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For League games, the Football League would not even allow the BBC to inform the public what game was being broadcast on a Saturday until 3pm, or broadcast the 1st half, in case it affected the attendance at other League games. Same argument used by the football authorities about live tv games at 3pm Saturday, until now...

I can't recall when midweek European games began to be covered from kick-off, but am sure I remember tuning in to find out Forest were 0-2 down to Cologne in 78/79 at half-time. Suppose they were worried that Liverpool away to some Eastern Bloc / Warsaw Pact outfit would affect the attendance on a cold Wednesday night for Workington v Barrow (especially as latter was a local derby).
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Radio Laser 558, broadcasting from somewhere in the North Sea.
What a station! Crackly as hell but cool American presenters, the occasional advert in Dutch to add to the exotic nature of the mix, being occasionally awake at 5am when it burst into life (they slept for 4 hours from 1am-5am so it was dead air for those hours) and 'never more than a minute away from the next song' meant chit chat was minimal.

Sixties Sunday wasn't so much for me but my mum liked that so everyone was happy.
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the Iceman quickly sunk back into obscurity.
Don't forget that on his way back to oblivion him and MC Hammer had their feud and their fans doing likewise. I saw this play out on a cross-channel ferry when a load of 14-15 year olds were dancing to MC Hammer in the disco (dancefloor measuring 5mx5m!) but then theatrically walking off the second the DJ put Vanilla Ice on and giving the DJ the middle finger.
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What a station! Crackly as hell but cool American presenters, the occasional advert in Dutch to add to the exotic nature of the mix, being occasionally awake at 5am when it burst into life (they slept for 4 hours from 1am-5am so it was dead air for those hours) and 'never more than a minute away from the next song' meant chit chat was minimal.

Sixties Sunday wasn't so much for me but my mum liked that so everyone was happy.
Remember listening to that a lot in those days as I didn't have a TV so the radio was the main source of entertainment. Played better records than Capital or Radio 1. At one stage they used to play all their adverts together so you got 45 - 50 minutes of music then 10 - 15 minutes of ads. Obviously didn't work because that's when you went out to the loo or kitchen to make a cuppa.
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The missing 74/75 Manchester United player was of course Arnie Sidebottom who made 16 appearances as a central defender. He spent his summers as a fast bowler for Yorkshire, eventually winning a solitary England test cap against Australia in 1985. Very sporting of you guys who looked up the answer but kept it quiet. It wasn't really guessable; you either knew it or you didn't so I think it's OK to look it up and post it after a couple of days. It's when you ask a question with about ten answers and somebody copy and pastes all the answers off wikipedia within 10 minutes that's a bit irksome.

Keeping the cricket theme but getting the thread broadly back on topic, yesterday was the anniversary (9th February 1991) of the last day of England's 90/91 Ashes tour. Australia reached the winning target of 120 for the loss of just 1 wicket in Perth to finish the series 3-0 winners.

The series finished...

1st Brisbane Lost by 10 wickets
2nd Melbourne Lost by 8 wickets
3rd Sydney Drawn
4th Adelaide Drawn
5th Perth Lost by 9 wickets


The following players played...
David GOWER 5
Mike ATHERTON 5
Robin SMITH 5
Alec STEWART 5
Devon MALCOLM 5
Graham GOOCH 4
Gladstone SMALL 4
Phil TUFNELL 4
Allan LAMB 3
Wayne LARKINS 3
Jack RUSSELL 3
Phil DeFREITAS 3
Angus FRASER 3
Phil NEWPORT 1
Chris LEWIS 1
Eddie HEMMINGS 1

(Lamb was captain for the 1st Test in the absence of Gooch who took over for the remaining matches. Russell was wicketkeeper for the first 3 matches and Stewart for the last 2)
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This was a miserable tour. We had gone down under with false confidence that the Ashes could be wrested back and our 1989 home thrashing was an aberration - after all, we had won the previous two series comfortably including last time around in Australia. But in truth it was a somewhat rag-tag squad which lacked steel and leadership. Lamb, Gower and Gooch were all approaching 40, Hemmings must surely have been older than that, Larkins was a surprise pick in the twilight of his career which did not pay off. There were a number of players who fell into the 'talented but inconsistent' category - Malcolm, Tufnell, DeFreitas, Small. Atherton and Stewart were still in the infancy of their test career. Probably the only truly world class player we had was Robin Smith although I can't remember how well or badly he did during that series.

Things started badly when Gooch was rushed to hospital with a severe finger infection prior to the first test, and went downhill rapidly midway through the tour when Gower and John Morris indulged in their infamous Tiger Moth 'buzzing' incident in the middle of a warm up game. Gooch was suitably unimpressed and Morris never played for England again. If memory serves Gower and Lamb also found time for an unauthorised casino trip during the tour.

It was a steep decline and a long road out for England in test cricket. We spent most of the 1990s in the doldrums and it wasn't until Nasser Hussein took over the captaincy that the green shoots of recovery started to appear, culminating in that memorable 2005 Ashes series under Vaughan. I followed part of the 1994/95 Ashes tour, spending a huge chunk of a redundancy payment - we were even worse then and amazingly several of the 1990/91 tour journeymen were still involved in the squad, 'augmented' by the recall of a 40 something (age not stone) Mike Gatting. Was a great experience despite the poor results, witnessed Shane Warne taking a hat-trick at the MCG which will be one to tell the grandchildren.
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I know I watched a good portion of that 1990/1 series yet the only thing I clearly recall of the Tour (and took place in an ODI, rather than Test) was Tufnell missing a run out from close range much to the absolute riotous amusement of the Aussies who had a field day taking the piss.

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Obviously didn't work because that's when you went out to the loo or kitchen to make a cuppa.
And ultimately it was the lack of ad revenue that did for them and the station folded in under 2 years. What a year that was though and for me personally, 84-85 was the greatest period of chart music ever.

You only have to look at NOW2 and NOW3 to see the quality of the songs going on the compilatiosn compared to the fodder the modern compilations are filled with.
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I know I watched a good portion of that 1990/1 series yet the only thing I clearly recall of the Tour (and took place in an ODI, rather than Test) was Tufnell missing a run out from close range much to the absolute riotous amusement of the Aussies who had a field day taking the piss.

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Tuffers got absolute dog's abuse on that tour, culminating I think in the infamous heckle "Tuffers, can you lend me your brain? I'm building an idiot"

I saw at first hand on the 1994/95 tour just how brutal the Aussie culture was, one-dayer England against Zimbabwe at the Gabba with a good smattering of locals in the crowd. During a lull in play a young Aussie lad, looked and sounded no more that 12, called out to the Zimbabwe player Guy Whittall who was fielding near us "Hey Whittall, can I have your autograph mate?". Whittall duly wanders over to oblige and while he's signing the same kid shouts out "Thanks mate. Your batting was shit earlier by the way."
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It feels like a blessed relief to have reason for skulking around on this thread again after yesterday's horror show.

16 February 1991 saw the first of those two (in my head) must win games to have any realistic chance of winning the league. Home to QPR, who had been enduring a bad season and had slipped into the relegation zone. Our win at Loftus Road earlier in the season had come in the middle of a dreadful run of eight straight defeats for the not so super hoops. They had conceded either two or three goals in every one of those matches, and true to form their manager Don Howe had come to the conclusion that the answer lay in defensive reinforcements, leading to the double signing just before Christmas of two lower league centre backs Andy Tillson and Darren Peacock.

I saw this as a game we should expect to win fairly comfortably. However, just as we had been fortunate to play QPR away at a time when their form had deserted them, it turned out that the reverse fixture at Selhurst Park came early in a period when they had turned the corner. It was the third of a run of 11 games unbeaten which saw them move well clear of relegation trouble and end the season in a steady mid-table position.

So a highly frustrating 0-0 draw ensued. We did all the running in the game but could not break down a resolute rear guard in which the two new boys performed superbly. Ironically of course Peacock would go on to become an integral part of the famous Kevin Keegan Newcastle side who could not defend, but he and his colleagues expertly shut the door on Wright and Bright that afternoon.

As mentioned previously the remnants of the heavy snowfall a couple of weeks previously were still visible around the edge of the pitch, and the QPR players stood out against that in their hideous bright orange kit. The game was also notable for an early appearance from Stan Collymore, who Coppell threw on on the left wing in the second half to try to help us engineer a breakthrough. It was a typical Collymore appearance for Palace, he got plenty of the ball and embarked on a few promising runs but seemed to run out of steam and clearly wasn't yet on the same wavelength as his more illustrious strikers Wright and Bright.

All in all then a somewhat draining and disappointing afternoon. However, just two days later we had the distraction of a trip down to south coast to look forward to. After two months in hibernation the ZDS Trophy was springing back into life and our 'southern quarter final' tie saw us up against our old friends from the Gallstone Ground.

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I've got a few memories of this one.

The ref got 'knocked out' with a ball straight to the head which got a big cheer. Pretty sure the ref was Brian Hill and, mindful of his piss take of a refereeing performance v Coventry 18 months previously, I was particularly vociferous in the applause, only stopping when I realised the bastard was able to get back up!

Collymore - what an exciting and pacy player! Just got the ball and ran. Sometime aimlessly, sometimes with more purpose and direction towards the goal but every time he got on the ball the crowd did get excited. On an otherwise frustrating afternoon, Collymore's appearance did create a stir.

And finally, with the last kick of the game, Palace shot and the ball sailed miles over into the Whitehorse. The ref blew for full time and both teams turned and walked towards the tunnel with no one caring for where the ball landed.

As it turned out the ball landed with a group of lads just behind me, who managed to smuggle it out, similar to a Rugby pack of forwards advancing the ball upfield. It was a good team effort and as I walked up Whitehorse Lane this gang were booting the ball about and having a right good kickabout with the ball bouncing around the traffic, off windscreens etc. I'd like to think one of them still has that ball and is played with by kids or even grandkids of one of the blokes who nicked it.

I've often wondered whose responsibility is it for the ball to be kept safe. The ref? The home team's admin staff? The ball boys? And also did anyone get into trouble for the ball going missing despite 15000 people being there?
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Really frustrating game. They did a great job of stifling us. My over riding memory of the day was Colleymore’s short debut. There was a lot of buzz about him and we were hoping he could be that maverick to unlock the QPR defence. I do recall Bright and Wright (unusually for them) being very supportive of Stan during his time on the pitch.

The ref Brian Hill falling over and needing treatment was a highlight. Mark Bright actually went over to him while he was down and pretended to kick him a few times.
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Went to this game, just remember the piled up snow and their orange kit. **** all happened, and I had to go stay at my Nans for a week after as my Mum and Dad went away to Jersey. Pretty sure my Dad taking me to this game was supposed to ease the pain of spending a week with my Nan.
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Hard to imagine that Coppell, looking at the resources available, prefered Phil Barber over Stan Collymore. Even without the benefit of hindsight, he was prone to be way too sentimental about players that had performed for him in the past and had too much of the typical British managerial trait of valuing hard work and experience over youthful talent.
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Hard to imagine that Coppell, looking at the resources available, prefered Phil Barber over Stan Collymore. Even without the benefit of hindsight, he was prone to be way too sentimental about players that had performed for him in the past and had too much of the typical British managerial trait of valuing hard work and experience over youthful talent.
To be fair, Collymore's best position (as shown by his later career) was as a centre forward. Arguably, the fact that he only really got chances on the wing was one of the reasons he didn't succeed with us.
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Read more about it here https://cyclingtheseason.wordpress.com

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Old 17-02-2021, 11:46 AM
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Rolling on to 18 February 1991 then, and a Monday night game in the ZDS Trophy 'Southern Quarter Final' against Br*ghton at their soon to be deceased rotting dump of a stadium.

This was a Monday night game so early finish at work and quick dash down to the south coast, I cadged a lift in my mate's dad's car. We turned up in good numbers, helping to swell the gate to a bumper 10,000 or so - more pennies in the coffers for our badly-off so-called rivals and the locals would have been enticed out at the prospect of giant-killing derring-do.

Rather embarrassingly the game went into extra time but there was a satisfying denouement with the old double act of Wright and Bright firing us to a 2-0 win. Some antics from Palace fans on the pitch after the goals if I recall, rubbing the locals' noses in it to good effect.

The Gulf War was drawing towards a conclusion at this point and I remember switching on the TV when back home from the match to watch the updates. There was a strange fascination in watching the allied forces' heavy artillery arcing across the night sky.
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It should be noted that Br*ghton were enjoying one of their rare good seasons. They got all the way to the play-off final where they were well beaten by Notts County. That was that from them in terms of any top flight aspirations for another 20+ years.
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