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Old 31-03-2021, 08:42 PM
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Same last year tbh something to do with lockdown easing/good weather I would think - extra demand?
So the manager lied to Bob?

PS I agree with with what you say about extra demand, but the conclusion is rather dismissive of the extra issues being encountered this year.
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Old 31-03-2021, 08:49 PM
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Deffo in Aus....So many Visas and jumping through hoops for certain categories of people trying to migrate.

I was an immigrant here from the start on account of being married to an Aus. Whereas plenty of people on work visas require certain things to happen before they can become Immigrants. Those people are currently ex-pats. They are not permanent.... and thus not immigrants..... yet.
Doesn't have to be permanent residents. All those on visas with leave to remain that expires are consider immigrants in the UK in government statistics, even students.
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Old 31-03-2021, 08:52 PM
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So the manager lied to Bob?

PS I agree with with what you say about extra demand, but the conclusion is rather dismissive of the extra issues being encountered this year.
It's a thing. Shortage of supply and shipping problems especially rising costs.
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Old 31-03-2021, 09:45 PM
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thats bollox.

an expat is someone who's living in Britain because it offers a lifestyle that they consider beneficial to them overall. They might still yearn for aspects of Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan etc but, at that time, overall, the new country is where they want/need to live at that time.

A bit like being one of the Indian nationals that live in the 6th largest Indian populated city : London.

oh, and the EU isn't a country. And won't be.
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:54 AM
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Try and buy garden furniture post Brexit. Us oldies love a garden centre. Why we voted for this I do not know.

We've been to three today now that we can see people in the garden. You can't even order it. One store manager told us getting deliveries from Europe is now too expensive and inefficient to bother with.
Misfit did post an article it is not just garden furniture, even the flowers etc are from EU

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Aren't 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' two sides of the same coin? You are simultaneously an expatriate from your home country, and an immigrant in your new country. Depending on the context, it is accurate to use either term.

'British expatriates may not vote in the Brexit referendum.'

'British immigrants may vote in Spanish local elections.'
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:36 AM
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:50 AM
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Aren't 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' two sides of the same coin? You are simultaneously an expatriate from your home country, and an immigrant in your new country. Depending on the context, it is accurate to use either term.

'British expatriates may not vote in the Brexit referendum.'

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It may be accurate but itís also a product of British exceptionalism.

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Old 01-04-2021, 07:53 AM
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It may be accurate but itís also a product of British exceptionalism.

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Old 01-04-2021, 08:30 AM
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What is this Ex Pat you speak of? What does it actually mean ?


Apart from immigrant.
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:11 AM
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It may be accurate but itís also a product of British exceptionalism.

It stinks.
You maybe right, but I am not sure. Don't get more wrong there is much to dislike about colonialism, but there is also an aspect of working overseas for a period of time but seeing yourself as being from where you were born/identify with.

So for example my Grandfather and great Uncle, basically the whole of my mother's side of the family, made their lives in Chile but saw themselves entirely as British. Coming back for example to fight in WW1.

Likewise there are many who come to London with the intention of working x number of years and returning to whence they came.

I see that as different to someone who moves to a country with the intention of living there forever.
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:12 AM
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:31 AM
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So the manager lied to Bob?

PS I agree with with what you say about extra demand, but the conclusion is rather dismissive of the extra issues being encountered this year.
I'm sure the demand is also a big part of it. After all, being with people in the garden is all we're allowed to do. I don't know anything about international trade, but the manager did say Brexit has crippled garden furniture imports. But he also said his furniture came from Egypt and I didn't have the heart to tell him it was not currently an EU member.
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:37 AM
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The Suez side or Port Said side?
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You maybe right, but I am not sure. Don't get more wrong there is much to dislike about colonialism, but there is also an aspect of working overseas for a period of time but seeing yourself as being from where you were born/identify with.

So for example my Grandfather and great Uncle, basically the whole of my mother's side of the family, made their lives in Chile but saw themselves entirely as British. Coming back for example to fight in WW1.

Likewise there are many who come to London with the intention of working x number of years and returning to whence they came.

I see that as different to someone who moves to a country with the intention of living there forever.
I think this is broadly right.

Simplistically I view an expat as temporarily being overseas, where an emigrant is permanent. An expat is less likely to immerse themselves fully in where they are living, whereas an emigrant would because they have no current intention of returning.
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Aren't 'expatriate' and 'immigrant' two sides of the same coin? You are simultaneously an expatriate from your home country, and an immigrant in your new country. Depending on the context, it is accurate to use either term.

'British expatriates may not vote in the Brexit referendum.'

'British immigrants may vote in Spanish local elections.'
Yes, well rather expatriate and emigrant would be, I think (although from the hosting nations side, I guess it would be immigrant). Expatriate is a strange term which denotes a kind of contradictory state in which one embraces a national identity to which one no longer really can be said to belong. Expatriate seems to me, to suggest less of a duality of national identity but the maximum maintaining of your original national identity at the exclusion of the new.

Expatriatism within the UK is probably more prevalent in temporary migration and asylum, than those intending to settle permanently in the UK (where in reality becoming 'more British' is kind of a necessity of progression). That said, my experience is a bias sample, as many of those I know who are settled British ex-foreign nationals are South African and White
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It also depends upon the ability to become, say, a British citizen whilst remaining a citizen of another country. And of course the tax implications that, for example, can hound American citizens even those who have been here years.
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It also depends upon the ability to become, say, a British citizen whilst remaining a citizen of another country. And of course the tax implications that, for example, can hound American citizens even those who have been here years.
From recollection there are only two countries that assess tax on their citizens irrespective of location, being the US and China. The U.K. does but only in very limited circumstances (for instance embassy staff posted overseas are generally still subject to U.K. tax)
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It also depends upon the ability to become, say, a British citizen whilst remaining a citizen of another country. And of course the tax implications that, for example, can hound American citizens even those who have been here years.
Its a remarkably short list of British Nationals how can claim dual nationality (if you're applying for British citizenship). I don't know how reciprocal that actually is.
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