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Old 15-08-2020, 10:19 AM
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The pricing should be the ST price for the seat in question divided by 19. There's no way the club should over-charge ST holders in the current circumstances.
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Some interesting thoughts on here. I'm not overly confident the club will sort out a sensible approach - just look at the refunds debacle.

Back to GGs comment about people that cant go (whether it be because they dont want to, are vulnerable and dont feel safe, finances or because they weren't allocated a ticket), how will they watch the game live, legally? The TV companies are sticking to their original contracts, so it won't be like project restart. It will just encourage people to watch illegally by finding a stream of NBC or BeIN Sport. Clubs aren't allowed to stream the games either - like they did in the Championship recently.

The club have a tough situation on their hands and it will be impossible to please everyone.
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The pricing should be the ST price for the seat in question divided by 19. There's no way the club should over-charge ST holders in the current circumstances.
Yes would have to be something realistic like that for pricing otherwise they would risk alienating season ticket holders for future seasons.
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Report today that some trials could be held later in September, with full rollout in October

- but with around 25% capacity
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In a strange (and I agree unsuitable) way that does solve the problem of attendance numbers and social distancing for the Club.
If numbers of applicants are low and you are a 'single' adult you have a better chance to get a ticket in a ballot too. I'm sure that those who can afford to pay ~£50 per game - and need their fix - will pay it!
Not a great look for a club that identifies with its South London roots to price out its fans is it?
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Do you really need that explaining for you or are you just taking the approach that you can pay more so deserve to see more games? Weíre potentially entering the biggest financial crisis in a hundred years. Loads of Palace fans could lose and have lost their jobs and your advocating that the club should choose this moment to rip its fans off? The club makes around 70% of its revenues in TV money anyway, price people out now and they wonít come back when we inevitably go down.
Every chance I will not see any games next season like many. You use the example of those who are struggling financially this season. For them maybe having a year where they donít have to pay for a ST, travel, food/beer etc knowing they have their seat reserved the following year could suit as well.
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Report today that some trials could be held later in September, with full rollout in October

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If that was the case then you would get 3 or 4 games a season. How would it be decided who gets the Brighton game, or Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc and who gets. Burnley and West Brom? All games are not equal and therefore having any sort of season ticket issue this season will have issues.

If they charge £50 instead of £30 per game over the course of the season with 25% capacity is about £2.5m. In a season when revenue will be hit that is not insignificant for a club like Palace.
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If they charge £50 instead of £30 per game over the course of the season with 25% capacity is about £2.5m. In a season when revenue will be hit that is not insignificant for a club like Palace.
I can't believe you are still persisting with your £50 a ticket suggestion.

All clubs revenues will be hit by pretty much the same ratio, the right answer for the club isn't to just try and squeeze more money out of ordinary fans.

I'm surprised an 'ordinary' supporter would advocate a hefty increase to be honest.

By all means try and charge more for hospitality seating but not your common fan.


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The pricing should be the ST price for the seat in question divided by 19. There's no way the club should over-charge ST holders in the current circumstances.
Is the correct answer. IMO the only debate should be around the fairest way to allocate tickets amongst Palace fans so that everyone gets a fair crack at it (even if what we all actually get is fairly disappointing)
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Every chance I will not see any games next season like many. You use the example of those who are struggling financially this season. For them maybe having a year where they donít have to pay for a ST, travel, food/beer etc knowing they have their seat reserved the following year could suit as well.
But you fully well know how much of an outlet going to football is for people. Pricing people out is not the answer.
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But you fully well know how much of an outlet going to football is for people. Pricing people out is not the answer.
Yet to see a sensible route for managing what is a very difficult situation. There is no sensible option for selling season tickets as a season ticket is not 4 games. Therefore people are going to miss out.

If you sell on a game by game basis he demand is going to hugely outstrip demand. Do those with most loyalty points get first dibs all the time? By the way that would suit me but I donít think itís fair.

Criticise what I have suggested by all means but where is your solution that is more workable?
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Put the first three (home league) games on sale once the tv changes are known

Sell in daily tranches using gradually lowering bands of loyalty points.

People can then choose the game which suits them best - don't assume everyone would choose Man United or Liverpool - some would choose based on date and time of the game. Some might choose the least attractive opposition of the three on the basis we might have more chance of a win. Some will choose the less glamourous (but un-televised) game on the basis they can see other games on tv

As the sales progress for those three games, when people on lower points get their choice, they might choose the game where they get better seats than for are remaining the more 'glamorous' fixture.

Forget about there being season tickets for a season, do it match by match, but hold people's usual seats until 2021/22

The online system should blank out every other row before people even get on it, and people should leave two empty seats between the previous booking and their groups seat selection

Pricing based on 1/19th of the normal season ticket price

No loyalty points to be earned at all on ticket purchases for the season.

When games 1,2 &3 all sorted, then deal with games 4,5 and 6 in the same way (assuming tv changes and fixture times are known)

If the covid situation improves and there is an increased capacity, then more seats can be offered at a stage further on during the season
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Put the first three (home league) games on sale once the tv changes are known

Sell in daily tranches using gradually lowering bands of loyalty points.

People can then choose the game which suits them best - don't assume everyone would choose Man United or Liverpool - some would choose based on date and time of the game. Some might choose the least attractive opposition of the three on the basis we might have more chance of a win. Some will choose the less glamourous (but un-televised) game on the basis they can see other games on tv

As the sales progress for those three games, when people on lower points get their choice, they might choose the game where they get better seats than for are remaining the more 'glamorous' fixture.

Forget about there being season tickets for a season, do it match by match, but hold people's usual seats until 2021/22

The online system should blank out every other row before people even get on it, and people should leave two empty seats between the previous booking and their groups seat selection

Pricing based on 1/19th of the normal season ticket price

No loyalty points to be earned at all on ticket purchases for the season.

When games 1,2 &3 all sorted, then deal with games 4,5 and 6 in the same way (assuming tv changes and fixture times are known)

If the covid situation improves and there is an increased capacity, then more seats can be offered at a stage further on during the season
That's what I was trying to say above, but you've done it better!
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Put the first three (home league) games on sale once the tv changes are known

Sell in daily tranches using gradually lowering bands of loyalty points.

People can then choose the game which suits them best - don't assume everyone would choose Man United or Liverpool - some would choose based on date and time of the game. Some might choose the least attractive opposition of the three on the basis we might have more chance of a win. Some will choose the less glamourous (but un-televised) game on the basis they can see other games on tv

As the sales progress for those three games, when people on lower points get their choice, they might choose the game where they get better seats than for are remaining the more 'glamorous' fixture

Forget about there being season tickets for a season, do it match by match, but hold people's usual seats until 2021/22

The online system should blank out every other row before people even get on it, and people should leave two empty seats between the previous booking and their groups seat selection
Pricing based on 1/19th of the normal season ticket price

No loyalty points to be earned at all on ticket purchases for the season.

When games 1,2 &3 all sorted, then deal with games 4,5 and 6 in the same way (assuming tv changes and fixture times are known)

If the covid situation improves and there is an increased capacity, then more seats can be offered at a stage further on during the season
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Ta. People need to be able to choose who they sit with and which game they get (on a one in three basis initially)

Not all the 18,000 season ticket holders will even want to go - some will choose not to on health reasons, some might have decided last season was their last anyway for whatever reason. Some might not particularly care for Roy's often passive tactics.
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Put the first three (home league) games on sale once the tv changes are known

Sell in daily tranches using gradually lowering bands of loyalty points.

People can then choose the game which suits them best - don't assume everyone would choose Man United or Liverpool - some would choose based on date and time of the game. Some might choose the least attractive opposition of the three on the basis we might have more chance of a win. Some will choose the less glamourous (but un-televised) game on the basis they can see other games on tv

As the sales progress for those three games, when people on lower points get their choice, they might choose the game where they get better seats than for are remaining the more 'glamorous' fixture.

Forget about there being season tickets for a season, do it match by match, but hold people's usual seats until 2021/22

The online system should blank out every other row before people even get on it, and people should leave two empty seats between the previous booking and their groups seat selection

Pricing based on 1/19th of the normal season ticket price

No loyalty points to be earned at all on ticket purchases for the season.

When games 1,2 &3 all sorted, then deal with games 4,5 and 6 in the same way (assuming tv changes and fixture times are known)

If the covid situation improves and there is an increased capacity, then more seats can be offered at a stage further on during the season
We are of relatively similar opinions. Whereas I used price point to reduce demand you propose loyalty points.

Any more recent ST holder loses out to those who have had one for 9 years. Families who have a newer ST holder will not all be able to go together.

I think whatever was it is done people will miss out and could be alienated. A relatively new ST holder is probably less likely to remain one if they miss out than someone who has had one for years.

Cannot see a good way to turn 18,000 ST holders into 6,500 (-corporate) available seats in a way everyone would consider fair. Even a straight ballot would have winners and losers.
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While that would certainly be a sensible option I would be annoyed. Certainly, I would not want it affecting my opportunity to get a season ticket for the next "normal" season that we have in terms of attendance.

If, the club could guarantee that my seat is still available for say the 2021/22 season onwards then fine. I have been and continue to be in a shielding household since this whole thing started and the prospect of travelling from Norwich to Norwood Junction on train and tube then going to the ground and back again is a risk as it stands.
Sort of my thoughts. My day of going to Palace consists of getting a 20 minute train to East Croydon, meetinf friends, having a couple or more pints nearby, jump back on the train to Selhurst, watch us lose, go home.

I don't really want to attend until I can do that without it feeling weird - masks, reduced attendance, limited access to pubs, etc.

Equally, I don't want to lose my seat I've had in the Holmesdale for several years now... This isn't an easy task for the club.
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Put the first three (home league) games on sale once the tv changes are known

Sell in daily tranches using gradually lowering bands of loyalty points.

People can then choose the game which suits them best - don't assume everyone would choose Man United or Liverpool - some would choose based on date and time of the game. Some might choose the least attractive opposition of the three on the basis we might have more chance of a win. Some will choose the less glamourous (but un-televised) game on the basis they can see other games on tv

As the sales progress for those three games, when people on lower points get their choice, they might choose the game where they get better seats than for are remaining the more 'glamorous' fixture.

Forget about there being season tickets for a season, do it match by match, but hold people's usual seats until 2021/22

The online system should blank out every other row before people even get on it, and people should leave two empty seats between the previous booking and their groups seat selection

Pricing based on 1/19th of the normal season ticket price

No loyalty points to be earned at all on ticket purchases for the season.

When games 1,2 &3 all sorted, then deal with games 4,5 and 6 in the same way (assuming tv changes and fixture times are known)

If the covid situation improves and there is an increased capacity, then more seats can be offered at a stage further on during the season
Seems the most logical approach. Would hopefully then allow long term members to buy if season ticket holders donít take up every game. I would personally like a nominal fee to reserve seat for the following season too.
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Personally I see no reason to use loyalty points (and I have plenty myself so would probably benefit from a system that did use them). At a time when demand will be high it will be divisive if the same people get to monopolise/cherry pick the limited opportunities to attend.

I agree that seats should be sold for blocks of home games (maybe 3 at a time for example but if capacity is lower than around 6000 it may need to be 4 at a time).

Everyone who held a season ticket in 2019/0 can go to only one game out of the three, they can book as groups of friends/family to be seated as close together as social distancing allows; tickets are a free for all on the day they go on sale. Would prefer a queue in the Sainsbury's car park for old time's sake but guess the internet and phone is more practical. Then do it again six weeks later for the next three games reviewing as more fans are allowed back.

Keep it simple at £30 for every seat (£20 concessions) with no attempt to tie people to the areas in which they hold a season ticket. Consider letting the box office assign the specific seat as per away games rather than enabling the full stadium map.

Reduce the allocation to players' families and sponsors by the same proportion that applies to general supporters.

If there are any seats left after a week then assign via a ballot to people who have held memberships for at least two or three years

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An additional complication would be TV broadcasting. Even with limited attendance at some stage next season I would be amazed if all games are not shown live each week which would make some games difficult to attend and you may win a ballot for a match then find out that because of date/time TV want to broadcast your game you cannot attend which either means a wasted ticket or a complicated transfer system.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if hospitality take about 1000 out of the 6000 or so total capacity.

My suggestion to sell in daily tranches based on loyalty points was to give those who have been going to home AND away games some sort of reward/priority (as opposed to just giving people over say 10,000pts a guaranteed seat each game which would erode the amount left for everyone else)

There needs to be some way to prioritise seat selection, because if all 18,000 are allowed to buy at the same time at 10am on a Monday morning, the box office website will just crash and the phoneline will have 3 hour waits!!
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