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My memory of it was that Wise was giving it the biggun, thinking that he'd be safe and when Gray fronted up to him scuttled off towards (what he thought was) the safety of the tunnel. Unfortunately for him, he'd forgotten that we'd moved the tunnel to the corner, and so while he walked along the touchline from the bench, Gray took the direct route to the corner, gesticulating at Wise, and beckoning him towards him the whole way.
Reminiscent to Mark Dennis/Dave Madden offering Fashanu out at Plough Lane at the back end of the 89/90 season. Dennis wanted to take on most of the Wimbledon team that night. Miss those days.
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And for those of you who didn't hear these in the summer, here's the link to the games that were being played at this point in the 1990-91 season

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This was a landmark victory for me and hinted at the special season ahead. This was the first time we’d beaten Chelsea at home since 1973 when Jim Cannon scored on his debut. I’d been following Palace since the late 70’s and I’d seen us play Chelsea numerous times home and away and not seen us beat them. I missed the midweek away victory in the early 80’s.

For a Palace supporting Croydon boy, Chelsea were the bane of your life. Always lording it over you and attracted those that wanted to be associated to a club with a hard reputation on the terraces. I was ecstatic after this game. My older brother was one of the many to buy a season ticket in the Arthur in order to secure a Cup Final ticket, so unfortunately we watched the home games apart, but recall meeting up with him after the game and jumping on each other in delight as if we’d got to Wembley or something.

The game under the Selhurst lights just had an electrifying sizzle about it and the Gray/Wise incident just set the atmosphere alight. There seemed to be bad blood between the players. Two seasons before in Div 2 in this fixture at Selhurst, there was another mass melee in the middle of the park with both sets of players pushing out at each other.

Wright’s second - the sublime chip - was probably in the top 3 highlights of this season for me. Just pure genius.
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The warmth that evening was great. In fact it was in a run of three seasons where our first home game was under the lights on a hot August Tuesday night (United 89, this 90, Wimbledon 91) and the atmosphere for all three was top notch,
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Thanks to all those who have offered good wishes above, and to those who have saved me the bother of introducing the second game of the season.

So my memories of 28 August 1990…unlike the opener at Luton this was definitely a game to get the juices flowing, a midweek fixture under the Selhurst lights against London rivals. The equivalent fixture in the previous season had been on Boxing Day and it turned out to be a good old ding-dong London derby, a then virtually unknown Graeme Le Saux popping up off the bench to grab a last minute equaliser for the West London scum in a 2-2 draw.

There was a good sense of anticipation en route to the stadium on a sultry evening, none of us expected us to do as well in the season ahead as things turned out but there was a genuine feeling of optimism that this was a team still on the up after proving last year that we belonged in the top flight. There was also some residual goodwill in the air from our run to the cup final (yes for younger readers, that was still a big deal back then).

As already noted Chelsea were parading their new record signing Dennis Wise, everyone’s favourite cheeky cockney scamp. Also worth noting that one of our Team of the 80s alumni Peter Nicholas made a rare start alongside Wise in the midfield – by then he was approaching the veteran stage of his career and he had fallen well down the pecking order at Chelsea. One of the blokes stood near us on the Holmesdale spent the evening mercilessly barracking Nicholas, mainly on account of his by then rapidly receding hairline which this guy clearly found hilarious.

The penalty for our opening goal was a weird one, David Lee electing to elbow the ball clear from alongside his body when there appeared to be no imminent danger. Andy Gray converted in typical master blaster fashion, fast run up and lamp it as hard as he could in the general direction of the goal. Others have already waxed lyrical about Wright’s goal and rightly so, it was a sublime finish. This season turned out to be the one when he unleashed his full repertoire of finishes and you could see that he was oozing self belief and confidence. Although Chelsea pulled one back we held on reasonably comfortably.

So 4 points from the opening 2 games, and with another promising fixture on paper coming up at home to Sheffield United, it seemed that things certainly were on the up as we made our way back to Selhurst station.

An early mention from me here for Andy Gray, who turned out to have a phenomenal season for us. I still regard him as the most 'Palace' player we've ever had in terms of his attitude and style of play, I absolutely loved him and still do despite the sticky end to his time with us. Plenty more mentions to come though as the season progresses.
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The spat between Andy Gray and Dennis Wise happened in front of us in the AW stand, but apart from that and Ian Wright's magnificent chip over Beasant I can't really remember much else about the game to be honest - I didn't even remember the first goal was an early AG penalty, nor that Mark Bright was out injured. Tony Dorigo always seemed to play well against us though, so it's no great surprise it was him that scored their goal.
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I thought it might be a bit of fun for old farts like to me to take an extended walk down memory lane and reminisce about the seminal 1990/91 season game by game. Alternatively this could die on its arse if no-one is interested but let’s see. The theory is that I will post up a brief summary of each game a day or two before the 30th anniversary date (hard to believe it’s all 30 years ago), and see what reminiscences people have.

Brief context – this was easily the most successful season in the club’s history with a comfortable third place finish and we were in with a realistic shout of winning the bloody thing until a tonking at the hands of eventual champions Arsenal in late February (spoiler alert). We also won the ZDS Trophy, admittedly something of a Mickey Mouse competition but still fantastic to see us winning at Wembley a year after the FA Cup final heartbreak. 1990/91 was certainly the ‘Zenith’ for this team which Steve Coppell had assembled, a collection of cast-offs and lower league bargains alongide a few astute bigger money signings to strengthen in key areas. From memory, we had brought in three players over the summer. John Humphrey came in at right back to replace the popular John Pemberton, who was shunted off to Sheffield United. Eric Young (or ‘Eric Old’ as some Palace fans labelled the 30 year old) arrived to partner his old Wimbledon mate Andy Thorn in the heart of the defence. And another Wimbledon old boy Glyn Hodges was signed to add some creative flair (or so we thought).

From a personal perspective I had turned 18 in the few days between the FA Cup final first game and replay, and after having spent the early part of the summer immersing myself in Italia 90 and the Madchester vibe, I started my first proper job at the beginning of August in the AMP building adjacent to East Croydon station. So the world was my oyster with proper money in my pocket for the first time.

On we go to the first game then, which was on 25 August 1990 away to Luton Town. Again hard to believe now, but Luton were considered a reasonably established top flight outfit then, having gained promotion under David Pleat in the early 80s and stayed put. They’d even won the League Cup in 1988. The game was played in front of a pathetic crowd of 9,583, caused by the ban on away fans which Luton’s extremist right-winger chairman David Evans had imposed. A number of Palace fans did thought infiltrate the stadium, as could be seen when the goals were shown on TV.

The match ended in a 1-1 draw, our goal coming from debutant Eric Young (from memory, a towering header from a corner??). This was deemed a satisfactory result in our opening game as we looked to build on our 15th place finish (out of 22) in the previous season.

Over to you – what memories of this game, and what were your thoughts and feelings as the new season got underway?


As Eric Young from memory scored right behind the goal there is Robbie Tobin, Dave Illingworth and Myself jumping up!

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The Chelsea game happened in a new chart week so here are that week's new entrants into the top 10:

Four Bacharach & David Songs EP by Deacon Blue - pretentious twaddle which somehow got as high as number 2 on the charts in the following week.

Can Can You Party by Jive Bunny - the annoying rabbit was on his last legs by now and this track only had a solitary week in the top ten as the novelty waned. Can't remember it at all but clearly it had the Can Can somewhere in the mix.

Silhouettes by Cliff Richard - the song title means nothing to me and I cannot tell you anything about it, mercifully I'm sure. But it sneaked in at number 10 and never got any higher.
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I was enrolled at City Poly for that season doing a degree I didn't want to do but there were no jobs. I hated it and spent my time following Palace instead and dropped out of Poly.

What a wonderful season, but it's a blur really.
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The Chelsea game happened in a new chart week so here are that week's new entrants into the top 10:

Four Bacharach & David Songs EP by Deacon Blue - pretentious twaddle which somehow got as high as number 2 on the charts in the following week.

Can Can You Party by Jive Bunny - the annoying rabbit was on his last legs by now and this track only had a solitary week in the top ten as the novelty waned. Can't remember it at all but clearly it had the Can Can somewhere in the mix.

Silhouettes by Cliff Richard - the song title means nothing to me and I cannot tell you anything about it, mercifully I'm sure. But it sneaked in at number 10 and never got any higher.
Wow - I was still into the charts at this point but don't remember the Cliff Richard and Deacon Blue songs. Jive Bunny novelty wore off for me after the first song in Summer 89 but impressively they managed three number ones in about four months at the end of 89. By 1990, the gimmick was fading as you say.

We were about to get The Joker by Steve Miller Band to number one around this time, back in the days when whatever song was on the Levi's TV advert was pretty much guranteed to top the chart. Kids now have barely even heard of Levi's let along buying the record that was on the advert!!
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Wow - I was still into the charts at this point but don't remember the Cliff Richard and Deacon Blue songs. Jive Bunny novelty wore off for me after the first song in Summer 89 but impressively they managed three number ones in about four months at the end of 89. By 1990, the gimmick was fading as you say.

We were about to get The Joker by Steve Miller Band to number one around this time, back in the days when whatever song was on the Levi's TV advert was pretty much guranteed to top the chart. Kids now have barely even heard of Levi's let along buying the record that was on the advert!!
The lead track on the EP was I'll Never Fall In Love Again, which they slowed down in tempo and reworked as an artsy piano ballad. I wasn't a fan. It was the high water mark for them though, after that their status and popularity gradually started to wane and they split up in the mid 90s.

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My abiding memory/ies of that game was the Palace fans, not just the number but the fact the vast majority had been situated together, not even attempting to conceal the fact; it was almost as if those actually having to manage the away fans ban had just jacked it in and decided to do their own thing. Andy Thorn was pissing himself laughing at the cheer that went up when the team came out.
Most if not all were there officially. The Junior eagles had played a series of games against Young Luton fans in the morning and as part of the package that day where given match tickets. My two boys were playing and along with a number of the other boys parents were able to watch the game. I have some great photo's of Alan Smith talking to some of the boys during the pre match warm up. He was very surprised to see a largish group of Palace fans at the game, but thankful.

This was one of a number of similar initiatives with youngsters both home and away that season. The Leeds away later that season was an interesting day. It had been very bad weather up in Yorkshire and the mornings matches had to be cancelled. Instead Leeds arranged a subutteo tournament in the morning in their family stand enclosure lounge. We had a great day right up to our late winner from Geoff Thomas. However as the game finished a group of Leeds blokes in the enclosure started abusing the children and one nice chap spat at some of the kids. The Leeds officials (who had been great all day) could not apologises enough and promised that the culprits would have their season tickets removed. Apparently these Charlie's had purchased family tickets at the reduced rate but did not take children with them (it was suspected the children were made up) just to take advantage of the cheaper tickets.
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The lead track on the EP was I'll Never Fall In Love Again, which they slowed down in tempo and reworked as an artsy piano ballad. I wasn't a fan. It was the high water mark for them though, after that their status and popularity gradually started to wane and they split up in the mid 90s.
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Most if not all were there officially. The Junior eagles had played a series of games against Young Luton fans in the morning and as part of the package that day where given match tickets. My two boys were playing and along with a number of the other boys parents were able to watch the game. I have some great photo's of Alan Smith talking to some of the boys during the pre match warm up. He was very surprised to see a largish group of Palace fans at the game, but thankful.

This was one of a number of similar initiatives with youngsters both home and away that season. The Leeds away later that season was an interesting day. It had been very bad weather up in Yorkshire and the mornings matches had to be cancelled. Instead Leeds arranged a subutteo tournament in the morning in their family stand enclosure lounge. We had a great day right up to our late winner from Geoff Thomas. However as the game finished a group of Leeds blokes in the enclosure started abusing the children and one nice chap spat at some of the kids. The Leeds officials (who had been great all day) could not apologises enough and promised that the culprits would have their season tickets removed. Apparently these Charlie's had purchased family tickets at the reduced rate but did not take children with them (it was suspected the children were made up) just to take advantage of the cheaper tickets.
I definitely remember a largish group down the side, did they have some sort of benches or something lower part of their 'main' stand?

As for 'most if not all there officially' far from the case mate. There were a load in their covered terrace behind the goal. I was slightly cautious about getting in on a borrowed ID, but this went out the window on the Thameslink from EC as it was obvious many were travelling. Nodded to plenty of people I recognised whilst on the terrace - didn't hide the celebration for the goal and vaguely even remember a few 'eagles' filling the air

Similar to a few on here, my coming of age season, money in the pocket, excitement to be had, bloody good football to follow! Went to every game except Sunderland away (had travel booked, but a late night incident the night before put pay to that). Gutted I never completed the full H&A, but god we were good.
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Palace’s and my best season. Did every league game home and away this year despite not having a season ticket!!
Left school at 16 and started my apprenticeship and went to Luton with a mate and no tickets after arranging to stay with two females we had met on holiday who lived in Stevenage (nearest to Luton in our young eyes) . Remeber asking Luton fans if they would get us a ticket each and got standard reply of “sorry mate,already got some of your lot in” Eventually got recognised by an older Palace lad who had a handful of ID cards and he sorted us out two terrace tickets behind the goal.
Both said keep quiet if we score which went out the window when the ninja scored and we found out the four blokes behind us were Palace too!!
Went for a night out in Stevenage after,then home the next day.
Cannot remember anything about Chelsea other than a scorching hot night and Wright’s goal.
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