of PR up here to ensure the SNP are at least kept on their toes and do not disappear up their own arses which is always a danger when a party has power for too long.
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A fair point to a point, but the dominance of the SNP is not matched in any of those places by other parties. If you combine the next two parties in the poll they still are lagging 8 points behind the SNP.

I am thankful that we have an element of PR up here to ensure the SNP are at least kept on their toes and do not disappear up their own arses which is always a danger when a party has power for too long.
With the SNP on 49% does that reflect the likely support for Independence or do some SNP supporters want to remain in the Union whilst not all supporters of the other parties are anti Independence?
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With the SNP on 49% does that reflect the likely support for Independence or do some SNP supporters want to remain in the Union whilst not all supporters of the other parties are anti Independence?
I think it is around 1 in 8 SNP voters are not pro independence but I could be wrong, and there are some supporters of other parties who are pro independence.

Total Pro Independence support is around the 50% mark without me checking latest polls
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I think it is around 1 in 8 SNP voters are not pro independence but I could be wrong, and there are some supporters of other parties who are pro independence.

Total Pro Independence support is around the 50% mark without me checking latest polls
Which is really not enough to push another divisive, costly and time consuming referendum at such a difficult covid time. It's madness that Sturgeon is even talking that it needs to happen in the first half of the next term of Parliament. Just shows, at this most dire time, where their priorities lie unfortunately.

Since the 'once in a lifetime' referendum was only 7 years ago, I would want to see pro independence polling at 70% at least before any movement towards an IndyRef2 is made.
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