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Old 29-09-2021, 12:33 PM
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Thanks. I'm a bit clearer on the allegations now.
So you haven’t really read the allegations but were happy to jump in and bat for the nons Prince anyway?
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Prince Andrew has been granted access to a sealed document his lawyers believe could help end the sexual abuse case being brought by Virginia Giuffre.

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Old 07-10-2021, 01:52 PM
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From what's been reported it's a settlement between Epstien and Guiffre, that includes an agreement not to take further action against him, or other parties (which I assume includes Prince Andrew). Certainly ends the case, but it certainly wouldn't do anything for his reputation, or his I never met her (which I guess no one believes anyhow).

Assuming it named names and is confidential for that reason, if it's entered into public court as evidence, does it then become public record?

The idea that it would prevent future litergation about anyone associated with the plaintiff seems a very broad and questionable caveat.

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Old 07-10-2021, 02:25 PM
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The idea that something like this has been signed which doesn't just account for Epstein but also his associates is pretty grim in itself
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From what's been reported it's a settlement between Epstien and Guiffre, that includes an agreement not to take further action against him, or other parties (which I assume includes Prince Andrew). Certainly ends the case, but it certainly wouldn't do anything for his reputation, or his I never met her (which I guess no one believes anyhow).

Assuming it named names and is confidential for that reason, if it's entered into public court as evidence, does it then become public record?

The idea that it would prevent future litergation about anyone associated with the plaintiff seems a very broad and questionable caveat.
Also her lawyers didn't remotely fight its release (quite the opposite) so I doubt it contains any such caveat.
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Old 07-10-2021, 03:14 PM
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anyway....would the agreement if it exists hold up?...isn't it already accepted that such agreements would be void if the agreement was signed under duress?...and I assume she would have a good case for this ?
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anyway....would the agreement if it exists hold up?...isn't it already accepted that such agreements would be void if the agreement was signed under duress?...and I assume she would have a good case for this ?
It was part of an agreement to settle a previous case from 2009 in which she sued Epstein for damages relating to her abuse and trafficking (i.e. after the event, which would mean its not under duress).
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Also her lawyers didn't remotely fight its release (quite the opposite) so I doubt it contains any such caveat.
This is what I thought. Unless they see it as a option to sue more people now that the floodgate as to who is named in that is public…..

But I also think, no one would be named in that document apart from those two parties as it would be more damaging for Epstein if it ever gets out, not that it would make any difference as he is dead now
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Rumour going around that the Met have dropped their investigation on the issue. Interesting if true.
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Rumour going around that the Met have dropped their investigation on the issue. Interesting if true.
If Maxwell next month were to confirm she was trafficked it might become a crime here if said sweaty bloke was aware of it. As it stands she was 17 and not 'raped' in the 'conventional' way. Still, he did not meet her!!!
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Rumour going around that the Met have dropped their investigation on the issue. Interesting if true.
Bit more than a rumour - it was announced yesterday.
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It's only a guess, but I'm thinking the Met have dropped their investigation because the victim may have been 16 or 17, and therefore over the age of consent. Or it could be a political decision, or just lack of evidence.

And the 'contract' the victim allegedly signed is worthless. An illegal contract is worthless in law. It's akin to a kiddy-fiddler giving his victims sweeta in order 'not to tell'.

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It's only a guess, but I'm thinking the Met have dropped their investigation because the victim may have been 16 or 17, and therefore over the age of consent. Or it could be a political decision, or just lack of evidence.

And the 'contract' the victim allegedly signed is worthless. An illegal contract is worthless in law. It's akin to a kiddy-fiddler giving his victims sweet in order 'not to tell'.
Isint this contract the one that Andrews new lawyers are pinning their hope (and his) on?

Listened to a good podcast yesterday “stories of our times” on this. Andrew doesn’t come out of it very well. Seems like it’s only the Queen who likes him.
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Isint this contract the one that Andrews new lawyers are pinning their hope (and his) on?

Listened to a good podcast yesterday “stories of our times” on this. Andrew doesn’t come out of it very well. Seems like it’s only the Queen who likes him.
Fergie seems to stick by his side.

But you're right, the only reports I've ever heard from people who've had the misfortune to come into contact with him is he is a nasty, arrogant, entitled w@nker of the highest order - which is all born out from that car-crash newsnight interview (which he did without consultation from 'the firm').

Arrogant Andy felt the power of his persona would pull off a PR coup (sorry, alot of 'p's in that sentence ) His delusion is such that he even felt the interview had 'gone well'.
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Fergie seems to stick by his side.

But you're right, the only reports I've ever heard from people who've had the misfortune to come into contact with him is he is a nasty, arrogant, entitled w@nker of the highest order - which is all born out from that car-crash newsnight interview (which he did without consultation from 'the firm').

Arrogant Andy felt the power of his persona would pull off a PR coup (sorry, alot of 'p's in that sentence ) His delusion is such that he even felt the interview had 'gone well'.
Apparently all his siblings do not want him to be able to damage the Royal brand anymore. Several people I knew at the DTI including a PR specialist just waited for the next gaffe to have to get him out of. He really believes he is born to be above others. Interesting to hear Amanda Staveley views on him as she enters the spotlight (he asked her to marry him apparently). Really hope he gets what he deserves along with his best buddy Maxwell
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